Any plans to fix raise?

Are there any plans to fix raise? Being animation locked and not invulnerable is such a pile or rubbish.

Raise tractors you to where the raiser WAS, not where he IS, so first of all... you need to remember that spot. Then you need to make sure there's nothing hitting in that spot.
And after taking the raise and reviving in that specific place, you have to just pray that nothing hits there.

This leads to a never ending chain of raise and death before you can do anything about it.

I have no idea who designed the new way the spell works but he needs to be slapped in the forehead.

worst thing is when I try to heal a resurrected people too soon, it heals myself instead. I once wasted a Benediction because of this crappy delay.

Personally, I dislike the tractor effect. Things look clear when I accept, but the moment I get back up, an aoe hits me and I die again.

In a lot of cases, it's safer to be raised at the spot I originally died at.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

worst thing is when I try to heal a resurrected people too soon, it heals myself instead. I once wasted a Benediction because of this crappy delay.

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Yes. This annoys me so freaking much, especially since there's no way to tell what is "too soon", because the party UI shows them as alive.

At least get rid of the black loading screen after someone accepts a raise.

The biggest issue is the healing immunity, but still being vulnerable to damage. It's very bad design really. If you are vulnerable to damage, you should be able to be healed.

Don't give me that "time your raise" and "l2p". If it was the opposite, can be healed, but immune to damage, no one would complain (except thise very few masochists) and SE would hotfix it so fast, it would make your head spin because it would be too powerful.

yeah , some1 raise u and u gotta see where he is , after that click raise and PRAY that nothing hits that zone for 10s (tractor effect , raise animation....)

give the raised players inmunity or let the raised player ABLE TO BE HEALED as soon as the animation starts because is frustrating raising some1 trying to heal him , only to heal myself over and over....still the target dies to random aoe.....unable to do anything about it.

Honestly I don't see an issue with this at all. You shouldn't be dying in combat anyway. You should be happy you can even get raised in the first place. The tractor effect is in every game ever, you raise at the spot where they casted the spell. I don't see why you're complaining about a common mechanic. However the not being able to be healed thing is meh, really you have to time your raise to be in a situationaly stable time. You shouldn't be allowed to just raise and heal all fight long.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

worst thing is when I try to heal a resurrected people too soon, it heals myself instead. I once wasted a Benediction because of this crappy delay.

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I'd accept the animation lock if this went away.

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Originally Posted by Zer0

Honestly I don't see an issue with this at all. You shouldn't be dying in combat anyway. You should be happy you can even get raised in the first place. The tractor effect is in every game ever, you raise at the spot where they casted the spell. I don't see why you're complaining about a common mechanic. However the not being able to be healed thing is meh, really you have to time your raise to be in a situationaly stable time. You shouldn't be allowed to just raise and heal all fight long.

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I can't tell if you are a sarcastic genius or a dimwit.

Agree there is no reason for this animation lock, SE please remove the animation if that's causing the issue, I would rather have functionality over pretty graphics, especially where a raise is concerned.

Limit breaks are almost as bad also.

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Originally Posted by Zer0

Honestly I don't see an issue with this at all. You shouldn't be dying in combat anyway. You should be happy you can even get raised in the first place. The tractor effect is in every game ever, you raise at the spot where they casted the spell. I don't see why you're complaining about a common mechanic. However the not being able to be healed thing is meh, really you have to time your raise to be in a situationaly stable time. You shouldn't be allowed to just raise and heal all fight long.

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This kind of genius comment will appear in every thread about Raise.

"it's your fault that you died"

ok, don't let me see you die in dungeons, no Raise for you.

Honestly, casting time, MP used, the weakness status affliction, healing delay, it seems more efficient for the player to just return to the start and catch up. Not in a boss fight of course. But when one character needs a raise, it really creates problems that are hard to recover from.

I just tell heals if I die to stupid, me or server check issue, just don't raise me. Unless have swiftcast the time spent casting and the random red the pops below me as I raise just make the time and mp spent a waste and puts other party members at risk of death.

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Originally Posted by Zer0

Honestly I don't see an issue with this at all. You shouldn't be dying in combat anyway.

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but it happens, that is why battle raise exists. i'd be a happier WHM if they wouldn't die.

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Originally Posted by Zer0

The tractor effect is in every game ever, you raise at the spot where they casted the spell.

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no. just no.

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Originally Posted by Zer0

I don't see why you're complaining about a common mechanic.

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because the mechanic is broken. either allow people be healed or disallow damage. how it is now is not logical.

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Originally Posted by Zer0

However the not being able to be healed thing is meh, really you have to time your raise to be in a situationaly stable time. You shouldn't be allowed to just raise and heal all fight long.

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what about fights where there is pretty much no stable time? HM primals?
raising people at Garuda HM for example is pretty much a waste of MP with all the shit that's going on in the second part.
and even in the first they often get randomly nuked.

I love the skill involved in using raise properly personally, you have to res someone in a way that they'll res in a safe spot and predict if AOE will be hitting there. Makes it a lot of fun to raise people, you have to position it perfectly to make sure the person lives.

However, what ISN't good is the fact someone is vulnerable to taking damage but can't be cured, make it so if they can take damage, you can also cure them to full. People being able to die but untargettable by cures makes no sense. A reduction in the "unable to move time" as well as an increase in invul time or ability to be cured while vulnerable is all it needs.

I usually get around this by Surecast-->Swiftcast-->Raise/Resurrection but I realize that most people don't level up multiple classes to get these beneficial powers.

I really don't think they'll do any changes to it as it's pretty standard in most MMO's now for rooted raising (TERA is horrible for this) but maybe they could lower the cast time a couple seconds to help with this.

I raised into a Landslide once, and was knocked off of the platform. It was hilarious.

Well, there needs to be some difficulty/consequence to dying. Considering we already don't lose exp and the only other "penalty" is weakness sickness... I won't deny that it's a bit ridiculous to be immune to healing while being raised but not damage but, seriously, the game is easy enough as it is and the death penalties aren't heavy (they're laughable). At least there's some risk involved, as there should be. There has to be a way to lose, otherwise there's no fun in playing. Even if that "mechanic" is flawed.

There's more than one perspective to everything.

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Originally Posted by RowanLauron

The biggest issue is the healing immunity, but still being vulnerable to damage. It's very bad design really. If you are vulnerable to damage, you should be able to be healed.

Don't give me that "time your raise" and "l2p". If it was the opposite, can be healed, but immune to damage, no one would complain (except thise very few masochists) and SE would hotfix it so fast, it would make your head spin because it would be too powerful.

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This. Pretty much sums it up.

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Originally Posted by Rorichan

I usually get around this by Surecast-->Swiftcast-->Raise/Resurrection but I realize that most people don't level up multiple classes to get these beneficial powers.

I really don't think they'll do any changes to it as it's pretty standard in most MMO's now for rooted raising (TERA is horrible for this) but maybe they could lower the cast time a couple seconds to help with this.

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The problem isn't the cast time of Raise. The problem is that you are in an animation lock after accepting a raise but can take damage during the animation but cannot be healed. Swiftcast does not mitigate the problem.

I agree that it needs to be changed. At the very least the player should be able to be healed or is invincible during the animation to balance out the issue.

Being susceptible to damage and effects whilst being unable to move or be healed is poor design. Many of the bosses in this game do randomly targeted aoe that is wholly uncontrollable.

Whoever raises should do their best to make sure you will be tractored to a safer spot. And then as soon as done casting, move far away from the player.