Raise the Minimum Requirement for entering Abyssea to Lv70 or 75

[Greatguardian]

If you had bothered to read my post multiple pages ago you would have seen my supposition that SE most definitely accounted for all forms of leeching when creating the Abyssea exp system. In fact, it is my belief that the entire system was designed around Leeching (though not always the strict level 30 leeching you're referring to).

But I bet you have me on ignore so whatever.

[Panthera]

What does any of that have to do with your skewed views about Abyssea?

I thought that was clear, but I'll explain it.

People who do-nothing leech or keymaster leech are Tings.
People who are actually fight, but use various "enhancements" (that aren't flee or POS hacking etc) are Irgs.
People who insist on fighting crabs in 2011 are PS2 Fanatics. It's OK to Party in Abyssea, just don't leech.
People who flee hack while to get to chests as fast as humanly possible as keymasters are jerks, violating both the rules and the spirit of the event.

[Eeek]

I thought that was clear, but I'll explain it.

People who do-nothing leech or keymaster leech are Tings.
People who are actually fight, but use various "enhancements" (that aren't flee or POS hacking etc) are Irgs.
People who insist on fighting crabs in 2011 are PS2 Fanatics. It's OK to Party in Abyssea, just don't leech.
People who flee hack while to get to chests as fast as humanly possible as keymasters are jerks, violating both the rules and the spirit of the event.

... what did I just read?

[Byrth]

7 Posts, 6 of which were Panthera's. He's taking the new Medallion system to heart.

[Rie]

Clear as mud.

[RaenRyong]

Sir, with all due respect, you don't know what "arbitrary" means, and they aren't "my" definitions of the word "cheating."

You are correct though in that "from the perspective of the game" they aren't cheating, if you say that to mean, against SE's TOS. I never said it was cheating from that perspective.

ar·bi·trar·y/ˈärbiˌtrerē/Adjective
1. Based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.

Seems pretty accurate?

You are just making up your own definitions. In fact, I shall do the same. It is cheating if you don't exp by leeching in Abyssea because you are not using SE's system of leeching to generate fast exp. Therefore, you are a cheater.

[Sayelle]

Panthera loves to be intentionally obtuse so he can avoid all the real arguments and scream about how everything in this game that doesn't fit his own skewed worldview is cheating.

[HFX7686]

Not true. It's always been possible to leech characters. I used to do it on evil weapons in sky and on colibri at the bird camp. Just barely anyone did because they thought 45-60 exp a kill was bad, while forgetting to realise that level 75 parties kill a lot faster. That's why this debate now surprises me. It's always been possible to leech but no one ever cared before.

In sky, the exp is in many ways incidental. The goal was to pop Despot, or farm something. Getting exp was a bonus. This of course does't apply to Weapon parties, where that was the best exp you could get, and that's why you were doing it.

Now, if someone went afk in a Colibri party, people have complained, and I kicked them. People cared about being leeched off of, and it is cared about now, too.

What has that got to do with anything?

I said that leeching exp has been around for a long time and that low level characters could always get exp in a higher level party. Nothing about the how or why or going AFK.

You have some very arbitrary rules about cheating and leeching and how people are supposed to play the game. It makes me believe you are not just a great troll, but the greatest troll ever.

[Tamoa]

Similarly, Summoner spells are specific to Summoner. You must beat the Primes on Summoner, which only makes sense. The other option doesn't make sense. It "cheats" the spirit of the job. As long as you beat the Prime on another job by participating in the fight, instead of just leeching on your friends, at least that's something. But why not learn Blue Magic fishing up Nebimonites? The Prime fights are more or less difficult; it's solo, and only at level 30, and only with Carby; you learn the spell for yourself. It's an accomplishment on some level. At level 75 with 5 other friends, not so much.

The mini trial avatar fights are capped at level 20. And how about me soloing the majority of the level 60+ avatar fights as 75nin/rdm - not for any of the other rewards but for the ability to summon those avatars. My smn at the time was below level 10, it's such a long time ago I can't even recall the exact level. Did I cheat then? I soloed, I didn't leech, but not as smn. I guess I did cheat huh? I'm sure SE fully intended and expected every summoner to level to at least 60 with only Carby and elemental summons before the mini trials were introduced to the game. Right? Strange how you can actually do those fights on any job then...

I hope everything you claim to be cheating and not cheating, makes sense in your head at least, because I'm quite sure it doesn't make much sense to the majority of the people you're responding to.

[Panthera]

ar·bi·trar·y/ˈärbiˌtrerē/Adjective
1. Based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system
Seems pretty accurate?.

No. You still don't know what arbitrary means. Let me give you an example.

If we're taking the operative word to be "random", then that's could be a coin-toss; no real reason, one is just as good as the other. I did not pick up a coin to decide what the word cheating means.

If we're taking the operative word to be on a "whim," impulsive or irrational thinking, I in no way suddenly decided what the word "cheating" means. I'm using pre-existing terminology.

I will be unable to continue our dialogue further, RaenRyong. I'm sorry.