OFFICIAL: For POLL for Tombstone of Mythologies.

http://poll.pollcode.com/41527

Add your comments let get some attention to this.

I think they are fine as they are except we need more dungeons to run for them (which it sounds like we will in 2.1) the cap can always be increased later when more content is released.

The cap is completely fine. You are not ment to get a full set of af+1 gear - it's ment to fill in the pieces you couldn't get form Coil. The cap will probably be removed in the future when we get a new set of "best" gear. That set will get it's own tokens with their own cap almost certainly.

It's fine. Rare items should be hard to be obtained. I don't want to see 50 people in the town wearing the same clothes as me.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

It's fine. Rare items should be hard to be obtained. I don't want to see 50 people in the town wearing the same clothes as me.

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BUT - Its not hard to obtain though think about it the logic is flawed and stupid. NOT ur logic the general logic if it

1) its not hard
2) its there to stop players from completing content and getting even more bore
3) players saying cap is fine are saying it because they cannot even complete the current cap and do not want to get outgeare
4) the logic is flawed because the players that are always ahead will continue to always be ahead if they continue at their pace they will always cap and be elite because that is their style of playing.

Arbitrary caps suck. Make the items harder to get if you want to stretch the content out more, but don't tell people how much they can achieve in a week in an MMO they're paying to play.

Looks like this topic backfired based on the results. Personally, I do not like the system, as I am permanently 3 weeks behind everyone else. Would be fine by me if the allowed maximum amount was equal among all players...

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Originally Posted by Sidious

Arbitrary caps suck. Make the items harder to get if you want to stretch the content out more, but don't tell people how much they can achieve in a week in an MMO they're paying to play.

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you can get gear with pretty much the same stats in Coil, you know that right? theres 2 ways of getting the "best" gear atm, theyre not telling how much you can achieve, theyre just giving you more options of getting gear.

Cap is fine. Helps mitigate the gaps between casual/moderate players and the 24/7 players. Like rested exp it promotes healthier gaming habbits.

I think that just some of the "unused" cap tomes should carry on to next weeks and accumulate. Like a reserve supply.

25 myth tomes per week since launch that service account was inactive (or character non-existant), to reduce the feel of being "permanently behind".
Up to 50 tomes per week of service account being active, so that some of the unused cap wont be wasted.

Pretty sure it's there to prolong the subscriptions.

Voted remove cap, If I want to grind out Myth all day every day thats my business.

Hard = A challenge (Like titan HM)
grind = Current.

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Originally Posted by MochaLatte

Pretty sure it's there to prolong the subscriptions.

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Only reason pretty much.

Yes this is gonna be nitpicky, but generally OFFICIAL refers to something coming straight from SE.

You sir, are misleading.

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Originally Posted by BeePee

Yes this is gonna be nitpicky, but generally OFFICIAL refers to something coming straight from SE.

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Came here to say just this.

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Originally Posted by Kelg

Looks like this topic backfired based on the results. Personally, I do not like the system, as I am permanently 3 weeks behind everyone else. Would be fine by me if the allowed maximum amount was equal among all players...

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I dunno, the way I look at it, more than half the people that voted are against the current cap. They just have differing opinions on how they'd like to see it changed.

I voted for cap increase, but I wouldn't mind seeing it removed entirely either. Lowering costs I'm not too fond of because if it's not going to be hard to obtain it should at least be a grind to get some of the best gear in the game (don't shoot me).

Bumping to keep gathering information on the poll.

Things to consider:

most MMORPG implement caps as a way to normalize the maximum progression curve from patch A to patch B (and if it's not a cap, it's a raid reset period, or a skill progression time-sink), so that the 1%ers (aka "hardcore players", the 1% of a game's population that actually downs the hardest content before the next patch/nerf) are "kept in check" in terms of gaping with the rest of the community. In my observation, it's pretty much the only realistic method to:
- give developers enough time to make new content;
- make sure hardcore players are not forced to play 168h/week to get max progression done in a game on a regular basis.

So far in MMORPG, I haven't seen any decent way around it. Should there be no cap, you'd see some FC's asking for 12h+ of playtime everyday, you'd see people getting obnoxiously burned, much more than with a cap in place. A cap is like a "reasonable objective" to give to players. No cap means that it only takes a few days/weeks before everything is downed and players eventually leave due to the "nothing left to do" situation (as a publisher you want them there every week, not rush then leave because it's that much harder to get them to come back...), not even counting the disastrous impact it can have on people's lives: early MMORPG did have that issue, and it did give them a bad rep (rightfully so, on that matter), in addition to inducing a very real stress on players who just "wanted to keep up with the most advanced crowd".

Besides maintaining a reasonable gap between hardcores and casuals, a cap also helps sanity and cohesion within an online community: when hardcores are done capping, they have time to enjoy other things (IG or IRL...), or help others, etc. Between the moment you cap until the next week begins, you actually have time to unwind a little bit, if you're progression-oriented. The challenge then becomes to "cap every week", and doing that within a tight IRL schedule is an achievement in itself; the most successful online games usually implement such a cap system pretty well, with decent objectives (not too little, not too much).

So the concept of a cap itself is pretty much a no-brainer, at least in my humble experience. What's debatable is the actual value of the cap itself. As it stands, for those who don't down bosses in Coil, 8 Amdapor runs will net you 4-5 hours of playtime every week, which admittedly isn't much, but still a sizable minimum that hardcore players will self-impose, it should not be taken lightly. If you do Coil on a regular basis, you may add 5-20 hours on top of that, as in most MMO raiding, and overall you've got a pretty classic standard in this FF XIV. Maybe 500 mythologies a week would be fine, but then we run into the risk of burning through content before the next patch arrives, and that may not be good for the game in the long run.

tomestones of mythologies from ilv60 content for ilv90 gear, cap should be lowered to maybe 200 a week if you ask me, or keep the 300cap but drop AK to 10 for final boss and add an extra 20 philosophy.

