hi guys, using program like battleping, wtfast, etc etc reduce the lag/lagspike to 0 if you set them correctly
this program fix the isp/ffxiv-Server problems
i know the 40% of the community is using these programs
so i got 3 question:
are these programs legit or bannable?
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why i must pay another subscription for fix/play a game broken?
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for that reason i must pay the ffxiv subscription if they are unable to fix these problems?what is used for my money
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09-25-2013, 12:25 AMSibeUsing proxy game program reduce the lag to 0, is it legit or not?
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09-25-2013, 12:38 AMValsh
It's legit, you can connect to the game through whatever IP you want.
Can't speak to the other stuff though. -
09-25-2013, 12:39 AMRuethryl
SE can't force ISPs to fix their own crap unfortunately.. and that is where the problem lies. Best they can do is "encourage" ISPs that are having trouble to whitelist SE's servers. That is who you should be directing your complaints at.
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09-25-2013, 12:42 AMRaezaiel
The internet can suck sometimes. Nothing SE can do.
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09-25-2013, 12:47 AMFuriousYou cannot get a ping of zero, ever. There is an absolute minimum theoretical ping between any point from A to B based on distance the signal has to travel, and in practice, that ping is greatly increased by overheads (each node from you to the server increases the ping by just a little bit).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sibe
How you route the connection to the server is entirely up to you. This would be like asking "is it illegal to choose an internet provider that gives you a better ping"?Quote:
are these programs legit or bannable?
Square Enix has very little control over how your connection routes to their servers. The best they can do is place servers in more locations, but that has a significant cost attached to it. There are multiple aspects of "lag" issues, and the ping from you to them is only one, but it is the one that is most out of their control - they can't choose where you live, how you connect to the internet, how your ISP routes to their servers, etc. The proxy services provide a specific fix to a problem that only some people have - they source routes that are as fast as possible between a and b. If SE were to do this, they would have to charge a lot more for their subscription (they don't have as much bulk traffic as a service that offers proxies to multiple games).Quote:
why i must pay another subscription for fix/play a game broken?
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Development and running of the game as it stands, and fixing of the network issues that they DO have control over?Quote:
for that reason i must pay the ffxiv subscription if they are unable to fix these problems?what is used for my money
It's like blaming the car manufacturer for your tyre getting damaged when you run over a pot-hole. Sure, there are some elements of that damage that may be related to the quality of the tyre manufacture, but most of the fault lies in the fact that the road has potholes, and you chose to drive down that street. Had you used a GPS that could have found a good route for you, you might not have run over that pothole. -
09-25-2013, 12:50 AMyukikaze_yanagibecause the game isn't broken and you can play well without. else, you can just don't pay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sibe
Because internet isn't magic, and battleping isn't a wizard. He just force a route with less passages, and his performance wary based on the game and location. Depending on these two the results can varyQuote:
for that reason i must pay the ffxiv subscription if they are unable to fix these problems?what is used for my money
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09-25-2013, 12:53 AMEdenholtThen it's the ISP's fault? Maybe you should check this thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...%28Petition%29Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruethryl
What I consider "crap" is the fact that SE placed the EU servers in CANADA. Sorry, I can't blame on my ISp for that... -
09-25-2013, 12:57 AMispanoYes, in many cases it IS the ISPs fault. I get around 160ms to the NA/EU servers. I'm in Colorado. My ISP has crap for peering so to get to the servers I get routed all the way to California, then back up and over to Montreal. This is not something the ISP will change for you either, because they do it to save themselves money. Many people won't see this issue, and many will. Before someone says "get another ISP" you don't always have that choice, and even if you do, the choice isn't really a choice. The only other decent provider here is wireless, and that is horrid to play games on, a light rain and your connection dies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edenholt
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09-25-2013, 01:08 AMDrakkan
There's no such thing as a 0 ping short of Sitting in front of and playing directly connected to the server itself (and even that still wouldnt really be no latency) With that said, the programs to reroute your hops are not harming SE's servers either. Worst case scenario in these cases is that they ban the IP's from being able to connect, this is usually only ever done with certain games in the cases of say tons of BR's connecting to an american server that would normally be blocked by BR IP's if they have a BR server
Being that FFXIV is an international game they likely don't care. -
09-25-2013, 01:12 AMKingZeusand how do you know this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sibe
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09-25-2013, 01:16 AMSilverwalkIt does not reduce the lag to 0, the 0 you see is the time from ffxiv to the vpn client on your machine, which is 0. From the vpn client to the ffxiv server's is much harder to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sibe
It is like seeing the time from your house to the interstate on-ramp, what you don't see is the travel time on the interstate.
And it isn't bannable because it is not modifying ffxiv in any way. It is a VPN connection, Windows has it's own VPN software built-in as well. VPN connections create a communication channel from your computer to a VPN server through the internet.
Why do you need it? Well it seems that ffxiv was designed and tested in Japan with connections of 30ms or less. It will work with connections that have 160ms or more ping but most end-game encounters become pretty much unplayable unless you memorize them and effectively play with your eyes closed :cool:
Yes I agree. Telling everyone to get a better ISP is not always possible. By designing the game the way they have SE has set a very high system requirement for your internet connection, basically you want around 50ms ping time. That's impossible for me to get.Quote:
Originally Posted by ispano
It's like setting the minimum PC requirements as a Core i7 3.5GHz, 16GB DDR3 1600 RAM, SSD and Radeon 7970/GeForce GTX 770. They could have designed their game for that hardware or better but not a lot of people will be able to play it then. By designing and testing the game with 30ms ping they have made it a lot less playable for people who don't have that kind of connection and can't get it. -
09-25-2013, 05:45 AMHuginnthe very fact that this works shows you that the problem is NOT on SE's end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sibe
If you would like to pay a service company that has set up a proxy server to connect you right to your destination, you can. They are in no way altering SE's packets to make them faster, nor are they rubbing cheetah blood on their servers.