A serious question to SE

Why is it that we have a limited amount of times that we can post in other sections of the forum, and yet Gil spammers aren't limited in any way in-game? Would you pay attention to it if they were spamming their advertisements on this forum instead of in-game? Would that garner your attention? Would that cause you to put much more effort into fixing the problem? This issue should not have been able to go on for this long, and the fact that the forums are moderated more than the game itself is a joke, and not even a funny one.

We do not need restrictions on in game chat. That isn't a solution.

Just make sure you report gil sellers and blacklist them.

SE have banned 1000s of accounts in the past - they will be doing a mass ban soon.

To blacklist a player you have to go into the menu, select the option and type the player/players names. This is quite tricky when the players are called rrfojheyguehf and wdine8ehgefj467nhefj and the posts are flying. Makes 'em quite hard to catch! So.. how about an option to blacklist under tell and trade and stuff like that?

The easiest way I have found to click on the names is I open my chat window all the way up and then click their name. After that, click send tell then add that name to the blist. I know it's a pain but until there is a fix, it is what I have found works for me. I do find it comical that they spam so fast that no one really has a chance to see their hackurl anyways..lol

The craziest thing is that you can copy and paste the player name from chat into the player name box for blacklisting. But then it doesn't add it to the list. So as stated you're forced to type it out. Horrible programming.

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Originally Posted by Fooju

We do not need restrictions on in game chat. That isn't a solution.

Just make sure you report gil sellers and blacklist them.

SE have banned 1000s of accounts in the past - they will be doing a mass ban soon.

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Don't take this wrong or anyone else here suggesting to block but here's the thing though. [No offense to anyone here.]
Okay, I don't want to be blocking because it's a massive waste of time and energy. On PS3, it's a pissfest because they spam so hard, I can't see the names.
Solution; Right-click or Square button has Blacklist added. I'm not going to manually type out names here. Even then, I just don't wanna BL them all the time.
To add to that, they regenerate en mass. Useless to block at this point, also I paid to play the game, not deal with flooding Gil Spammers, ALL THE TIME, EVERYDAY AND NIGHT. Inb4 "Well they are in every MMO." Most F2P MMO's sure.
We can't even have fun in cities and chat or help new people in cities and it's deterring people.
I mean they spam SERIOUSLY on here. It is not my job to be playing Gilock Holmes and snuff out the dang sellers and report them. They are also hacked accounts too. Paying people, are being hacked because of this. We're reporting innocent players here too.
I mean this is getting pretty damn serious and must be a fix fast. When they start diggin' in peoples accounts, somethings in the mist.

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Originally Posted by Fooju

We do not need restrictions on in game chat. That isn't a solution.

Just make sure you report gil sellers and blacklist them.

SE have banned 1000s of accounts in the past - they will be doing a mass ban soon.

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It's not a final solution. But it would be a huge step in that direction. Something like this would seriously take .. an hour to actually code, then a quick 10 min maintenance to apply it to the server software?

Why should I have to go through the trouble of blacklisting 10-20 gil spammers each day? That's not what I consider a quality of life addition to the game. Leaving things as is and just saying "Blacklist them" isn't a solution. Even if they added a right-click "add to blacklist and report" option to the chat, that still wouldn't be what I would consider an ideal "Final" solution. I'd still be forced to blist 10-20 of these a day, and as I said that adds nothing to my gameplay value except a daily annoyance, an unnecessary chore. I'm looking for a SOLUTION from SE that eliminates them from spamming chat in the first place. I'm starting to notice a trend with some of the players who post on these forums. They'll literally accept ANYTHING no matter what it is and not demand change from SE no matter what that ANYTHING may be that they're accepting. SE could begin a policy where they delete your character for no reason every time you reach level 50 on it and these same people would accept that too and reply to anyone asking for change "It adds replay value to the game, just level up again."

So this is what I feel like SE should do. Are they going to? I doubt it, but hey! Why not try to put in my two cents, too.
Option 1) Do what you did in FFXI. Set up a team dedicated to nothing else other than banning gil sellers. You did it then, why not do it again? It worked pretty well there.
Option 2) Make it so using /shout and /yell have a minimum required level. Maybe 15, maybe 20, hopefully not 10 because then you could do it within thirty minutes and it's not really as worth-while.
Option 3) Mediate your naming structure better so that the names Biyknwerg Leflargaaienon and such aren't even allowed.
Option 4) Make it so that the same or similar messages cannot be typed more than once every thirty seconds to a minute. This helps with two things. One, it stops gil sellers. Two, it stops people who just set up a macro for spamming invites to parties from doing that. Not gonna lie, I can blacklist gil sellers, but annoying people who are actually trying to play the game also exist, and those hurt me because I don't want to ignore them.

