Luminary VS Craft Quest 50 tools.

I'm not really sure where to post this and unsure if it has been discussed before but here goes:

Why is the Luminary tool that I slaved over in 1.0 equal in value (stats) to a craft quest reward that is practically given to you if you complete r50 quests? I don't really like that they are equal in stats and I was hoping that it would have a slightly elevated numbers because of the time put in to grind out for luminary.

If you oppose or agree, I'm curious to hear how others feel about this.

Thanks for listening.

EDIT: Maybe I should refine my post; Are there more plans for Luminary?

You can have your higher stats luminary as soon as I get the credit for the tens of thousands of synths I did that SE didn't bother to track before luminaries.

Probably because they are essentially different games. They wanted to bring over items from the previous version, to help legacy members in preventing them needing to regear for a bit, but it needs to be kept in-line with the current version of the game (essentially, the most important of the two).

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

Probably because they are essentially different games. They wanted to bring over items from the previous version, to help legacy members in preventing them needing to regear for a bit, but it needs to be kept in-line with the current version of the game (essentially, the most important of the two).

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But can't you still attain luminary through achievements (which are pretty much the same type of grindiness)?

Perhaps the Luminary will be upgrade able (either +1 or perhaps when lvl cap is increased) but the blueminary (that's what my FC is calling the ''AF'' tools) is a static tool.

It's more than likely the other way around, Niqote.
As with every other achievement item, they are simply, merely, for show.

Of course, they're not useless, but that is all they are not, they are completely for show only to display that you have, in fact, completed that achievement. That they were gracious enough to make the achievement reward actually useable rather than how the White Ravens ended up as is already a thing to be thankful for. I know I wouldn't have made the Luminary tools achievement items to begin with.

I kinda agree with you. But, I'm coming to see the Luminary tools as something you eventually end up with, showing how much crafting you've done. Not something you sit and specifically craft to get.

Did that make sense?

Like instead of slaving away at crafting so many recipes of each level, after crafting in the game for a while, you find that you've done enouhg crafting to earn the luminary tool. Something to show off how much you've contributed to yourself and others with your craft. Showing that you're not just level 50, but experienced at it as well.

Because you're not a special snowflake that deserves to have better gear because you played a different version of the game.

Also, the stats are for balance purposes. Giving a small subset of players better stats breaks that balance.

Also, the Luminary gear you have is still obtainable within game via achievement.

Also, the developers designed it that way.

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Originally Posted by Inq

Because you're not a special snowflake that deserves to have better gear because you played a different version of the game.


Also, the Luminary gear you have is still obtainable within game via achievement.

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How would it make me a 'special snowflake' if they can still be obtained as you even mentioned? I'm just saying it doesn't really make sense to have two end level tools with the same stats. Na'mean?

I originally thought they were better.. then I completed my first craft, capping Alchemy at 50.. I was like, oh.
Yeah, I dunno how I feel on it. I am kinda okay with it, because this just means it's a novelty item that's there to show you've done a LOT of crafts in the game. On the other hand.. if you actively work for it, it's reeeeeeally disappointing.. I think this is a case where they never intended anyone to work for them in 2.0 at all, and that they were just things that you get eventually, maybe. Meanwhile though, it is kinda sucky for 1.0 players who already had one.

*shrugs*

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Originally Posted by TrystWildkey

I kinda agree with you. But, I'm coming to see the Luminary tools as something you eventually end up with, showing how much crafting you've done. Not something you sit and specifically craft to get.

Did that make sense?

Like instead of slaving away at crafting so many recipes of each level, after crafting in the game for a while, you find that you've done enouhg crafting to earn the luminary tool. Something to show off how much you've contributed to yourself and others with your craft. Showing that you're not just level 50, but experienced at it as well.

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I like your thinking Tryst. I was main crafter, so I didn't really have much to do at the time (not much content then) so really that's what I meant by slaving away (was all I really did after a time). Not such a bad viewpoint though. ^^

Yeah I'm pretty sure no one is suppose to work for them, they're just there to show you've played a long time and crafted a LOT over that period of time, and it's just kind of nod to you that says.. hey, you're cool!

Inq: you seem nice

I would be perfectly fine with them having the same stats so long as they had their own graphic like the lvl50 quest tools.

What they could simply do, like with most achievment items is maybe just add "spirit bonding +1" to the luminary tools to give them some perk to having them, allowing players to create craft/control/CP materia at a quicker pace since they are necessary to have if you want to craft any of the star 2 synths.

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Originally Posted by NICKYMON

But can't you still attain luminary through achievements (which are pretty much the same type of grindiness)?

