The mark grind at 50 is the most monotonous experience I've ever had in an MMO.

This post was originally intended to be (and originally written as body text) here, but it ended up being 5 times too long.

In essence, repeatedly running a level 49 story quest at max level to grind marks (tomes) at 50 is boring, understimulating, repetitive, lacks challenge, and is all-around awful.

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Agreed, you run CM or AK, Prae if you can get a competent group...we really need 2-4 dungeons to get both kinds of tombs (equivalent amount compared to time invested) and then 2-4 more which give only lesser tombs. SE has said they are working to alleviate this bore-grind but it's in the form of a daily-dungeon....lame

Totally agree with this. I'm starting to get burn in on my TV from always having the same crap on it..lol

Asian grinders are a niche, and like any other niche it has its fans. FFXI was a grindfest like you couldn't imagine- it put Aion to shame. Changing FFXIV to be different would be a slap in the face to the fanbase that grew to love the grind so much.

And as for monotony- so far this is WAY more diverse of a grind than XI was. =D If THIS is breaking you, you're probably not going to enjoy this game very long.

Oh boo hoo I have to grind if I want to reach end game content. OP has obviously never played any FF game ever made in history. There is the story, then there is end-game content. If you think you can jump from end of story to end-game without a grind you are obviously sorely mistaken. Welcome to Final Fantasy. How many people went straight from the story to killing the weapons in FFVII (or any other FF game?). None, thats how many.

So here's your options:
1. Grind and reach end-game.
2. Pick up other jobs and take them to 50, hoping that future content releases will more befit your ADHD so that you may progress without any determination or discipline.
3. Complain on the forums and then quit.

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Originally Posted by Sinth

Oh boo hoo I have to grind if I want to reach end game content. OP has obviously never played any FF game ever made in history. There is the story, then there is end-game content. If you think you can jump from end of story to end-game without a grind you are obviously sorely mistaken. Welcome to Final Fantasy. How many people went straight from the story to killing the weapons in FFVII (or any other FF game?). None, thats how many.

So here's your options:
1. Grind and reach end-game.
2. Pick up other jobs and take them to 50, hoping that future content releases will more befit your ADHD so that you may progress without any determination or discipline.
3. Complain on the forums and then quit.

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Wow. You really are an arrogant little p***k, aren't you. I hope you're not a "shining example" of FFXIV's players, because a game filled with nothing but people like you is going to be pretty ugly. And they say WoW has a bad community.

The OP's concern is that, presently, there IS NO ENDGAME, other than grinding the same dungeon over and over again. The hope is that SE realizes that their game is being played by more than the usual grind-til-you're-blind fans they've become accustomed to, and will release actual content for endgame. Otherwise, FFXIV will become just another asian grindfest, instead of realizing its full potential.

FFXIV was designed for casuals and hardcores. There has to be a line that separates the two and the grind is that line. If you don't like it just face the facts that you are a casual player and stick with the content that you enjoy. Just because he is not geared for endgame doesn't mean that there is no endgame. His point is invalid because even if he were geared, I seriously doubt he could hold his own weight in BCoB. The end game content was purposefully designed to weed out a very large percentage of players, and by the looks of this thread, it is working as intended.

Also, cry me a river. You either have what it takes or you don't.

1. The devs said very few people will ever make it into BCoB before 2.1.
2. There is a whole tier of armor and dungeons that is missing that is the progression into BCoB (Crystal Tower).
3. Only the hard core players are doing BCoB right now, they're the only ones that love the grind and have the time to invest. The rest of us casual/mid core players are just now reaching HM Primals and doing the repeatative runs of AK/CM/Prae.
4. Now, when 2.1 gets here in November most of us Mid Core players should have already completed Titan and have Full DL and Relics. Crystal Tower will be released and that will be the End Game content we'll move into before doing BCoB... More Turns will be released in BCoB so those people already doing it can progress farther and Crystal Tower will probably be a walk for them.

CONTENT DEMON WALL APPEARS!!
IT CASTS DOOM ON ALL RUSHING CASUAL PLAYERS
DOOM WAS SUCCESSFUL!!

What a miserable wretch must one be to purposely equate a valid demand for variety in endgame max level content with asking for handouts. If this display of inability in what is a simple case of reading comprehension is all you have to offer, I wonder what skills you might otherwise lack.

It wouldn't hurt to have 2-3 alternatives to Amdapor, for example, with equal time commitment required, that would net the exact same reward. That way, you are still required to grind, but wouldn't erode a normal person's psyche with the mind-numbing boredom that is currently expected to satisfy the player base.