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Originally Posted by Astrolia

The craziest thing is that you can copy and paste the player name from chat into the player name box for blacklisting. But then it doesn't add it to the list. So as stated you're forced to type it out. Horrible programming.

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The main issue there is that without surgical mouse precision you will get a space after the last letter of the last name. After you paste the name into the BLIST area, hit backspace to kill the extra space and bam!

Right Click + Report is all we need, like WOW has, it puts a session-long block on them, doesn't pollute your blacklist and sends all the needed info to SE. Given SE's history with RMT in FFXi it's asinine they expect people to bother faffing around with the 'Contact Support' mechanism they're demanding we use.

To those advocating that the current system is fine, just consider SE provide NO WAY to mass-remove blacklist entries, you'll have to go through the tedious multi-click process tro remove each one individually!

Just to let you know, if you hold Ctrl+C while their name is highlighted you can copy their name, and then paste it into your block list with Ctrl+v so that makes it a little easier. But it is still way too time consuming and awkward to actually REPORT these people.. I have over 60 of them on my BL now it is crazy!! As soon as I am done with 1 of them.. another 2 show up!

For PC players, just use a macro:

/blist add <r>

This will blacklist the last person to whisper you. It takes 1 second to press the button then!

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Originally Posted by Fooju

For PC players, just use a macro:

/blist add <r>

This will blacklist the last person to whisper you. It takes 1 second to press the button then!

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Thank you, that is very useful! But what do we do when our 200/200 BL limit is reached? (which will be in about another 2 weeks at the current rate!)

i made the suggestion in another thread to restrict /sh /yell to something like level 10 and also possibly spamming to a cooldown like 3-5 mins instead of a few secconds.

this should not impact new legit players as it only takes a couple hours to get to level 10 and sounds reasonable to restrict to level 10. this would not eliminate the problem but would certainly slow down the occurance of spamming.

while you can say they can spam in /say but its less of an impact and is not zone wide.

I, myself have a full blist of 200/200 so i cannot add anymore to my banlist.

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Originally Posted by Kraggy

Right Click + Report is all we need

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Bull. Like I said, chat will still be flooded with the massive walls of text regardless of having this option or not. How about we get to the ROOT of the problem instead of just cutting off the branches every time they grow new ones? There is no reason there shouldn't be a system in place that prevents the same message from being sent dozens of times in a 30-60 second length of time. It can just pick up on the same words being repeated that way the spammers can't get around it by adding something at the beginning or end. Hell, sending a buncha messages in a short timeframe shouldn't be allowed. Not saying add a cooldown to EVERY message, but like if someone says like 5 or 10 things in a 10 second length of time THEN they get a cooldown. Normal people will never run into issues with that unless they're truly spamming because who says 5 to 10 unique things in the same chat within a 5-10 second period of time?

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Originally Posted by Arminus

Why is it that we have a limited amount of times that we can post in other sections of the forum, and yet Gil spammers aren't limited in any way in-game?

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Quote of the year...by far the truth.

Preach it.

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Originally Posted by Arminus

Bull. Like I said, chat will still be flooded with the massive walls of text regardless of having this option or not. How about we get to the ROOT of the problem instead of just cutting off the branches every time they grow new ones? There is no reason there shouldn't be a system in place that prevents the same message from being sent dozens of times in a 30-60 second length of time. It can just pick up on the same words being repeated that way the spammers can't get around it by adding something at the beginning or end. Hell, sending a buncha messages in a short timeframe shouldn't be allowed. Not saying add a cooldown to EVERY message, but like if someone says like 5 or 10 things in a 10 second length of time THEN they get a cooldown. Normal people will never run into issues with that unless they're truly spamming because who says 5 to 10 unique things in the same chat within a 5-10 second period of time?

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The root of the problem is developers making games with items and systems in them that enable or allow for RMT. Isn't it curious how they always seem to at least leave one aspect in that can be exploited and cause the rise of gilselling and coin/item farming RMT?
Never once in the history of MMORPGS - when a developer said 'we don't like gilselling either' have they been honest. THEY LOVE the attention and cash flow it brings.

It would be funny to see what the gil spammers would do if SE made it so you couldn't trade or mail Gil to people.

What's quite scary, is that there must be a market for Gilspamming. Who's buying this? Who thinks to themselves - "sounds legit, might do that" when they see a gilspam? Perhaps the solution would be for SE to sell the Gil themselves - not a great solution, but if its available officially, perhaps the Gilspammers will just go away as their market evaporates. At this point it feels like its a handful of gamers versus hundreds of Gilspammers. I look at the guy next to me wearing just his pants chopping logs and thinking "you're a spammer, I hate you, you're the reason we can't get matches in Dungeons." or something.

But yeah, how hard can it be to limit the posting method and make it easier to /blist.