stunbot lol

So running HM Ifrit as a pally is pretty much downright painful and makes me want to quit and /wrist

Done around 25 runs now and around 80% of the runs I basically sit there with auto-attack on and hit stun. Basically do not even use any abilities.

Oh and a great way to make ppl quit pretty fast is the stupid ass RNG. Seen my wep drop once and guess what it was one of the few that there was another pally in there and lost the roll.

Oh boo hoo, I have to fill a specific role in a fight. Oh boo hoo I didn't get a drop. Is this your first MMORPG?

Join a FC and stop whining. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Ifrit fight nor the rate at which weapons drop from it.

So the RNG is bad because YOUUUUU did not win the roll?MMMMKKKKAAAYYY

You given responsebility to save ur party members from death , it not allways must be fun ;)

More like annoyed that they just give you large time-sinks and large RNG to mask the lack of content.

Face-rolling the same fight over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over (which I happen to have the worst and most LOL role I have ever seen in any game). At the very least 2 items should drop not 1. But then people would actually move on after the 1st 20 times instead of the 1st 40+ on average so it would expose their lack of content I guess.

Don't think so lightly of htiitng those stuns, because from my perspective at least that's one of the more crucial parts of the fight. I've done HM Ifrit with 2 warriors rotating that one stun, while I was MT as well and its not an experiance I would like to repeat. But even though its kind of repetative its still greatly appreciated by most.

My only complaint is the RNG.
It would make better sense if the item dropped would be an item of ANY class that is currently in the fight.

There's been numerous occasions where the weapon that dropped wasn't for any class in the party, that just feels like a waste of effort for 10 phylo and 4 myth.

People need to stop thinking primal weapons are the be all end all. Garuda wep can be helpful for Titan, but other than that, the 55 GC wep is good enough until relic.

at least you aren't a warrior

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So running HM Ifrit as a pally is pretty much downright painful and makes me want to quit and /wrist

Done around 25 runs now and around 80% of the runs I basically sit there with auto-attack on and hit stun. Basically do not even use any abilities.

Oh and a great way to make ppl quit pretty fast is the stupid ass RNG. Seen my wep drop once and guess what it was one of the few that there was another pally in there and lost the roll.

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Ifrit is a time sink? lol glhf in AK.

Actually, 'boring' is about the worst thing a game could be in the history of ever. They could tweak something to fix that. Maybe give paladins that power off the gcd so they can be doing stuff other than standing there waiting to click one button. Quality of life changes matter.

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Actually, 'boring' is about the worst thing a game could be in the history of ever. They could tweak something to fix that. Maybe give paladins that power off the gcd so they can be doing stuff other than standing there waiting to click one button. Quality of life changes matter.

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This. The fact I sit there almost the entire time with just auto-attack waiting to push 1 button again and again and again and again is what ticks me off.

Ifrits attacks come in a predictively order and if you have done the fight as often as you have said you would of seen a pattern granted waiting for the 1 st one is a bit annoying but after that you can pretty much predict them for example when Ifrit starts doing his two plumes pre nail he will go like this plume eurruption plume you can almost always get a full rotation in after an explosion. Or here is another idea play the roll of debuffer while you are waiting for eurruptions keep blind up, keep str down up (assuming the other tank is a warrior) or you could throw out little heals here and there or stoneskins if you have conj leveled there are lots of things you can do to keep your self occupied/ entertained. There have been times when I had to let a fresh 50 mt Ifrit and I do the interrupts . It's a crucial part of the start for df stratagey you are there to make sure peps don't take unnessary damage. GL on your Ifrit weapon

I think it's more fail that people depend on stunning Ifrit's eruptions to beat him.

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I think it's more fail that people depend on stunning Ifrit's eruptions to beat him.

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Some of those stuns are almost nessarry such as when you are moving to stack behind him. Of course you could try to coordinate a stack with a df that they would not run up until after eurruptions but gl in getting a df pug to do that

He won't use Eruption before the Vulcan Burst at 80% or so (which is normally done right after an Incinerate - you'll see two in a row if your dps is decent).

After each Eruption, you have time for Fast Blade => Savage Blade => Rage of Halone, along with your Circle of Scorn and Spirits Within. Then the Eruption window opens and you wait.

Other fixed patterns to notice in the fight are

Pre-nail: Radiant Plume > Eruption > Radiant Plume
Post-nail: Radiant Plume > Radiant Plume > Eruption > Radiant Plume

After each Eruption (or during Radiant Plume/Incinerate casts), DPS to your heart's content. Then get ready ...

Solo tank as a PLD and just know the god damn rotation for jeeezus christ! The only problem I see here is that you keep on going into the same old party that uses two tanks strategy in an ifrit HM fight or DF. If you want to be a PLD, then play it to its full potential. If you get in the same party that uses the same mechanic, no need to complain or blame the way SE made PLD.

