TELLS in DUNGEONS

Okay okay, I read Yoshi said that tells to people in instances is possible and is actually already implemented, but that they "masked" this function out by disabling them to avoid people harrasing each other in dungeons.

Thats good and all.

But why. WHY. Can't we send tells to people who are IN the dungeons, when we are OUTSIDE? At the very least people in our friend list.

I can't ask my friends to events or ask them to join in runs they actually need whenever they are inside an instance. And that's most of the time.

So basically if you aren't in the same FC or LS as them, it's incredibly hard to find enough friends free at the same time.

THIS MAKES NO SENSE. PLEASE, for the love of GOD, fix this. NOW. Not in a few months when you realize how bad this design is, NOW.

I'm confused, why is there a scenario that you have people on your friends list but can't be in the same LS/FC as them?

Because sometimes you want to send your friend a private message without the entire fc knowing what it is.

Maybe inviting someone to something while they are in dungeon will lead to them leaving and screwing the party over?

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Originally Posted by Codek

I'm confused, why is there a scenario that you have people on your friends list but can't be in the same LS/FC as them?

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Have you played with no strangers that you liked? Ever? Most of these people are already in a fc, and shoving them all into a ls would be impossible as the number of shells a person can have is limited to 8.

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Originally Posted by coffeepotz

Maybe inviting someone to something while they are in dungeon will lead to them leaving and screwing the party over?

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Letting people know not to go another round doesn't mean asking them to ditch. And if someone is going to ditch, he will do it regardless. There is already a rep system in place.

You can get around this by creating an LS for people you want to send tells to in dungeons... Unlike FCs you can hold multiple LS pearls. And you can have an LS for a small group

So if you like someone so much that you get annoyed everytime you get that annoying message when they enter instance in mid sentence, then just give them their own personal LS pearl.

That sounds like an awful lot of work to just send someone a tell. I don't get this no tell in dungeon rule. Seems really silly and unnecessary. If there are any tells that they should work on blocking it's tells from gil spammers. I love how legit tells from players are blocked but gil sellers have free reign to terrorize the server with never-ending spam tells.

Your definition of "work" is different from mine.

Saw the thread title, came in to post this - PS3 limitations.

The no tells thing needs to go. It's so silly.

This is an MMO, it's my business if i want to be social or not.

um, invite ppl on your FL to a LS, problem solved...

and if they cant join your LS, then they got so many friends they dont have time for you anyway...

You people need to stop defending bad design. There is no reason for someone to not be able to whisper a friend in a dungeon, stop acting like this is OK.

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Originally Posted by Aicasia

You people need to stop defending bad design. There is no reason for someone to not be able to whisper a friend in a dungeon, stop acting like this is OK.

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You needs some meds...

No one is defending this bad design. It's simply a matter of using the tools that were given as a work around while far more important matters are being worked on.

We have access to 8 (I think) Link shells which works just like have 8 different friends lists in itself. From what I can tell, Dev's aren't going to give two seconds to even consider this as an issue right now.

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Originally Posted by Codek

You needs some meds...

No one is defending this bad design. It's simply a matter of using the tools that were given as a work around while far more important matters are being worked on.

We have access to 8 (I think) Link shells which works just like have 8 different friends lists in itself. From what I can tell, Dev's aren't going to give two seconds to even consider this as an issue right now.

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There are people in this thread and others legitimately defending this. Are you seriously trying to tell me that you can't see this happening?

Before the game released I was always against this restriction. Although now that the RMT bots have flooded the servers I welcome the time spent in instances that I can't be constantly bombarded by spam tells.

I def agree its kinda retarded that i cant send a tell or receive a tell because im in a dungeon. Please fix soon SE. Also fix the botters running around making my hard work worth NOTHING!!!

Lol those suggesting to make an LS for each person you want to whisper (whisper function used so only one person can see the reply so no stacking people in the same LS), unless you're only going to have 8 people to whisper ever considering you don't join another social LS you're just being oblivius to everything and anything.

