My post is not directed at you, Almagnus1, although you were quick to assume so.
More specifically, I am writing this in protest to Big_Bap, actually.

If anyone wants to get some consensus in JP thread, then open a thread with a very concise yet clear title and OP content, and rely on something more than a google translator (or just invite JP players over here instead).
JP players answering his thread was totally confused as to what points he wanted to really make and discuss.
The thread ran for less than a day, and fewer than 3 pages, and he takes this back over here as if that somehow backs up his arguments.

That tells me that he was not really interested in hearing JP players' opinions, but just wanted to make some "evidence" to back up his argument.
I don't like that at all.

In clearer words, "Don't put words into our mouth."
Again, I am not supporting either side of this argument.