The main place you get tomestones of mythology is COIL, you know the ilv90 raid, the one where you get these as a way to supplement ensure progress with loot when compensating for some peoples bad luck with RNG drops and rolls.

I'd just like allowances to replace caps.

When a new character earns the first ever tomestone of mythology, the character gets an allowance of 300. Whenever tomestones of mythology are obtained, it is deducted off the allowance. You cannot earn more once the allowance reaches zero.

The allowance will grow every 12 hours or at whatever fixed time it is, to the maximum allowance of 1200. So for a player with say 10 days leave per month from work but has no access to a computer for the rest of the month, he could farm his heart out in that 10 days and still stay abreast other players who play every weekend.

I think the Leve Allowance system should simply replace all forms of daily/weekly cap. Including the GC provisions. Let people choose when they play and for how long they play. Caps make sure nobody gets too far ahead, while at the same time make sure a lot of people will slowly fall behind permanently. I think allowances are better.

Imo, the cap at 300 is a bit low, I think it should be closer to 500. We already have this problem....

/l1 Anyone for AK?
"No thnx I'm capped for the week"
"I'm capped as well"
"Ditto on cap"
"I'll go" a dps
"I'll go as well" another dps
"I need it" also a dps

Oh and all those DPS are bards.

They should also make lower dungeons drop Myth/Philo for tanks, imo every dungeon should drop myth philo that is has a multiplier based on dungeon level,

Level 15- 5 philo 1 myth
Level 20- 10 philo 10 myth
Level 30 - 20 philo 20 myth
Level 40 - 40 philo 30 myth
Level 50 - 80 philo 40 myth

Then we wouldn't mind running low level dungeons to help people out. As it stands now if we run a low level dungeon in a limited play window we lose time on hitting the cap. As such we often say "sorry can't run satasha right now, I need 5 AK runs to cap before it resets, didn't get a chance this week".

In fact I haven't run anything other than AK, CM, or HM trials in more than 3 weeks.

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Originally Posted by Ryios

They should also make lower dungeons drop Myth/Philo for tanks, imo every dungeon should drop myth philo that is has a multiplier based on dungeon level,

Level 15- 5 philo 1 myth
Level 20- 10 philo 10 myth
Level 30 - 20 philo 20 myth
Level 40 - 40 philo 30 myth
Level 50 - 80 philo 40 myth

Then we wouldn't mind running low level dungeons to help people out. As it stands now if we run a low level dungeon in a limited play window we lose time on hitting the cap. As such we often say "sorry can't run satasha right now, I need 5 AK runs to cap before it resets, didn't get a chance this week".

In fact I haven't run anything other than AK, CM, or HM trials in more than 3 weeks.

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I can stand behind this idea. Helping a buddy out is great and makes everyone feel good, but throw in a little incentive as such and it'd be pretty awesome, I'd say.

Also, my idea might help relieve a little stress on AK, reserving instance is the hardest encounter in this game atm...

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Originally Posted by Ryios

Level 15- 5 philo 1 myth
Level 20- 10 philo 10 myth
Level 30 - 20 philo 20 myth
Level 40 - 40 philo 30 myth
Level 50 - 80 philo 40 myth

Then we wouldn't mind running low level dungeons to help people out. As it stands now if we run a low level dungeon in a limited play window we lose time on hitting the cap. As such we often say "sorry can't run satasha right now, I need 5 AK runs to cap before it resets, didn't get a chance this week".

In fact I haven't run anything other than AK, CM, or HM trials in more than 3 weeks.

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Wait, so you can seriously say that you should be able to farm ilv90 gear, best in slot currently, doing the joke easy starting dungeons? While it would take longer it would be a total joke...


SE made one mistake, and it was letting mythology drop in AK with the next few tiers of progression (ilv70 dung and ilv80 raid) missing. We are not ment to grind AK to get ilv90 gear and due to missing levels that everyone is stuck mainly doing AK and see this great ilv90 gear thats not needed for anything but coil groups currently, but everyone wants their hand out best in slot equipment. I hope SE make some adjustments in the correct way to make people work for gear or this game will start having actual issues..

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Originally Posted by Ryios

Also, my idea might help relieve a little stress on AK, reserving instance is the hardest encounter in this game atm...

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adding in the next 4 options (2 hardmode dungs and the prerequ dung for tower and the tower) at 2.1 will 100% fix this issue, and this past weekend I never waited for then 5min for an instance so the need to fix AK queue is already almost fixed

I like the cap, some people have lives and cant just sit at home farming tomestones all day so people can atleast stay on par with the rusher elitists.

I wait ever night for 30mins to 1.5 hours to get into ak, with a full group from my FC, so mostly fixed is completely false. Just last night in fact we had a 28 min reserving instance que.

only thing that sucks is having to run AK 8 times a week, I know its only once a day and twice on one day but damn does that place get boring...

One time on the DF, it threw me in an instance that was completely cleared, no other players in it, i was solo. others started showing up too just as confused as me. That could be part of the reason theres issues with the instance server and AK.

I just waited 45 min as a tank in JP server during my usual play time. (sadly it hit Jp prime time). The reserve slot time take too long. They don't provide enough instance space for this dungeon yet if they expect people to do it repeatly until 2.1.

Another problem is that you can't add/remove member in pt during duty finder, can't summon chocobo, make the choice of stuffs to do is very limited, when you take half of your daily time waiting on the queue.

2.1 may fix this, but it is too late. If people gonna wait for that, they would miss 300 x 8 = 2400 mythology tome. A lot of people don't want to feel behind, but they shouldn't be forced to wait so long to start content either.

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