Leeching in video games. Good or bad?

Where did Rosina go :(
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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

A vengeful member can be much worse than a leech. IRL, you don't prank your fellow soldiers while you're under heavy fire no matter what offensive thing they've said to you. Doing so puts everyone at a greater risk, not just the guy you hate.

Same thing goes for ingame. You might not like him, but that doesn't mean he doesn't serve a purpose for you and everyone else there. Refusing to help him is refusing to help your group. Refusing to help your group makes you a leech. Being a leech makes his claim true.

Granted, I wasn't there to see the specifics, but "He said something mean" is never a good reason to not help him when you're both part of a larger group working towards a goal.

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i didn't leave him dead in a zone, but he was just being a douche, he was spamming /p chat with general rude-speak.
but if he was dead before the nm dropped, i didn't see the importance of raising them before the nm died.

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Originally Posted by Kristal

Two things I hate about leechers:
1. Pay-for-leech shouts in Jeuno.. the sheer stupidity of people to pay for something they can get for 'free' >_<
2. Skill-up complaints on this forum by leechers... ("I leveled a job to 99 in 9 hours, but now I can't hit the broad side of a behemoth!?! Fix it, SE!!")

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who complains like that? if there are people like that, just /blist add <player's name> they aren't worth interacting with. :cool:

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

The cap is 25%, not 26%. You need 26% because most gear gives less haste than advertised.

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That's what I said.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

You're off your rocker. Show me how you can cure as often as your recast can come up without actively meleeing, without at least some regain. Reverse flourish by itself won't be enough. I won't disagree that it's not exceptionally hard to cap gear haste, but it is unacceptable to assume that every DNC will have it (and you said "even if you don't actively melee," anyway). it takes some time to get that gear however, particularly if you don't have an active LS or a few friends that are hardcore players. There is of course a difference between someone who's working toward that and someone who isn't, but you can't tell that just by looking at somebody. You don't know how long they've been playing a job.

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Not actively Meeleing could mean your useing Steps Backside (they work while turned form the Mob if you are in meele range) On a Sidenote i never said 'No Ragain' Atamacitye, Atma, /Sam, Rolls , Moonshade ..... all of which are technical possibiltys .... no tp limit, unless you are afking.

Beside Yeah i was refeereing to the Fact that haste Gear gives slightly lower values than they state to give.

Sadly I know a guy who's BST was leeched to 99 in Abyessa. He sends me a tell after playing the job for 3 months farming Dynamis never realizing what Snarl was...


...I laughed.... and died inside a little at the same time...

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Not actively Meeleing could mean your useing Steps Backside (they work while turned form the Mob if you are in meele range)

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You didn't read my posts or you'd know I already do this and took that into account. Reverse Flourish by itself is not enough to keep you going by itself if you're curing continously and not actually hitting the mob.

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He sends me a tell after playing the job for 3 months farming Dynamis never realizing what Snarl was...

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Leech to 99 or not, it shouldn't take you 3 months to figure out what your abilities do. Especially since, you know, they have help text that says what they do.

People still seem to think that being retarded is a side effect of leeching. It's like people don't remember all the retarded players back during 75 cap.

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Originally Posted by Shadowsong

The main problem I see you have with the new system is you still consider EXPing as content. Myself, my friends, my linkshell, and people I've talked to all hate EXPing. Exping is the obstacle between you and fun, it's not the fun itself. If i can help someone get a job passed the uselessness, and maybe in the future they can do the same with me, all the power to us. Anything I can do to help others get to 99 and therefore useful, I will.
Once you realize we do not find EXPing fun, you will realize why we wish to get through it as soon as possible, and dont mind helping others do the same.

TL;DR- If people found leeching to be rude, no one would let people do it. They do, so who cares?

edit: I know you are going to bring up "people not learning their jobs" so heres my retort to that: Not a single aspect of this game takes longer than 20 minutes to become a pro at. Not a single thing. An infant could play this game

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You hate expying because you and those who liked you are not RPGers, just gear whore collectors, playing a barbie game with many dresses.

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Originally Posted by Sagagemini

You hate expying because you and those who liked you are not RPGers, just gear whore collectors, playing a barbie game with many dresses.

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You say that as if you even knew what RPG means. I don't care for gear and I absolutely hate EXPing too. The role I assume isn't the one of Arcon the Crabslaughterer or He Who Made Robber Crabs Go Extinct. It's sad if that's what you call an RPG, and not just because it's wrong but mostly because your imagination seems to be limited to something that low.

Real skill isn't gained through EXP and it never was. Real skill is from defeating high tier notorious monsters or completing high ranking missions. Content that requires actual skill, not a high number. And no matter how many crabs you kill you will never attain that and you will never expand your character that way. You'll just be the same noob at a higher level. Exactly the same as everything you accuse leechers of being.