WHM Allagan Tomestone of Mythology Questions.

What are you spending your tomes on first and why? (Assuming you already have your relic weapon and all the darklight pieces).

The chest... because it's practically the only thing you can see on a WHM.

Chest, because DL body has the worst stat wise.

Interesting, I asked myself the same question.
I see a lot of people choose the relic +1 instead of the chest.

+1 relic first. Why?
DL you are wearing a chest/hat in one piece. Unless I have enough saved up for the crown and the chest to buy at the same time the relic +1 is more useful to me, and that is what I did. Also, I may invest my mythology in my next relic class to be a bit geared up for some of the battles if I decide to go DD. I doubt it though, may just go SCH and invest into my full WHM 2.0 gear first. [Note: SCH/WHM share DL]

The relic should be the highest priority. 1 Wep Dmg is worth atleast 35-40 pts of your main stats. Personally I messed up and went with the helm first so I have to wait to get the weapon now. Could I go back and do it again, the +1 is the best choice.

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Originally Posted by Onolock

The relic should be the highest priority. 1 Wep Dmg is worth atleast 35-40 pts of your main stats. Personally I messed up and went with the helm first so I have to wait to get the weapon now. Could I go back and do it again, the +1 is the best choice.

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What? It's more like 7-10 of your primary stat for DPS. Is the cure formula that much more weighted towards WD? See below for DPS.

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Trying to decide between chest and relic +1. Seems like the chest would be a bigger upgrade... and it is all you can see.

Go for Relic+1.
The equipment pieces drop in Bahamut..

Does Thyrus + 1 glow or anything?

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

Does Thyrus + 1 glow or anything?

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Yes, it does.

So the different in stats here is

AF2 body/AF1 Helm:
Def:-2 Mgkdef:-2 Vit:4 Mind:4 Pty:14 Determination:-29 Spell Speed:34

Relic +1:
Vit:5 Determination:3 Mind:4 Spellspeed:3

So I guess really it comes down to, do you want Spell speed or determination, I am not sure how much Determination effects Heals, I haven't been able to find any charts that anyone has made up, I am not entirely sure that the AF2 body would be worth it unless you are getting the AF2 helm at the same time really, unless spell speed is much better then determination

You don't have to use the AF1 headpiece you know. There are quite a few much better options.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

You don't have to use the AF1 headpiece you know. There are quite a few much better options.

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Could you guys explain more please? As a SCH, I currently have ~ 800 Myth tomes. I use the chest from AK and some DL accessories... I also have a normal relic book.
What are the "a few better options" for the helm and what are the stats for a +1 relic book?

Based on Test using this site http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id=279 credit goes to Reddit.com from the tool Relic +1 would be a 4.9% upgrade compared to upgrading from DL Cowl to Af2 Body + Vanya (4Meld hat of healing) which would be .72% healing increase.

I took the Chest, because I knew it was going to be a while before I would be able to do all the relic quest with my FC..

Granted i'm very new to 50 but my thought was Spell speed would be one of your more important stats. I personally like spell crit/speed. Pulled this from another thread with a general google search

1 Mind=0.49 hp cured. 6 Determination= just above that at 0.51 according the calculator.

My thought was a cure hitting sooner rather than later could mean the difference between a character dying or not. So i'd rather not get an extra 10-20 etc hp on a heal and have that heal at a reduced amount actually land.

WHM: Prioritize Spellspeed.
SCH: Prioritize Crit.

Once your Cure I starts healing for 900+ it's time to focus on stats that help "situational" scenarios.

I got the body already for Titan (first mythology piece I bought), then upgraded weapon to +1. For others I'd advice going for +1 weapon and legs as those won't drop until turn 5 in coil. Relic ring is also a good purchase as it's the BiS with the allagan one.

I went chest and head. I have my relic its just not plus one. The DL chest sucks since it really 2 pieces. I figured what I would make from the myth chest and head I would lose from the +1. I a SCH btw. For my DPS classes though hands down +1 since dps is what your looking for.

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Originally Posted by Darkoray

For my DPS classes though hands down +1 since dps is what your looking for.

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Beg to disagree, it's not always +1 for DPS, for BRDs that is.

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I'd go for +1 relic, followed by leggings => chest > ring

Relic first, then legs (since they drop from Turn 5 and not many are going to clear that). After that perhaps just keep at least 925 so if Allagan head or body drops you can get the corresponding AF2 piece for maximum improvement.

Went with +1 relic first and then body. My reasoning was this. If I can pick it up in the first 2 turns of Coil Im not going to buy it. My body comes from turn 4, so that was the next piece I bought. I sucked it up and bought a HQ vanya hat to go with it.

When Relic +1, body and head, then ring and last belt, thats what i have so far. The rest going to be accesories since i use SCH a lot too.

Right or wrong, I +1'd my Thyrus first because I was not going without my glowstick for one minute longer than I had to. I'm saving for WHM AF2 body next. That's still 2 more weeks away. After that I'm just not sure what I'm willing to farm mTomes for...

I remember seeing a spreadsheet of data that listed the Thyrus+1 as one of the best upgrades to go with if you've got full DL and your normal Relic.

After that, upgrade the body and use at least the Strategos cap for your head-slot, because the Darklight healing piece looks ugly as sin.

