Chocobo Dye Experimentation

[Laveah]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2383349

Ok so i'm volunteering for Sadana's experiment. I'm only using Doman Plum

Stable: Good
Weather: Clear
Staring Color: Desert Yellow
1st 6hrs: All feeding done right at the start

1st plum: Tootsie Devours the Doman plum. Toostie's plumage will change in 6hrs
2nd plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum
3rd plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum. Tootsie is beginning to grow new feathers!
4th plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum. Tootisie is beginning to grow new feathers!
Result: Sylph Green

Stable: Good
Weather: Overcast
Starting Color: Sylph Green
2nd 6hrs: All feeding done right at start

1st plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum. Tootsie's plumage will change in 6hrs
2nd plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum.
3rd plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum.
4th plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum.
5th plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum.
6th plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum.
7th plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum.
8th plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum. Tootsie is beginning to grow new feathers. Plumage will change in 5hrs 57mins.
Result: Snow white um wow

Stable:Good
Weather:Overcast
Starting Color: Snow White
3rd 6 hrs: All feeding done right at start

1st plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum. Tootsie's plumage will change in 6hrs
2nd plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum.
3rd plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum. Tootsie is beginning to grow new feathers. Plumage will change in 5hrs 59mins.
Result: Ice Blue

Stable:Good
Weather: Fair
Starting Color: Ice Blue
4th 6hrs: All feeding done right at start

1st plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum. Tootsie's plumage will change in 6hrs. Tootsie is beginning to grow new feathers!
Result: Celeste Green

Stable: Good
Weather: Clear
Starting Color: Celeste Green
5th 6hrs: All feeding done right at start

1st plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum. Tootsie's plumage will change in 6hrs.
2nd plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum.
3rd plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum.
4th plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum.
5th plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum.
6th plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum.
7th plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum.
8th plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum.
9th plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum. Tootsie is beginning to grow new feathers. Plumage will change in 5hrs 56mins.
Result: Sky Blue

Stable: Good
Starting Color: Sky Blue
6th 6hrs: All feeding done right at start...I think I hit a limit with the Doman plums so I added other fruit but that I didn't get the grow new feather message on any of them.

Doman Plums:
1st plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum. Tootsie's plumage will change in 6hrs.
2nd plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum.
3rd plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum.
4th plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum.
5th plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum.
6th plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum.
7th plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum.
8th plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum.
9th plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum.
10th plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum.
11th plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum.
12th plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum.
13th plum: Tootsie devours the Doman plum.

Xelphatol Apple:
1st apple: Tootsie devours the Xelphatol Apple.
2nd apple: Tootsie devours the Xelphatol Apple.
3rd apple: Tootsie devours the Xelphatol Apple.
4th apple: Tootsie devours the Xelphatol Apple.
5th apple: Tootsie devours the Xelphatol Apple.

Celdales Pineapple:
1st pineapple: Tootsie devours the Cieldalaes pineapple.
2nd pineapple: Tootsie devours the Cieldalaes pineapple.
3rd pineapple: Tootsie devours the Cieldalaes pineapple.
4th pineapple: Tootsie devours the Cieldales pineapple.
5th pineapple: Tootsie devours the Cieldales pineapple.
Result: Sky blue (no change from starting color

[Narycia]

Blood Red + 1 O'Ghomoro Berries got me to Dalamud Red

[Nyalia]

My current theory on why an equal number of feedings does not result in the same plumage: There is RNG involved in whether or not a given feeding counts (or a random amount of color is affected, which is the same thing really). When you get the "New Feathers" message, you've hit a new color. So, starting from Desert Yellow, no matter how many Berries you give your choco, if you stop after the first "New Feathers" (not Plumage, New Feathers, they're different messages!), your chocobo will switch to Ui Brown. Then, from Ui Brown, feeding berries until you get the "New Feathers" message means your choco will switch to Aldgoat Brown.

However, in that first feeding session, you did not have to stop after the "New Feathers" message. If you kept feeding the choco Berries, every new feeding would result in the "New Feathers" message appearing again because the color is already queued to change. But, there is still only a random chance that the Berry will count. What this means is, after the first message, you have no idea if the snacks you feed your choco had any effect or not, but there is a chance that they did and a chance that they didn't.

So, feeding your Desert Yellow choco 3 Berries and getting the "New Feathers" message and then feeding him a fourth Berry all in one feeding session could result in him winding up Ui Brown or Aldgoat Brown. You won't know if that 4th Berry counted until you see the results. You could feed him 7 Berries all at once after the first message, and you could get a Ui Brown choco if only one worked, or Aldgoat Brown if two worked, or tons of other colors if other amounts worked.