Ifrit's a mechanics fight. When done right, it is boring. It is also relatively quick.

Hang in there, champ. Garuda HM is much more exciting for you.

you think that's bad? try being the silencebot in coil

Wow, get over yourself.

Here's MY gear:

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/1619630/

And I STILL gladly and happily play stunbot in HM Ifrit or Chimera fights when friends ask me for help. I have nothing to gain from the fight whatsoever and I still do my job.

Doing your job right is its own reward. Welcome to being a tank.

If you don't like it, may I suggest a DPS role?

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Some of those stuns are almost nessarry such as when you are moving to stack behind him. Of course you could try to coordinate a stack with a df that they would not run up until after eurruptions but gl in getting a df pug to do that

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Not a single eruption is necessary to stun. However, the real main merit to stunning is that it allows more uninterrupted DPS but stunning for survival? Not necessary. I will give you that it's a bit of a headache to coordinate a really simple strategy to avoid the eruptions in a DF pug though.

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Actually, 'boring' is about the worst thing a game could be in the history of ever. They could tweak something to fix that. Maybe give paladins that power off the gcd so they can be doing stuff other than standing there waiting to click one button. Quality of life changes matter.

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I've got both PLD and WAR to 50. Currently doing Ifrit with PLD and stun botting.

Giving PLDs off GCD stun would be ridiculously OP! Considering warriors have a 30 second cool down with a ridiculously long animation!

This is just one fight where you need to do nothing but stun. At least after that a PLD is preferred. It's been a nightmare with WAR even though after every dungeon I get a "ohh WARs are actually pretty good tanks!"

Am I the only one who bothered looking the OP up and noticing he was in full artifact armor trying to do HM Ifrit?

YES, YOU WILL BE ASKED TO STUNBOT IFRIT IF YOUR HP IS LOW.

It's really silly to have the 4.4k HP Paladin main tank Ifrit when the other Paladin has 5k, or 5.2k, or whatever. So yes, being in crap gear makes you the designated stunbot.

If you want to main tank Ifrit and not be asked to stunbot, be the better geared Paladin in the fight (assuming the MT is another Paladin, which happens to me all the time).

Run CM, run Prae, and get your green gear from AK. THEN bother with Ifrit.

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Oh boo hoo, I have to fill a specific role in a fight. Oh boo hoo I didn't get a drop. Is this your first MMORPG?

Join a FC and stop whining. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Ifrit fight nor the rate at which weapons drop from it.

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Wrong. Doing 30 runs and getting nothing is not good game design, and it's certainly not right. They had the other half of a good system in 1.0, which was the token system. You do 30 runs, but got no drop./ That's okay. You got currency to reward you for your time spent, unlike the crap deal we have now. MMO companies always use stupid methods to inflate content, and it always ends badly.

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Wrong. Doing 30 runs and getting nothing is not good game design, and it's certainly not right. They had the other half of a good system in 1.0, which was the token system. You do 30 runs, but got no drop./ That's okay. You got currency to reward you for your time spent, unlike the crap deal we have now. MMO companies always use stupid methods to inflate content, and it always ends badly.

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You are misremembering this so bad... SO BAD.
In 1.23 you did 80 runs and got nothing, at about 200 runs you'd have perhaps 2 tokens, at best (out of 10 nescessary).

At least here you both both philosophy and mythology tomestones for defeating primals. Given those are 20~ minutes fight at best (and you can time it down to what, 10m) that's not very bad for the numbers they give.

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Am I the only one who bothered looking the OP up and noticing he was in full artifact armor trying to do HM Ifrit?

YES, YOU WILL BE ASKED TO STUNBOT IFRIT IF YOUR HP IS LOW.

It's really silly to have the 4.4k HP Paladin main tank Ifrit when the other Paladin has 5k, or 5.2k, or whatever. So yes, being in crap gear makes you the designated stunbot.

If you want to main tank Ifrit and not be asked to stunbot, be the better geared Paladin in the fight (assuming the MT is another Paladin, which happens to me all the time).

Run CM, run Prae, and get your green gear from AK. THEN bother with Ifrit.

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Since when do you need more than AF to do HM Ifrit? AF is completely fine for Ifrit for all roles, just need to make sure your weapon is updated.

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Since when do you need more than AF to do HM Ifrit? AF is completely fine for Ifrit for all roles, just need to make sure your weapon is updated.

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If you use the Duty Finder to find a HM Ifrit group odds are you will run into a tank better geared than you, in AK/DL gear, who is trying to get his weapon. I know because I ran HM Ifrit ~50 times to get my sword while I was in full DL and still used a crappy GC 50 sword.

So your odds of landing on a better tank than you if you're in full AF gear are actually pretty high.

And in the case of 2 paladin tanks, the one with the worse gear gets asked to stunbot.

