Any word on if and when SE will do something about the hackers rampant in the world?

I'm sure by now most if not all of you have seen the hackers. This isn't a whining thread because someone is doing something better then me. I'm talking legit hackers.

Teleporting between nodes, mining, then teleporting to the next node. over and over again.

If you haven't seen it yourself...youtube it.

This is BS. I can't think of many MMOs out there that allowed cheating to go on for this long. Especially something that drastically impacts the economy. being able to teleport to each node over and over again means they run circles around people who actually attempt to gather.

I personally love playing as gathering/crafting classes...but there is no way i can stay competitive over bots. It is frustrating to see them do laps around me. all automated...risk free etc.

almost decided to quit and get GTA5 last night because i can't stand how unfair this game is getting for people who refuse to cheat...

give us a youtube link so we can see.

While i can understand your frustration about people cheating please allow me to point out there have been multiple threads about this and using the search function would have easily allowed you to find these threads.
I can think of many MMO's that have cheating in them. Unfortunately it is practically impossible for any game company to prevent cheating 100%. they are always one step behind the people making these things. SE has always had a strong stance against cheating and they do as much as they can to keep it under control.

GTA V is great, get it anyway, you can always play a bit of both.

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Originally Posted by javid

give us a youtube link so we can see.

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http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...be.9VF7WcBdC_A

wow, that was hard.

Botting =/= "hacking".

edit: I guess I should also say cheating =/= hacking. Some could argue that though, I suppose.

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Originally Posted by darkm0d

Botting =/= "hacking".

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If you are teleporting node to node while running a botting program...then yes botting=hacking.

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Originally Posted by darkm0d

Botting =/= "hacking".

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In this case it is. My understanding is the hack the game to mine inside the geography plus hack teleport points.

In 100% seriousness, the best response to this is to report it through the correct channels - in game and in the forums in the bugs section. Talking about it in the general discussion is just going to result in people throwing insults, or at best, arguing over the minutia of the difference between hacking and botting. The more people who report this - through the correct channels - the more likely it is that SE will take action.

Well, supposedly they will be going after exploiters of Chimera and Hydra as announced on Lodestone today. http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...f3bbf3f197a43d

They mention in that post using Game Logs to see who cheated, so keep reporting Hackers and Bots, then they can check the logs and take action- hopefully.

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Originally Posted by darkm0d

Botting =/= "hacking".

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Teleporting node to node = hacking/cheating whether they're botting or not.

FFXI had a similar problem early on from the servers trusting whatever the client sent them for position data :|

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Originally Posted by darkm0d

Botting =/= "hacking".

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Why is there always at least one person in hacking threads flat out making excuses for hacking? In this case, they are both hacking AND botting, and even if they would be doing only one of those things it would still be a bannable offense, so what is your point exactly?

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Originally Posted by Anderian

Why is there always at least one person in hacking threads flat out making excuses for hacking? In this case, they are both hacking AND botting, and even if they would be doing only one of those things it would still be a bannable offense, so what is your point exactly?

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It's just poor phrasing. I guess overtime hacking has gotten a lot more of a loose usage, but it should mean breaking into a computer system. It's an IT industry related word. If I spawned in ARR with a bazooka I wouldn't be "hacking" I would be "cheating".

They (the bots) are probably just using a program that exploits certain designs in the game. To me, at least, and most definitions, hacking is the virtual equivalent to breaking into your house, not being able to breathe in space.

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Originally Posted by darkm0d

It's just poor phrasing. I guess overtime hacking has gotten a lot more of a loose usage, but it should mean breaking into a computer system. It's an IT industry related word. If I spawned in ARR with a bazooka I wouldn't be "hacking" I would be "cheating".

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Eitherway...you are still wrong.


It IS hacking. Its a downloadable third party program that hacks the client to give false positioning information back to the server to teleport to nodes. no walking. Characters can NOT teleport to nodes using traditional bots. Bots are usually third party macro programs that record keystrokes or mouse movements. This is a HACK because it actually changes client and server data to meet a pre determined goal. in this case positioning of the character.


The character THEN uses BOTS to script his mining behaviour to target specific gathering attempts.

So in essence it is both...and in violation of the games terms.

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Originally Posted by Tezeret

Eitherway...you are still wrong.


It IS hacking. Its a downloadable third party program that hacks the client to give false positioning information back to the server to teleport to nodes. no walking. Characters can NOT teleport to nodes using traditional bots. Bots are usually third party macro programs that record keystrokes or mouse movements. This is a HACK because it actually changes client and server data to meet a pre determined goal. in this case positioning of the character.


The character THEN uses BOTS to script his mining behaviour to target specific gathering attempts.

So in essence it is both...and in violation of the games terms.

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Agreed. It is hacking. Hacking is not just breaking into someone's computer.

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Originally Posted by Tezeret

almost decided to quit and get GTA5 last night because i can't stand how unfair this game is getting for people who refuse to cheat...

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I don't think much about people cheating, but...

GTA5 is really good. The best GTA ever. With multiplayer coming out in 2 weeks and looking amazing my sub here will be lapsing almost certainly. I'm not bashing FF14 at all, GTA is just that good imo.

I don't understand how SE (all major companies for that matter) can't do a better job controlling it. It seems so simple hire a team of 10-15 people, and just have them go server to server checking towns for gold spammers and prime farming locations. If they see anything record it, kick player, ban account and move on to the next one.

At $30 bucks a pop gold farmers will quickly become unprofitable and those players whos accounts are being hacked will quickly learn to increase security.

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Originally Posted by Frothylager

I don't understand how SE (all major companies for that matter) can't do a better job controlling it. It seems so simple hire a team of 10-15 people, and just have them go server to server checking towns for gold spammers and prime farming locations. If they see anything record it, kick player, ban account and move on to the next one.

At $30 bucks a pop gold farmers will quickly become unprofitable and those players whos accounts are being hacked will quickly learn to increase security.

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I dont get it either. I just began leveling my gatherer and i encounter dozens of bots/hackers/cheaters/etc through 6 zones of mining. and at each mining area, there were probably duplicates of 5 going all at once. Get one dev/gm/etc out there and they would've been shut down instantly. Guess they're too busy fixing the server issue that we no longer have.

Bump. I would also like to hear if developers/GMs are planning to do anything about this. I just reported 2 this morning on my server.