If I'm right, then while feeding your a ton of snacks all at once can get you a cool color instantly, it's very random if you'll get what you want or not. To guarantee the color, you will have to stop after each "New Feathers" message, wait 6 hours, and then do the next food. It isn't that the other food is wasted, it's that you do not know if it counted or not.

[LyricalMelody]

>>> So, starting from Desert Yellow, no matter how many Berries you give your choco, if you stop after the first "New Feathers" (not Plumage, New Feathers, they're different messages!), your chocobo will switch to Ui Brown. Then, from Ui Brown, feeding berries until you get the "New Feathers" message means your choco will switch to Aldgoat Brown.

I'd also like to point out that there is also the chance of an HQ-like result as well. One other person here was doing the same as my husband and feeding Berries from the start, and stopping after the first "new feathers" each time.

Hubby's result Desert Yellow>UI Brown>Aldgoat Brown>Shale Brown
Other's result Desert Yellow>Cork Brown>UI Brown>Gobbiebag Brown>Aldgoat Brown>Shale Brown

Also seen Royal Blue + Apple = Abyssal Blue or Regal Purple
And Desert Yellow + Plum = Cream Yellow or Sylph Green

[Crankysorc]

I'd also like to point out that there is also the chance of an HQ-like result as well. One other person here was doing the same as my husband and feeding Berries from the start, and stopping after the first "new feathers" each time.

Hubby's result Desert Yellow>UI Brown>Aldgoat Brown>Shale Brown
Other's result Desert Yellow>Cork Brown>UI Brown>Gobbiebag Brown>Aldgoat Brown>Shale Brown

Also seen Royal Blue + Apple = Abyssal Blue or Regal Purple
And Desert Yellow + Plum = Cream Yellow or Sylph Green

I hope it's this and not randomly picking one of three per step.

[Ravenloft]

Finished my 7th stage.

Started with Dalamud Red, fed Berries (17) until one "new feathers" message popped, and that resulted in Rolanberry Red.

Not sure if I'll do berries again.. 17 Berries was starting to stretch it a bit. I was not expecting to use that many.

My Old Post with all my stages on it.

Little recap.

Nothing but Apples - Desert Yellow > Millicorn Yellow > Pumpkin Orange > Sunset Orange > Blood Red
Berries from then on - Blood Red(+40Apples) > Dalamud Red > Rolanberry Red.
------------------------------------^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
Needs confirmation without the apple use. I'll do it eventually if no one else does.

[HiliteOrin]

I pasted the first of my results in the old thread but I like the goal of this thread so I'll repost here with my updated feedings:

First Feeding:

Rank 1 Chocobo (lol...), I fed 3 Doman Plums followed by 3 Valfruit and got no "new feathers" message. Then I fed 2 more Doman Plums and got the message "[Chocobo] is beginning to grow new feathers!". I then fed 2 more Valfruit but got no additional messages. Total is 5 Doman Plums and 5 Valfruit. The resulting color is "Sylph Green". I will post again with my results after the next feeding.

Second Feeding:

Fed 3 O'ghomoro Berries and after the third I got the "new feathers" message. I then fed two more O'ghomoro Berries followed by 5 Doman Plums, and with each feeding I got the "new feathers" message every single time. I don't know if that is significant or not but it's something I noticed so I wanted to report it. I then stopped feeding and the resulting color was Celeste Green.

Third Feeding:

This time, I fed it 3 O'ghomoro Berries and got the "new feathers" message on the third berry and stopped. The resulting color was Sky Blue.

The stable condition was always "Good" for every feeding, on the off chance that that has some sort of effect.

[AttacKat]

Experiment: Xelphatol Apple

Microfeeding: The Way to Chocobo Color Dyeing

ALL NOTES BELOW ARE OUTDATE, PLEASE FOLLOW THE NEW METHOD ABOVE.

Guys,

I am working on a new theory (as of 9/5), which I will coin it as "microfeeding" ...

Here is the link to the initial idea draft, and this is the follow up. Please assist on further experiments so we can gather more results and confirm if this works.

THEORY:

• When feeding, the chocobo goes into a new color once we receive the "<chocobo> is beginning to grow new feathers!" acknowledgement.

Hypothesis

• Color is determined by available color within the RGB(8) scale
• Color is picked by first matching hue within the scale, once any hue is within range (0 ~ 40), the other two hues are used to make further selections

Objective: Trying to chart the different colors produced using just the Xelphatol Apple
2nd objective: Try and discover any pattern in RGB value changes.