Also, I should like to mention that it is a grave mistake to confuse dedication/determination with a potential to endure lackluster content ad nauseam. Please don't try to further troll posters that dare utter a valid concern. It is considered bad manners and widely frowned upon. Shoo.

this is what i see when i read the post before me..
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Originally Posted by Sinth

Oh boo hoo I have to grind if I want to reach end game content. OP has obviously never played any FF game ever made in history. There is the story, then there is end-game content. If you think you can jump from end of story to end-game without a grind you are obviously sorely mistaken. Welcome to Final Fantasy. How many people went straight from the story to killing the weapons in FFVII (or any other FF game?). None, thats how many.

So here's your options:
1. Grind and reach end-game.
2. Pick up other jobs and take them to 50, hoping that future content releases will more befit your ADHD so that you may progress without any determination or discipline.
3. Complain on the forums and then quit.

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Sounds like every mmo to me.

The people in this thread are ridiculous. Hardcore gamers aren't that way because they want to play the same dungeon 50 times, they are that way because they want to be able to access the challenging content. There is no reason that in order to get to challenging content you should have to run the same 2 dungeons so many times that it kills your soul.

It really makes no sense to me. On the way to 50 you have so many different options on how you want to progress your character. Once you get to 50 you have really 2 valid options, ak and cm. There really needs to be more level 50 dungeons. It's not like cm is hard, it's as easy as any of the previous dungeons on the way to 50. As for ak, it is decently difficult, and rightly so. But there should be more than one regular dungeon for max level players looking to progress their character. Difficulty is great, monotony is not. People should stop confusing the monotony of running cm dozens (it feels like hundreds) of times with difficulty.

perhaps they should have made the 1-50 grind longer so casuals wouldn't reach cap before they implemented the training wheels for end-game.
look, we all know that having only a couple of dungeons to run is monotonous. the issue has been brought forth time and time again. the issue has been addressed by SE (see 2.1 slated). sitting here and posting more threads about it isn't solving anything and neither is my criticism of your posts. bottomline: we know it sucks, there is nothing we can do at this time, and there are already plans to offset the current problem.

The issue is that after doing the same content for the 10 or 50th to infinity time.

People that make mistakes often (noobs, new to content players or just tired) and people with bad gear (aka new players) start to annoy you extremely fast.

Then there is also the feeling that WTfreak why am I grinding this for the xxxth time and WTfreak that guy is extending my time here by (can be) an hour (or more), etc.

And if you doing primal, you sort of know that after this hour or two, you will most likely not get anything thanks to the wonderful RNG.

If you doing AK or CM, you know that you need to do it like 5~10th times more for your next gear and more after that. Just count how many gear slots you have and times it by 8 runs each of at least 35 minutes (pro group), etc.

If you grind CM for Darklight gear, it would take an estimate of 42 hours with constant pro group (not including time outside of dungeon), to get armor that is one level above your class armor. Then even longer to get AF +1 armor.

Weapons, a standard persons ifirt grind will be 30 minutes x avg. 20 times = 12 hrs (that is if you never wipe and your group is pro). That is not including Garuda lvl 70 weapons that will be harder to get.

AK to get the max 300 tokens per week x one month or more for AF+1 and relic is 8 runs of 40 minutes per instance per week (pro group again).

You see it adds up. Very soon (after hundreds of hours) you quit (or not), but not before raging at SE an any other players that delays you.

Also if you just starting, you know that the road is like crazily long that it is your gear and your inexperience that is trolling the others and you know that they are starting to get annoyed... (unless you are dense that is)

FYI: I do not know how to fix this and still keep people playing. But super long constant grinds is not it. At least for me. I rather they drop the costing and increase RNG chances (or 2 loot per primal) and cap the amount of tokens you can grind each week.

FYI2: I just started last week the grind and am a working adult. My "cannot take it" levels are slowly building. If I "no life" each day can maybe do 2 AK runs, 1 CM run max. I am seeing a long long long road ahead, in which the rest of my "no life", "still schooling" FC is moving way ahead of me. You can say, suck it up, etc, etc, etc. But realistically things like this kill your entertainment making you play less and seek other stuff slowly over time.

FYI3: Did I mention that CM is BORING like no tomorrow and AK mobs are also BORING... At least the AK bosses can make it. Maybe not the first boss though...

FYI4: I am the healer, yes heal botting is so fun :D

The worst part is that it kills people who want to level other classes.