Ain't rocket science.

My main complaint with being a stunbot is that it is an unrewarding mechanic of gameplay. Yes, you sit there and auto-attack, maybe throw in a couple of Circle of Scorns for some DoT's, Fracture if you have it. Yes, all you need to do is know Ifrit's attack patterns, and use Stun when he's about to use Eruption. Yes, people's "survival" are hanging on that stun, and you'll get ragged at for missing it - god bless if you have poor latency like me.

This is my first WoW-like MMO experience, and I think it's stupid that I spend so much time running dungeons, learning how to pull aggro, learning how to mark targets, trying my best to keep aggro away from all my allies.Pre-50, the dungeons were more fun - you had quirky mechanics to play against like Qarn's Teratotaur (Doom + Final Sting), Stone Vigil's bosses were all interesing as well - between the cannonball shots out of the window, and avoiding the last boss' flying ice breath attack, but since I hit 50 this weekend, I've not done much except Castrum speed runs and Ifrit HM fights. I'd say the only interesting Lv50 dungeon fight I've done is Amdapor Keep, and running AK is the sole reason I decided to farm an Ifrit Blade, because my aggro with a Lv50 GC weapon cannot keep up with FC mates who are using Relic +1 weapons.

And here's what I personally think about them - it's literally quite stupid that now people are avoiding creeps, you don't take your time to mark mobs anymore, and now that it's almost always 2 tanks per battle, everyone is now fighting to be main tank. It was a sudden change for me, and now I find that I should just be content being the off-tank, which I don't really enjoy playing. A lot of the times, I just feel like I'm following someone else, and I don't need to do anything except pull away the Reaper on the 2nd boss, pull away the Magitek Vanguard on the 3rd boss, and then pull away the Colossus on the final boss when they spawn - what I do with them then is not important. I don't think I'd ever find someone who'd be willing to sit through an hour of Castrum when it's doable in less than 30 minutes, so I will have to go with the flow and enjoy it for what it is.

I've run Ifrit HM something like 15 times over the weekend, and got my Ifrit Blade yesterday too - thankfully, in those 15 fights, I have only been asked to off-tank once. When I go in I usually ask politely if I can be the main tank, or run with FC mates. I won't shoot down people who request to sit there and stunbot, I just feel sorry for them if they were like me and spent a lot of time learning how to properly play a tank. Go ahead and undermine my efforts just because it's my first MMO experience, but it doesn't change the fact that I think it's a stupid and unrewarding role to play.

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I think it's more fail that people depend on stunning Ifrit's eruptions to beat him.

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From what I understand, stunning Eruption also builds the Limit Break bar quite fast. It allows you to hit Level 3 LB if you have a Black Mage/Summoner for when the nails appear.

No one enjoys stun duty. No one. I wouldn't mind not seeing stuns at all in an MMO. You either have one person stuck on stun duty or you have a group of people coordinating stun duty. No one's having any fun watching cast bars.

The interrupter is one of the most important positions. Nearly all wipes are because the person sucked at interrupting eruptions.

All the eruptions are in a pattern. Once you know the pattern, you're free to attack in between without fear of missing an eruption. You don't have to just auto attack. Auto attack is for people who don't know the pattern.

At the start of the battle, eruptions won't start until Ifrit does the knock back attack. He starts it around 90% life

From then on, he'll do an eruption immediately after returning from his dash. You have to be quick to interrupt this one. After about 30 seconds, he'll do his second eruption before jumping away to do his dash attack.

Once he's at 75% life, he'll say something and enter a new phase. He'll erupt shortly after returning from his dash and erupt again after the first plume.

At 50% life, he summons the nails. He erupts shortly after unleashing them and again when it's about to end. AFter the first eruption, you're able to attack the nails for a bit before needing to return for the second eruption.

For the last phase, he erupts after the second plume and doesn't erupt again until he uses the knock back attack. You can spend most of this phase attacking.

Why are people farming primals for weapons other than conmpletion?

Get gc weapon, get relic, go die in turn 5. See you in 2.1.

If you want to complain about a time sink for wepaons, complain about the fact that every relic takes 4.5-5 hours in castrum (longer than the rest of the quest combined).

After first relic, every subsequent relic should cost 0 or 300 stones (easily done by having the quenching oil cost 300 and require 3 for first relic and only 1 for later). I personally love the relic quest other than that, it is a great series of fights to teach you a class so that by the time you have relic you know enough about your class to go into coil (assuming you have the gear). Grinding cm teaches me nothing (except that tis possible to use a summoner to tank cm and go in as 1 whm / 7 dps).

Also: 1.0 was worse. Way worse. At least gc weapons are an option now (which they weren't for the bulk of 1.0 when ifrit weapons mattered).

I do think they should put in a token system though, just cus its inconsistent with other content--I'd have my titan bow if this was in.