Procedure:
Fruit(s) will be feed in until system displays the "growing new feather" message then wait out the 6 hrs growth period.

General Information
Using the old data from the previous thread, we may be able to derive some pattern based on the O'Ghomoro Berries

Color : R : G : B : R Δ : G Δ : B Δ : Fruit
Ul Brown 178 157 105 38 18 -25 4
Gobbiebag Brown 180 158 130 36 17 -50 6
Shale Brown 140 122 101 76 53 -21 11
Lilac Purple 124 98 98 92 77 -18 11
Goobbue Grey 130 128 125 86 47 -45 12
Sky Blue 124 171 207 92 4 -127 13
Lavender Blue 128 120 169 88 55 -89 15
Plum Purple 114 75 101 102 100 -21 18
Othard Blue 41 81 130 175 94 -50 20
Raptor Blue 84 120 188 132 55 -108 21

Attempting to crack the code ...

RGB Color Reference:

Updated RGB spreadsheet

• Ver 1.0 (08/23) Updated RGB spreadsheet with all the RGB codes in 16 increments.
• Ver 2.0 (08/24) Duplicates found due to lack of breakdown, updated RGB spreadsheet in 8 increments.

Results:

• Xelphatol Apple: Desert Yellow -> Millioncore Yellow -> Pumkin Orange -> Sunset Orange -> Blood Red

On going observation:

• 1st Prediction (Blood Red) = true
• Number of fruits seems to increase as you move further away from the standard color. (true for apple)
• Starting to see a proper RGB pattern. First thing we must do is start with a new set of RGB colors, as the current colors are faulty. The pattern I am seeing is all the RGBs are in increments of 8s, therefore, the correct color codes are 00, 07, 15, 23, 31 ... 255, there are NO in between color codes being used.
• Soot Black RGB(47:47:39 (2F2F27h)
• Need to confirm if deep green/blue fruits performs the same way. If it does, the path to Soot Black (272727h) will be feed deepen red, deepen green, deepen blue, repeat until hitting Soot Black
• Started to play around with other people's "one new feather" results, starting to see a pattern where RED is the major determining factor, and then the primary color of the fruit. All the numbers are multiple of 8s,.
• Reset back to Desert Yellow, feeding O'Ghomoro Berry, trying to achieve Royal Blue for own chocobo using 30 berries + 10 apples (per old spreadsheet).
• Berry feeding does not fit with Apples, new feather growth message happens with much less feeding as scale deepens for first five feedings with 4 or less berries each scale.

Further discussion and finding here

[Kuripari]

Experiment: Xelphatol Apple
Attempt to crack the code ...

I actually did that earlier with a couple sets of colors. I look at a linear progression, and a geometric progression, and couldn't match a curve that would be valuable. Of course at the time I was looking at individual fruits, not numbers of messages (as that information was not generally available)

However, I'm personally beginning to drift away from the idea that it is a numeric change in RGB values, and instead just a single step progression along a constructed palette of colors. The challenge I am facing, and I think we will face, is constructing the palette that they use.

[Hulan]

However, I'm personally beginning to drift away from the idea that it is a numeric change in RGB values, and instead just a single step progression along a constructed palette of colors. The challenge I am facing, and I think we will face, is constructing the palette that they use.

While I do believe that the process is not strictly based on the RGB values of desired color, there are two reasons that analyzing these types of changes must provide some sort of insight:

• First, the fruit explicitly describe themselves and changing the Red, Green, and Blue values of the feathers, in that order. The developers, or at the very least, the translators must have been thinking along those lines or they would not have phrased it in that way.
• Second, I am a computer scientist by trade, and I can tell you for sure; my ilk are lazy by nature. Math and formulas based on known factors are easier to make a computer understand than some complicated graph of relationships. It is infinitely simpler to say

  newColor = currentColor - deepenBlueValues;
  newColor = FindClosestColor(newColor)

  than to try to represent the colors like "If this color and deepenBlue then go to this other color" for every color.

I don't believe that it is as simple as "one fruit equals minus this much red", but the trends could reveal quite a bit. My observations of your data, AttacKat, is that despite the Berries causing Deepen Blue, the most consistent and predictable trend is that it lowers the red channel along a smooth(ish) linear scale. Both the Blue and Green channels are relatively unpredictable. This may have more to do with the available approximate colors than anything else. It would be interesting to see if only using Berries after shifting to a different spectrum - say predominantly blue - would have the same effects.