I did CM & AK for full Darklight+ relic. It's a huge grind Each piece of accessory is 4 CM runs. The cowl/chest is 13 CM runs. The pants are 9 runs. The gloves and feet are 5 runs. The belt is 4 runs. It takes about 56 CM runs for a full kit of Darklight.

FIFTY-SIX RUNS FOR A SET OF GEAR OF THE SAME DUNGEON IS NOT ACCEPTABLE DESIGN.

If I want to suit up my scholar and monk, that's ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY EIGHT runs of CM. That is just absurd. Especially if you want to do Titan HM and need to at least have full darklight accessories if not some of the body pieces as well, especially as a healer.

The game is still only been out like 2 months guys relax

I miss the fact that games like this used to take work and determination to accomplish "end game" stuff. Of course the actual thing that bothers most is like was mentioned, people don't want to collect 300 Myth stones a week for 4.5 months to max their gear. I don't mind I am tired of reading how there is nothing to do in other games. So, they add more ways to get myth and philo stones but the myth are still capped at 300. We will still see people cry.

If you don't like it don't do it and be happy with what "your willing" to do. Others with RL stuff, its hard to play end game in any mmo and deal with RL and keep up with those with less responsibility.

I would like to see more endgame variety I think they are working on it.

For those that think running the same 2 easy dungeons over and over makes you hardcore- lol.

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The worst part is that it kills people who want to level other classes.


I did CM & AK for full Darklight+ relic. It's a huge grind Each piece of accessory is 4 CM runs. The cowl/chest is 13 CM runs. The pants are 9 runs. The gloves and feet are 5 runs. The belt is 4 runs. It takes about 56 CM runs for a full kit of Darklight.

FIFTY-SIX RUNS FOR A SET OF GEAR OF THE SAME DUNGEON IS NOT ACCEPTABLE DESIGN.

If I want to suit up my scholar and monk, that's ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY EIGHT runs of CM. That is just absurd. Especially if you want to do Titan HM and need to at least have full darklight accessories if not some of the body pieces as well, especially as a healer.

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+9 more runs per relic.
Also, how does killing CM prove more dedication than titan? I wish the currency rewards at least tiered with difficulty. If your fc is able to farm fights like titan, the rewards should be higher than farming cm. And some will point out its about equal if you have a consistent group (or al ittle faster). But... seriously? Shouldn't it be much more? Turn 1 gives the same mythic as ak? Fo' realz?

Its not that this content is *HARD.* Its that its harder. Reward shoudl scale with difficulty, no?

SE just needs more options. They should have released Hard Modes for some of the lower lvl dungeons when the game started. This would have easily provided diversity in the grind to get geared up.

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Originally Posted by CyanDvai

SE just needs more options. They should have released Hard Modes for some of the lower lvl dungeons when the game started. This would have easily provided diversity in the grind to get geared up.

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CT was supposed to release on live with the game which is meant to offer more choices and help gearing towards Coil.

I would much rather run actual dungeons than fall asleep in CM speedruns all day. :( But there's only 2 endgame dungeons and one has the bloody Demon Wall!

I know in 2.1 we are supposed to see hard mode for a few of the existing dungeons. I would like to think that all of these will drop tombstones and there will be alot more variety. I'm personally taking my time. Doing some crafting, getting close to the end of the story. When I got this game back in 2010 it for me was my replacement for FFXI. I hoping this can be my new favorite thing to do for at least the next few years.

Sry, everyone who cries about how boring running CM a dozen Times is just ignorant. You choose the easy and most efficient way to grind your Gear.Its not SE fault.
Ak/Wanderes Palace/CM and the second Story Dungeon all drops the little Tombstones.
It would be pointless and boring if every Dungeon contains the same Tombstones Reward.

Sryly...

all that to all look the same anyway
real question is, when can I dye my DL pink or bright yellow?

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

all that to all look the same anyway
real question is, when can I dye my DL pink or bright yellow?

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+1 plus ten characters

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Originally Posted by Yoohre_WildRiver

CONTENT DEMON WALL APPEARS!!
IT CASTS DOOM ON ALL RUSHING CASUAL PLAYERS
DOOM WAS SUCCESSFUL!!

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DEMON WALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!

IMO I think all they would have 2 do is fix this is add a few more end game side dungeons. another 1 or 2 would be perfect, They all could drop the same Ilvl gear but different pieces, EX: X would drop head, body, pants and boots, Y would drop wep, hands, belt and neck, and Z would drop rings, ear rings and bracers. and all would drop both types of tomes. I think that would ppl wouldn't get so burned out in doing the same 2 things over and over