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Originally Posted by Aicasia

There are people in this thread and others legitimately defending this. Are you seriously trying to tell me that you can't see this happening?

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I see one person attempt at it with a weak case (something you roll your eyes at) and a joke about a bright side to the issue.

The sad part is that the actual merit to the design (as stated by Yoshi) has only been mentioned by the OP. It's a valid point (I don't believe developers should handle it) and I'm sure people have defended that point but the system its self is generally without question, a band-aid.

I've never seen anyone agree that not being able to communicate with friends while in a dungeon as a good idea.

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Originally Posted by Aicasia

There are people in this thread and others legitimately defending this. Are you seriously trying to tell me that you can't see this happening?

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I don't think people are "defending" it so much as stating they don't see a real problem. e.g., there are lots of more important things to change in the game than this.

This really isn't some kind of end of the world situation we have here guys.

"That other game" lets you talk to people on your friends list when they aren't even playing the same game as you.

Not being able to talk to someone simply because they (or yourself) are in a dungeon is absolutely horrible game design.

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Originally Posted by Majidah

But why. WHY. Can't we send tells to people who are IN the dungeons, when we are OUTSIDE? .

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I for one do not want RMT bothering me during a run

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Originally Posted by rubina

I for one do not want RMT bothering me during a run

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So you're all for inconveniencing the vast majority of players simply because you can't get over the possibility of a couple of whispers? Ok then.

Simple fix. Add a "do not disturb" button on the chat window that blocks tells. Not only does it give players the *choice* to not be disturbed with tells in a dungeon run but it also allows you to block tells all the time if you want to block RMT tells.

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Originally Posted by Aramyth

The no tells thing needs to go. It's so silly.

This is an MMO, it's my business if i want to be social or not.

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It's also not your game, so you're kind of on the losing end of that, regardless of what you might think. I'm indifferent on the matter. It, in no way, ruins the game experience for me. Have there been times when I wanted to send a /tell to people in dungeons? Sure. Did it suddenly ruin my day? I don't take myself (or this game) in that regard that seriously, so no.

^^
lmao you're signature.

About the topic.. I really don't care about the tells in dungeons. I have my boyfriend in a linkshell and my brother in another one. And at least this way I don't have other people bothering me in a dungeon, I already get distracted enough with FC chat haha

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

So you're all for inconveniencing the vast majority of players simply because you can't get over the possibility of a couple of whispers? Ok then.

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Yes and besides that's what a voice chat server is for. Technology is amazing, you and your FC friends might want to test out a chat server.

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Originally Posted by Aramyth

The no tells thing needs to go. It's so silly.

This is an MMO, it's my business if i want to be social or not.

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Couldn't agree more. The restriction is absurd.

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

So you're all for inconveniencing the vast majority of players simply because you can't get over the possibility of a couple of whispers? Ok then.

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It's that same ridiculous "logic" that got us the inability to mail things to our alts. Apparently Squee wants to apply "solutions" for problems that are simply not problems at all.

As one of the strangers on Maji's friends list but not in the same LS or FC, I agree with this post. ._.

I agree OP. Ever since I found out about this (sometime in the beta) I have been against SE's stance on this. This is completely archaic game design here.... for an MMO to have no ability to whisper someone who is in a dungeon is just pure stupidity. If someone really wants to troll someone they grouped with all they have to do is make a character on that server and harass them on their own server. Basically taking out whispers to players in dungeons just because people troll on the internet is a bad reason.

While we are on this subject, we should be able to check our FC and LS stuff while in a dungeon as well.

I've been against this ever since Beta. People have worthlessly defended it by saying you should be focusing in dungeons, or they want to avoid griefing, or whathaveyou. So far they've been wrong. Dungeons are easy and constantly get speedran, griefing is still present and it's common for players to be singled out by an entire group.

The Dev Team's "plan" (which I believe is just a front to hide they haven't figured out how) doesn't work, and hasn't worked one bit. If anything it made it worse.

I also got a ton of friends on my list that I would love to talk to while farming dungeons, and as an FC leader I've also missed a good amount of tells who wanted to get into my FC.

