Possible AST nerf

[Kabzy]

Let me ask you, why are people asking for buffs to the other classes? If they are doing perfectly well, how does anyone know there is a problem. There's your answer. Mark my words, if AST is nerfed, all 3 will be boosted next.

Most of the buffs requested, if you actually read the posts, are to abilities that are either extremely underwhelming (Plenary Indulgence, Excogitation) or inefficient to use (Fey Union). Note again that AST doesn't seem to be having these issues either. C:

[Sakei]

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I've never advocated nerfing any class at all, ever. Go back and check. You can nerf AST, but you'll then be back to boosting all 3 healers. I've only ever advocated to boosting them to be equal in power. If anyone is trolling, it's most assuredly you.

[Sakei]

Most of the buffs requested, if you actually read the posts, are to abilities that are either extremely underwhelming (Plenary Indulgence, Excogitation) or inefficient to use (Fey Union). Note again that AST doesn't seem to be having these issues either. C:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...justment-Ideas
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...r-4.0-feedback
No, not really

[Enla]

I've never advocated nerfing any class at all, ever. Go back and check. You can nerf AST, but you'll then be back to boosting all 3 healers. I've only ever advocated to boosting them to be equal in power. If anyone is trolling, it's most assuredly you.

The class was very broken at the start. It took some balancing to get them right. I'm not sure why they decided to break the others that were fine top begin with. They really need to ask themselves what they feel a healer should do. Look at the 3 and see which ones do each of those things right, and boost the others to equalize them. Then, and only then, can you consider lowering anything, but it has to happen to all 3 at once. Nerfs almost always go too far in the wrong direction.

I see where I got confused here, and I do apologize for that. Though I still very much do not agree because of power creep.

[Sakei]

I see where I got confused here, and I do apologize for that. Though I still very much do not agree because of power creep.

That I can disagree with, but I can respect your opinion on it.

[Kabzy]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...justment-Ideas
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...r-4.0-feedback
No, not really

Again, go back and read them. You'll see the majority of posts will be regarding abilities such as Excog, Dissipation, Fey union, Embrace, Plenary Indulgence, Lillies, Bane, Sacred Soil etc etc. The only reason people are asking for potency buffs are because AST currently beats SCH/WHM in most things.

Also, regardless of whether you like it or not, healer balance can only be achieved with a mixture of buffs and nerfs. Unless you actually want to see AST nerfed to the ground, but I'm sure nobody here wants that outcome.

[Sakei]

Again, go back and read them. You'll see the majority of posts will be regarding abilities such as Excog, Dissipation, Fey union, Embrace, Plenary Indulgence, Lillies, Bane, Sacred Soil etc etc. The only reason people are asking for potency buffs are because AST currently beats SCH/WHM in most things.

Also, regardless of whether you like it or not, healer balance can only be achieved with a mixture of buffs and nerfs. Unless you actually want to see AST nerfed to the ground, but I'm sure nobody here wants that outcome.

The biggest complaint I've seen is on the faerie healing and the damage the faerie takes. Neither of them back your claim, and both affect raw healing power.

[Miste]

In proper context, I was saying their healing potencies didn't need to be so high when they bring the utility they do.

They could be lower, and still bench WHMs.

Then I misunderstood the part where you mentioned the healing potency and I apologize for that then. See? That isn't so hard. Now we don't have to go in circles like when you misunderstood my post yet kept trying to make a point that had nothing to do with my original post where I tested the regens even when I clarified my post multiple times.

It looks like you're selectively ignoring things when its convenient.

Nope, just misunderstood you, but hey keep being rude. As I said above you dug yourself into a hole and you refused to just accept you misunderstood to get out of it. So you kept trying to make a point that had no meaning.

You've been passive aggressive towards me since your first reply to me in here where I tried to discuss with you civilly about SCH.

I was thinking maybe they could reduce Noct's shields down to SCH potency and give them the crit aspect and also reduce adlo's MP cost to the same as asp. benefic to make them more equal? Just an idea.

SCH doesn't have Benefic2/Cure2. I didn't think I'd have to explain this to people at this point.

to save face

can you be an adult and stop the dismissive crap

you read like 2 sentences before your 'holier-than-thou' attitude kicked in.

Who is acting "holier-than-thou"? It's amusing to me because that was basically your immediate attitude toward me and my completely cordial post trying to discuss SCH with you.

Anyway I'm done with discussing with you since it is plain it isn't a pleasant experience.

[Jijifli]

Adloquium has always been 300 potency heal and shield. Astrologian's Aspected Benefic now costs less, shields much more and is instant. Explain to me how "boosted back to their former power" even makes sense here?

Did you ignore SCH losing fairy potency, aetherflow getting the mp restore cut in half, as well as SCH Adlo's getting an MP cost increase?

I'm pretty sure SCH was pushed down from their former power now that Aetherflow doesn't even give enough for one Adlo.

[Sakei]

Did you ignore SCH losing fairy potency, aetherflow getting the mp restore cut in half, as well as SCH Adlo's getting an MP cost increase?

I'm pretty sure SCH was pushed down from their former power now that Aetherflow doesn't even give enough for one Adlo.

That was my biggest shock when I got back. I remember having a conversation with a mentor, and he said something about mp regen. My only thought was, since when do scholars have to worry about mp?