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    Concise Scholar 4.0 feedback

    Adloquium - Lower the MP cost by at least 10 - 20%
    Succor - Lower the MP cost by at least 10 - 20%, Increase healing potency to 300 (this will give us something similar to a Medica II or Cure III when used with Emergency tactics)
    Sacred Soil - Either increase the damage reduction to 25% and remove the cost of an aether stack or add a regen effect to the bubble. As it is now, the cost does not justify using it.
    Bane - Add the 15% chance for Bio and Miasma's timer to be reset back in and cap the lowering of potency at 40% for the third, forth and all remaining enemies.
    *We need an AOE just like the other 2 healers, we had Miasma II, add it back in or give us something else
    Shadow Flare - Shorten recast timer to 30 seconds
    Excogitation - Increase potency from 650 up to 800, remove the duration timer
    Dissipation - Have our Fairy return after dissipation has ended automatically. Increase potency to 30%... If Dissipation is used with a full Fairy gauge then a high potency AOE heal should go off, similar to how Stellar Detonation works for AST, the heal potency for full gauge should be 720 and go down X % for every % missing all the way down to 500 for the minimum needed for this ability to work. The radius should be 30 yalms as well.
    Eye for an Eye Trait - Can't remember what it was called, but the trait that shortened the recast timer of eye for an eye from 180 s to 120 s for SCH needs to be added back in, reason being we have an ability that is directly tied into Eye for an eye, no other healers have this ability (Deployment Tactics) Yet they are on separate cool down timers.
    Deployment Tactics - Increase Radius to 15 y , As it is now, everyone literally has to stack ontop of one another to have any chance of hitting them.
    Chain Strategem - Increase duration to 30 seconds

    As for our Fairy's

    Embrace - Return potency to 300
    Fey Illumination (Eos) - Return potency to 20 %
    Fey Union - Increase healing potency to 550 and range to 30 yalms

    Sustain - Add back in

    These suggestions are simple and to the point, they are to help bring us in line with the other 2 healers. Quite honestly, even with these changes in place we would still be in 3rd place, but not a distant 3rd. As it is now, WHM and AST are both meta, we are lasta. This is by no means comprehensive, but as an active long time Scholar, I believe they are a good start.
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    Last edited by Scox; 07-10-2017 at 11:56 AM.

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    Nice changes! This would make Scholar a viable healer again.

    While we're at it, let's throw in Fairy Glamour and Decreased Damage Taken for Faries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rxnin View Post
    While we're at it, let's throw in Fairy Glamour and Decreased Damage Taken for Faries.
    Yes and yes, I like it. The damage our fairies take these days is way to high. Increase to their defense along with giving us back Sustain would be a good start.
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    Last edited by Scox; 07-07-2017 at 12:36 AM.

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    I believe you meant Bane, not Ruin?

    Though honestly, the duration refresh chance is actually something that I'm fine with them removing. It was kinda a weird mechanic anyway (Why were you ever Bane-ing any time other than right at the start of the DoTs?), and even when it happened there was no feedback on it to show you that you got that extra power.

    I still advocate for adding Meltdown to the Lv40 quest where Leeches used to be as an AoE filler skill.
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    Shadow Flare - Shorten recast timer to 30 seconds
    Full uptime? Not gonna happen.

    Excogitation - Increase potency from 650 up to 800, remove the duration timer
    Agreed on the first part but not the infinite duration. I dont want the new Savage meta. to be a 3 minute prepull for 3 cooldowns of Aetherflow so the SCH can Excog everyone in the party before a pull.

    Embrace - Return potency to 300
    They nerfed Embrace because 2.x and 3.x SCH were pretty strong and could DPS nearly fulltime while relying on fairy for heals in dungeons.

    Fey Illumination (Eos) - Return potency to 20 %
    They gave us Largesse, a 20% healing potency buff with a shorter recast than Fey Illumination, so in return they nerfed Illumination. Having both at full power is overpowered.
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    Last edited by Jonnycbad; 07-07-2017 at 12:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scox View Post
    Yes and yes, I like it. The damage our fairies take these days if way to high. Increase to their defense along with giving us back Sustain would be a good start.
    Wait, is this real? I've never noticed the fairies take any notable damage in Lakshimi EX, Susano EX, or any of the Omega fights as she ignores almost everything. It happens sometimes in dungeons when she has bad placement but that's just learning where to stuff her in the mob pile.
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    supporting new idea now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnycbad View Post
    Agreed on the first part but not the infinite duration. I dont want the new Savage meta. to be a 3 minute prepull for 3 cooldowns of Aetherflow so the SCH can Excog everyone in the party before a pull.
    Then at least increase the duration, as it is now, especially in 8 man content with a co-healer keeping the tank above 50%, excog falls off before it is activated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnycbad View Post
    Full uptime? Not gonna happen.



    Agreed on the first part but not the infinite duration. I dont want the new Savage meta. to be a 3 minute prepull for 3 cooldowns of Aetherflow so the SCH can Excog everyone in the party before a pull.


    They nerfed Embrace because 2.x and 3.x SCH were pretty strong and could DPS nearly fulltime while relying on fairy for heals in dungeons.



    They gave us Largesse, a 20% healing potency buff with a shorter recast than Fey Illumination, so in return they nerfed Illumination. Having both at full power is overpowered.
    - Shadow Flare's duration si 15sec.

    - No one sane would do that.

    - They already nerfed DPS and reworked Cleric Stance to prevent SCH from going full DPS.

    - Largess and Fey Illumination doesn't work the same way. Fey Illumination increase healing recieved, Largess increase speels you cats (wich means physic, addlo and succor).
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    Instead of excog having no duration I think it would be more reasonable to have it go off at the end of the timer, instead of it just disappearing.

    For fairy I am actually not too bothered by the potencies, in exchange I would like to see Selene skills revamped, and Fey Union adjusted. Would also like to add a fairy mode where fairy will ONLY cast embrace when commanded to

    /prepares shield to avoid flame comments
    /shot down anyway because it wasn't a critdlo

    And, yes, I would like some more aoe. I'm okay with not having a spammable one, having miasma II back would make me quite happy to be honest :P Shadow Flare has a slow effect, and miasma II also had secondary effect, which would be nice as we can no longer have Shadow Flare 100% uptime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lildragora View Post
    I like what you mentioned but in addition..

    I would like to see Succor and Adlo be brought up in shield potency, 200% for both. Reason being, in Noctural Stance a AST gets a 15% healing buff. With that their AOE Aspected Helios is a 150 potency, 150% shield with the 15% bonus the shield should be around a 258 potency shield where the SCH would provide a 150 potency 200% shield for an effective shield potency of 300. Aspected Benefic is a 200 potency spell at 250% shield giving it an effective 575 potency shield, where SCH would have a 600 potency shield 300 at 200%. The fact that AST shields better should be addressed. Even then the MP costs should be brought down a bit considering AST spell costs and how Succor costs what a Cure III does which is a 550 potency heal.
    I think that's a great idea.
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