Thread: .3 Second Positional Update Delay (Requesting Dev Response)

Originally Posted by SummerSkye

I find it nearly impossible to believe that at MINIMUM a "community rep" hasn't even popped in here and said, "Hey guys, sorry for the delay getting to this TEN PAGE LONG thread, but I am going to try and bring this topic to the "guys upstairs" and let them know about it"...or some such drivel.

This complete lack of acknowledgement is pathetic.

Because that would be like admitting the game is broken and its a disaster. They only reply to things they willing to address or fix. They clearly have no intention to fix this and it will never be fixed because they would have to recode a lot of stuff. So far no dev gave a single answer to this issue since beta days, EVER, i even remember during beta people told them the same, they totally ignored this. Its pretty blatant clear they wont do anything about it.

Originally Posted by DarkB

Because that would be like admitting the game is broken and its a disaster. They only reply to things they willing to address or fix. They clearly have no intention to fix this and it will never be fixed because they would have to recode a lot of stuff. So far no dev gave a single answer to this issue since beta days, EVER, i even remember during beta people told them the same, they totally ignored this. Its pretty blatant clear they wont do anything about it.

I'm fairly sure they addressed this in the beta forums long before this thread was ever started. I can't remember their response, but I'm pretty sure the gist was "Deal with it. It's here to stay."

You can't expect them to readdress the same question over and again every time someone new asks it.

Originally Posted by Tiggy

I'm fairly sure they addressed this in the beta forums long before this thread was ever started. I can't remember their response, but I'm pretty sure the gist was "Deal with it. It's here to stay."

You can't expect them to readdress the same question over and again every time someone new asks it.

Can you link the response? So far as I can tell no one can, and there hasn't been one. I'd love to see it; maybe seeing peoples' responses to the response will wake SE up.

Beta forums are dead. No can do.

Originally Posted by Borfin

Can you link the response? So far as I can tell no one can, and there hasn't been one.

Even if they had said that, I don't think it's an acceptable response... This is not a latency issue persay, since it's not really dictated by ping.

And I'm sure what everyone is trying to get through is that this is an issue that needs to be addressed and fixed. Saying they just won't fix it is kind of a negligent response.

This clearly matters to a big part of the community, and affects another huge part inderectly, which are the players that get grouped with people that have high delays and fail to dodge aoe's or interrupt casts properly more often due to this.

A lot of players want this fixed, not ignored and looked over.

Originally Posted by Borfin

Can you link the response? So far as I can tell no one can, and there hasn't been one. I'd love to see it; maybe seeing peoples' responses to the response will wake SE up.

Google is your friend ( Actual Post from Yoshi in Beta-Forums ):

■Area Attacks and Latency Issues■ Producer and director Yoshi-P here. Thank you for all of your feedback on latency issues and the evasion of enemy attacks. As we continue working to address these issues in time for phase 4 and release, I'd like to inform you all of the current situation.
This post will focus on area attacks that are difficult to evade, or still connect even if you appear to have avoided it.
Damage taken when Ifrit uses Eruption.
When Ifrit used eruption in phase 3, the animation had a momentary build-up before the explosion. Because of this momentary buildup, there was a slight delay between the server's check and the explosion. This has already been corrected for phase 4 and release.
Damage taken for what looked like a near miss.
Registering Player Damage
In phase 3, when judging whether a character was standing in an attack's area of impact, your position was checked using a circle around your character to represent the space your character stands in.
Furthermore, to keep the different races balanced, the radius of this circle was the same for all characters. Because of this, even if you appeared to have barely escaped the area of effect, a portion of the circle was still within range. This created the illusion that you barely evaded attack, with varying results depending on your race. For phase 4 and release, this circle has been reduced to a single point at the center of where your character is standing to more accurately determine your position.
Enemy Progress Bars and Area of Impact
Being an online game, there will always be a minimal delay when input is received from the player and sent back after being processed by the server. In FFXIV: ARR, your position is checked by the server once every 0.3 seconds. This timing is synced and processed according to the servers to prevent lag between your input and what you see.
During phase 3, however, this syncing did not take place due to stringent server checks that took place, causing lag between what you saw on the enemy progress bar and your character's positioning. As a result, even if you appeared to be outside the area of impact when the progress bar was filled, damage was still taken.
Adjustments are being made to reduce lag as much as possible, and syncing should improve the timing between enemy cast bars, area of effect markers, and the actual attacks.
Rest assured that we're doing what we can to make sure players can safely evade attacks by watching enemy cast bars and markers for area attacks.
Players overseas were also affected by having to access the Japan data center in Version 1.0, as this further delayed the relay of data from the server. With the establishment of a regional data center and the above measures being taken to improve syncing with the servers, we will continue working to ensure an enjoyable gaming experience for all of our players. (Even with a great connection, I think there's still maybe a 0.1 second margin of error with the cast bar, so make sure to get out of the way when playing with your party. )

Then there isn't an official response on file. :P

Originally Posted by Tiggy

I'm fairly sure they addressed this in the beta forums long before this thread was ever started. I can't remember their response, but I'm pretty sure the gist was "Deal with it. It's here to stay."

You can't expect them to readdress the same question over and again every time someone new asks it.

Actually, going from beta to launch, Yoshi did a letter to the community thing stating they were addressing it (at the time) by reducing the interval between updates to .3 (down from .5). From the letter:


"Being an online game, there will always be a minimal delay when input is received from the player and sent back after being processed by the server.
In FFXIV: ARR, your position is checked by the server once every 0.3 seconds. This timing is synced and processed according to the servers to prevent lag between your input and what you see.

During phase 3, however, this syncing did not take place due to stringent server checks that took place, causing lag between what you saw on the enemy progress bar and your character's positioning. As a result, even if you appeared to be outside the area of impact when the progress bar was filled, damage was still taken.

Adjustments are being made to reduce lag as much as possible, and syncing should improve the timing between enemy cast bars, area of effect markers, and the actual attacks.

Rest assured that we're doing what we can to make sure players can safely evade attacks by watching enemy cast bars and markers for area attacks."

That last sentence is what makes me think that they do actually want the issue fixed, but no word has been given on it since launch, and the issue is obviously still present.

Note: I included phase 4 in launch as it was open to everyone and characters were not erased.

Originally Posted by SummerSkye

I find it nearly impossible to believe that at MINIMUM a "community rep" hasn't even popped in here and said, "Hey guys, sorry for the delay getting to this TEN PAGE LONG thread, but I am going to try and bring this topic to the "guys upstairs" and let them know about it"...or some such drivel.

This complete lack of acknowledgement is pathetic.

The other thread is over 150 and the only response it ever got was being closed and reopened, then mistaken for an end game discussion.

After playing this game through beta until a couple weeks ago.

I went back and play SWTOR and rift for a couple days..

After playing those two.. i can't get over how horrible this game really is due to the delays. Ill most likely sub through this month then cancel. I think after the first year all that will be left is the fanboi's.