Is it bad that I want the Allagan gear just because it's pretty? >.>

I was aiming for my relic +1 but the NPC glitched on me so I ended up with the Cleric's Circlet.

Get your mist first for relic +1 but don't save up 900 myth and try to get them all at once. There is a chance it will bug. Grab your mist right away when you hit that 300 cap.

problem with body piece is that you will also need the head to replace your cowl (or go back tp that ugly AK head piece)

If me, I would
1/ get relic+1
2/ get 1 ring (probably the last slot that is not DL)
3/ get Body+Head at the same time
4/ work toward the rest

and yes, it will take forever :)

Just turn off the head display, problem solved.

Personally I went with the Imperial Operative hat (and turned off display cause that crap is ugly) and double melded Spell Speed on it.

There's no reason to sit on the stones if you are going to buy something with it, a Cleric's piece + AK or a HQ Crafted piece will be better than the Darklight Cowl.

+1 is a 0.0049% increase in throughput per tome.
Chest is a 0.0034% increase in throughput per tome.

However there is the vitality tradeoff which does need to be considered if you are giving Twintania a burl.

Is a Spell Speed build actually better than a Determination/Crit build? I haven't been able to notice much of a difference with Spell Speed, but I imagine you would need a large amount for it to be beneficial. Any thoughts/data would be truly appreciated.

I have calculated DL+Relic+1 against body AF2+Relic and the first is slightly more efficient with heals, but I'm going for AF2 gear because i have low statsand need to fix that problem for Coil.
Heals are good enough, without buffs or food it's 850 with one non-critical Cure.

As Hysterior said, the problem with body is that you'll need the head piece too, and if you can't get them at the same time, you're going to replace a level 70 piece with one level 90 and one level 60 pieces (average level: 75). The best choice should be to replace level 60 Ring with the level 90 Ring, but I personally took the leg piece instead, because the Allagan one is a Turn 5 drop, and you need to kill Twintania to get a level 90 leg piece.

I messed up with my myth tomes originally because I didn't even know about relic+1 when I bought my first piece (or I didn't think I'd get it anytime soon). I bought the WHM AF2 feet first (unfortunately), then Relic+1. Then I crafted a HQ Vanya robe and bought the AF2 head while waiting for Allagan healing body to drop from Turn 4.

Personally, I prefer the Allagan healing body over WHM AF2 body in terms of stats, so I held off on buying the AF2 body. Next week, I will *probably* buy the AF2 legs since Allagan legs are a Turn 5 drop which may take a while to beat since my group just started trying to beat it this past week (pre-nerf, we haven't tried it post-nerf). The sucky thing is you can't even see the WHM AF2 legs over the robe, lol.

Relic +1 is best upgrade. WD is the best stat for healing, and Thyrus +1 glows white!

I personally stayed away from everything that gives spell speed in Myth, excluding the headpiece (due to the fact that I went Vanya+Myth head), and I knew I was going to have access to turn 1-4 Allagan within a few weeks of turning 50.

Also, if you can, try to purchase main pieces (Head, Chest, Legs, Feet, Waist) before accessories, as they give large VIT increases, and accessories do not. ^^;

+1 relic may be the "best" upgrade stat wise for pure healing, but personally, I am sad that I got +1 relic first. I just got my next piece which for vitality, piety, and mind, was the biggest upgrade over DL and it was the legs.

The legs drop in turn 5, which I won't be downing anytime soon. Will be farming turns 1-4 for other pieces primarily, and only purchase something else if I am close to max myths.

Cleric legs
Vitality 29
Mind 29
Determination 17
Piety 26

DL legs
Vitality 20 up 9 points
Mind 20 up 9 points
Piety 12 up 14 points
Critical Hit Rate 27 MINUS 27 points
ADD DETERMINATION 17 POINTS


DL Cowl
Vitality 32 up 7 points
Mind 33 up 6 points
Piety 19 up 16 points
Determination 29 same
ADD spell speed 35 points

Strategos Helm

Vitality 10
Mind 10
Spell Speed 11
Piety 9


Cleric Robe
Vitality 29
Mind 29
Spell Speed 24
Piety 26
Determination 29

Just my preference, cleric legs is the better choice since it is Turn 5 drop as my FIRST purchase with myth tomes. If I then hit max tomes, I'd get +1 relic as a WHM

Some say that Cleric robe and Vanya are best choice until you can purchase cleric circlet, but to me it is a mute point because those items drop in Coil on easy Turns. With legs being Turn 5, the choice for me is buy my legs.

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Originally Posted by Slark

Relic +1 is best upgrade. WD is the best stat for healing, and Thyrus +1 glows white!

I personally stayed away from everything that gives spell speed in Myth, excluding the headpiece (due to the fact that I went Vanya+Myth head), and I knew I was going to have access to turn 1-4 Allagan within a few weeks of turning 50.

Also, if you can, try to purchase main pieces (Head, Chest, Legs, Feet, Waist) before accessories, as they give large VIT increases, and accessories do not. ^^;

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Exactly this ^^ if you do buy anything with myths, don't buy accessories... the Vitality from main pieces is too good and you will need the HPs for Turn 5 before you need accessory upgrades.

gonna be hitting 1.4k myths at the cap of this week already have my +1 still good to go with pants and a ring? and first purchase(s)

I went Thyrus +1 > pants > boots > belt. Probably going ring next.