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Originally Posted by rubina

Yes and besides that's what a voice chat server is for. Technology is amazing, you and your FC friends might want to test out a chat server.

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Wow what a great idea! Thank you very much for your advice. Knowing that I can just use voice chat, I have no need to ever want SE to fix their terrible chat system.

Hear that guys?! The terrible chat system can stay terrible, because modern technology means we can all just use voice chat!

Occasionally I am in a DF party (or even a ls party) and someone is playing a job they are not so used to. I would like to send them a /tell advising to do something different (like for example remind WHM to turn cleric stance off when heals are needed or ask SCH to put the pixie next to the tank when himself have to stay away etc.) and when I say this in the party chat, people often take it that I am slacking off their skills, when in fact I am just trying to help...
The /tells definately need to be brought to the Duties, I will not have 20 linkshells just so I can talk with my friends privately.

Have to agree this is my biggest problem i have with this game atm. The no tells, cant look at FC/LS/Friends list has to go. This is just silly to limit us on who and when we can chat with people in a an mmo. Its almost as silly as taking out the journal tracker option.

As someone who already is in an FC + 8 linkshells I have to say that I agree.. I have about 30-40 players in my friends list that are not in any of my LS'. I definitely want this

Have anyone stop and think the reason why they don't allow /tell in Dungeon? I's to prevent harassment of another player. Like if a DPS, Tank, Healer is doing a bad job or some Douche Bag don't like how the other player for whatever reason, or he is getting all the loot. He would /tell and harass that person and no one will know. I like it like this. If you have something bad to say, tell it in party and everyone can see the message. It encourage people if you don't have something nice to say, then don't say it at all. It doesn't completely stop it, but it make it a little better. I have a Linkshell for Friends anyway, so I'm not bother by it and it get rid of the gold spammer /tell too.

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Originally Posted by Zaiken

Have anyone stop and think the reason why they don't allow /tell in Dungeon? I's to prevent harassment of another player. Like if a DPS, Tank, Healer is doing a bad job or some Douche Bag don't like how the other player for whatever reason, or he is getting all the loot. He would /tell and harass that person and no one will know. I like it like this. If you have something bad to say, tell it in party and everyone can see the message. It encourage people if you don't have something nice to say, then don't say it at all. It doesn't completely stop it, but it make it a little better. I have a Linkshell for Friends anyway, so I'm not bother by it and it get rid of the gold spammer /tell too.

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They're still going to get harassed if the harasser wants it bad enough. Grow a pair. This is an MMO and taking out the social aspect of it is downright stupid. Besides, if someone does harass you via tell, you have the option to blacklist.

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Originally Posted by Majidah

THIS MAKES NO SENSE. PLEASE, for the love of GOD, fix this. NOW. Not in a few months when you realize how bad this design is, NOW.

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I realized this by level 30 and saw how HORRIBLE of a system it was by then too. Constantly wanted to ask friends I met if they wanted to run this dungeon with me but they were in one or a solo story mission so I couldn't. Eventually I just started to invite everyone I made friends with to my LS, but that's still a stupid solution to a even stupider problem.

Fix how anti-social this game is, and fix it NOW. A MMO, the genre born and well known for it's social interaction shouldn't go out of it's way to make things as anti-social as possible.

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Originally Posted by Zaiken

Have anyone stop and think the reason why they don't allow /tell in Dungeon? I's to prevent harassment of another player.

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And it doesn't work. People still get harassed, just openly now. Again, I've been in parties where people have been singled out by the majority of the party.

I have said this when Yoshida said it, and I will say it again. This is what a Blacklist is for. Use it. Love it. Enjoy it.

If they are on your friend list, have you ever thought of using the moogle mail service? Thy might notice it or they might not, but it's an option you have though still not really a solution.

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Originally Posted by Wilksha

If they are on your friend list, have you ever thought of using the moogle mail service? Thy might notice it or they might not, but it's an option you have though still not really a solution.

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This is in no way relevant to the discussion, as you can't use Moogle Mail in a dungeon.