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Yeah, but that just sort of makes it an optional grind. Really, you'd only do it for the same reason anyone strives to do achievements, except this one (in essence) gives you a vanity reward. It's sort of just like why not many question why people go to such great lengths just for a mount or pet. Something to show for it, I guess lol.

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Originally Posted by NICKYMON

I like your thinking Tryst. I was main crafter, so I didn't really have much to do at the time (not much content then) so really that's what I meant by slaving away (was all I really did after a time). Not such a bad viewpoint though. ^^

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And yeah, that user you quoted summed it up nicely.

I thought they were more of a status tool, you know just to say yeah I did that. Let be fair it isn't exactly hard to get, it is just time consuming so I don't think it should be the be all, end all of crafting tool.

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Originally Posted by NICKYMON

I like your thinking Tryst. I was main crafter, so I didn't really have much to do at the time (not much content then) so really that's what I meant by slaving away (was all I really did after a time). Not such a bad viewpoint though. ^^

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I just realized that you used the term 'slave away'

I hope you didn't take my post to be mocking you in any way, I started writing it (at work) and got distracted, and then came back a few minutes later to finish my thought. So I didn't remember your original wording. It was truly just my thoughts on it, because I did spend some time thinking about going for the luminaries before 1.0 shut down.

The luminary tools are cosmetic achievements that you can use to state "Yeah, I went and did that~"

They should not have to be necessary in order to craft in endgame. Overruled.

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Originally Posted by NICKYMON

How would it make me a 'special snowflake' if they can still be obtained as you even mentioned? I'm just saying it doesn't really make sense to have two end level tools with the same stats. Na'mean?

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You were clearly whining that your Luminary Tool didn't confer any special bonuses, hence, the special snowflake mention.

You crafted a lot in v1, congrats. You got a Luminary tool.

People that craft a lot on ARR? Congrats, they get the same tool you do. It's just a status symbol. It doesn't need anything else to skew what their design intention was.

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Originally Posted by Inq

You were clearly whining that your Luminary Tool didn't confer any special bonuses, hence, the special snowflake mention.

You crafted a lot in v1, congrats. You got a Luminary tool.

People that craft a lot on ARR? Congrats, they get the same tool you do. It's just a status symbol. It doesn't need anything else to skew what their design intention was.

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As you can see in my OP I welcomed both positive or negative thoughts or opinions in regards to the idea of the stats changing so I'm looking for any kind of feedback from the community that is constructive or just a friendly conversation...There's really no need for you to slap me with an 'entitled legacy player' title moreover the 'snowflake' and 'whining' crap. Good day.

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Originally Posted by NICKYMON

As you can see in my OP I welcomed both positive or negative thoughts or opinions in regards to the idea of the stats changing so I'm looking for any kind of feedback from the community that is constructive or just a friendly conversation...There's really no need for you to slap me with an 'entitled legacy player' title moreover the 'snowflake' and 'whining' crap. Good day.

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"slaved over" "Don't really like that they are equal in stats" "I was hoping that it would have a slightly elevated numbers because of the time put in"

Calling a snowflake a snowflake.

I didn't call you entitled, but it seems to be on your mind.

I gave you the feedback you asked for, but I guess you just want the kind that agrees with your point of view.

Good day to you too!

Luminary was a goal from crafting, it gaave you a reason to continue crafting after 50, it made market stay stabile. Now, prices on level 50 mats is closing in more and more to zero, due to market being overflooded, as when you are level 50, well, you are level 50 :P

i agree with you completely op. you will never get any traction on the forums on this though. some people are set in the thinking that by completing a few quests they should get the same thing that you get for completing thousands of synths and they should be exactly the same.

it's called laziness and this is quite common attitude.

I know many will disagree, but I'd like to see Luminary tools become offhand tools. Then you could have your main hand AF tool, and an equally awesome offhand Luminary.

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Originally Posted by Aenarion

You can have your higher stats luminary as soon as I get the credit for the tens of thousands of synths I did that SE didn't bother to track before luminaries.

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This. Do you have any Idea how many synths it took to level up crafts in very early 1.0? I went through THOUSANDS of shards, crystals and completed syntheses's making those stupid equipment parts leveling up BSM, ARM, and WVR. I deserve Luminaries for all three of those.

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Originally Posted by AnaviAnael

I know many will disagree, but I'd like to see Luminary tools become offhand tools. Then you could have your main hand AF tool, and an equally awesome offhand Luminary.

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That's a cool and unique idea Ana!

Well that's just retarded. Why are you getting better gear by rushing to 50 instead of dedicating yourself to the craft?
This is beyond stupid.