Why Leave After 3 Mins?

For the past few days, and after 25+ titan cues, seems the new thing to do is que up, wait 3 mins then waste everyones time and leave. You have 1 hr 20 mins. Cant expect it to go smooth on the first try everytime. If your just going to leave why join.

Are they inspecting everyone's gear and leaving if they don't like what they see?

Because why would I waste my time with a group who shouldn't even be in the Titan queue? It's the people who queue in level 45 armor that are causing Square to implement GearScore. I'm definitely not going to heal a tank who is wearing gear he crafted himself that has no materia.

I have a feeling the combination of gearscore and duty finder is only going to bring out the worst in people.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

I have a feeling the combination of gearscore and duty finder is only going to bring out the worst in people.

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Wait.. you mean it can get worse?

http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/...f-god-meme.jpg

Oh and suppose after dropping out, waiting 20 mins on CD is a real good way to spend your time. LOGIC is flawed.

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Originally Posted by Breladine

Wait.. you mean it can get worse?

http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/...f-god-meme.jpg

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Yes. Welcome to "generic-MMO-land"!

I might have been in the same game as you since you've made this thread pretty much at the time I quit lol

People leave because to many people show up with AF and no darklight or atleast level55 gear. Some even come in with rings and bracelets that are level ~30 grey items. Happened way to many times today, you try to tell them but they never listen. This is why ilvl score is being put in place in the duty finder (Thankfully)

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Originally Posted by Kallera

I have a feeling the combination of gearscore and duty finder is only going to bring out the worst in people.

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you're 100% right but it might be needed you wont want people join raids in af gear :P

I had to leave a DF party twice because of 2 things:

1) 1 party had a great tank but a CNJ that didn't heal at all ( only healed himself if he was hurting >.>)
2) Another party had a Great healer, but since tank didn't use flash at all, all the mobs went to the mages and they both died ( then the tank died as well)

Both occasions I have repeated ask those people to please use "Flash" or "Cure the tank" in the nicest way possible, they refused to listen and died 6 times in each party.

Then I left the party.

I always give EVERY PARTY a fair shake, but if I don;t see progression of some sort at all, that's when I leave.

The problem isn't that AF = bad, it's just the fact that people can't perform well enough with it. They need better gear to make-up for the lack of skill they have. Sure the better gear helps, but it only improves your performance at your current skill level. You can tell the difference even comparing people with top gear. The better play will always do more damage/healing/tanking. Where you can REALLY see the difference is when the better skilled players out perform better geared people with less gear. Iv'e seen it happen before.

I wish everyone would stop with "gear makes you good" attitude. It's a cop-out.

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Originally Posted by Crushbone-Hammerfist

Because why would I waste my time with a group who shouldn't even be in the Titan queue? It's the people who queue in level 45 armor that are causing Square to implement GearScore. I'm definitely not going to heal a tank who is wearing gear he crafted himself that has no materia.

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Please go back to WoW.... soon. Its attitude like that is part of the problem, not the solution. We can say the same right back at you, if you want to go with people you consider "geared" for the fight, then hand select your people and go with them and stop wasting everyone's time who wants to give it a shot even if they can't complete it.

So a Bard in AF can't do enough dps to complete this fight? Is there a why? What piece of gear makes them able to attempt this?

If I get the Darklight body, is that +6 Dex and less Crit going to make me able to obliterate all?

Yes... because all those people speed spamming Castrum Meridianum for DL gear are automatically better than others that have not. In fact, I just got done with a "speed run" of Castrum Meridianum where almost everyone sucked. Got full DL but can't dodge big red circle moves?... You're awesome! /sarcasm

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Originally Posted by RowanLauron

I wish everyone would stop with "gear makes you good" attitude. It's a cop-out.

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Gear is necessary but not sufficient. Skill is the same. Necessary but not sufficient. You can't "out skill" a DPS check if your gear only lets you hit 130 when you need to be doing 180.

Gear doesn't make you good, but you need gear to beat the encounters. Why people are willing to ignore this and wail about player skill, like they're god's gift to FFXIV (or any MMO) is something I've never understood.

Skill doesn't prevent you from getting 1shot by unavoidable area wide aoe hits. Skill alone won't make it possible for you to hit the DPS threshold to take down the heart in time.

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Originally Posted by Hachiko

Skill doesn't prevent you from getting 1shot by unavoidable area wide aoe hits. Skill alone won't make it possible for you to hit the DPS threshold to take down the heart in time.

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True, but until we see what the restrictions will be it'll be anyone's guess. If they allow people in with full AF and some lower level accessories then obviously the encounter can be defeated without needing the best gear available.

That said, I agree with everything you said. I'm mainly pointing out the people who blatantly refuse to party with people just by examining gear and not giving them a chance. Which is what a lot of people are doing.

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Originally Posted by RowanLauron

I'm mainly pointing out the people who blatantly refuse to party with people just by examining gear and not giving them a chance. Which is what a lot of people are doing.

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It's not another players job to hep someone who doesn't help themselves. A few Wanderer's Palace runs go a long way.

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Originally Posted by Slambo

It's not another players job to hep someone who doesn't help themselves. A few Wanderer's Palace runs go a long way.

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You assume I'm only referring to people who don't want to put forth any effort, but while true, a lot of people who legitimately need help won't get it because people assume they either won't help themselves, or are bad because their gear is bad therefore the person must be bad. Too many bad apples spoiled the bunch so to speak on bith sides.

There are people who want to be carried through everything, but there are just as many who legitimately need help and can't get it for various reasons. They stay undergeared because there are more people who ignore them/won't help vs people willing to help.

You can say those people need to join a FC, but what if they don't play during prime time or aren't on when there are FC people to help or are lone wolfs who depend on the community and pugs? It's not their fault they're alone...at least not 100% their fault. We can go back and forth all day, but I think we're both right. Just depends on which person you are and who you play with.

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Originally Posted by Darkrotor

So a Bard in AF can't do enough dps to complete this fight? Is there a why? What piece of gear makes them able to attempt this?

If I get the Darklight body, is that +6 Dex and less Crit going to make me able to obliterate all?

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Small numbers make a big difference in this game. DPS checks like Titan's heart are won or lost based on pure DD output. It's bad enough that the duty finder puts you in an unfavorable position by only having 4 DDs (Groups that have beaten it often use 5 DDs or 3 healers instead of 2 tanks) but when you add people coming in with anything but optimized gear it quickly becomes a problem. You have to make the absolute most out of the 4 DDs you have.

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Originally Posted by Darkrotor

So a Bard in AF can't do enough dps to complete this fight? Is there a why? What piece of gear makes them able to attempt this?

If I get the Darklight body, is that +6 Dex and less Crit going to make me able to obliterate all?

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For the heart phase, you seriously need every little bit that you can. It's a strict dps check. Everybody needs to be on the ball and dealing high dps to kill it in time. Doing 10 less damage every attack can be the difference between victory and defeat.

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Originally Posted by Earendur

For the past few days, and after 25+ titan cues, seems the new thing to do is que up, wait 3 mins then waste everyones time and leave. You .....

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this has been happening to me in Garuda. once someone messes up we all die, the fight leaves little room for error. This brings out the worst in the mmo community causing people to leave.

My suggestion to SE would be to increase the 1st person leaving penalty and add a repeat offender penalty for leaving again within 24 hours.

1st time leaving 30 minute penalty
2nd time leaving 1 hour penalty
3rd time leaving 1 hour & 30 minute penalty

I would like this implemented after they add the gear level content restrictions.

its just crazy the amount of people leaving. Makes me not want to play. i cant get anything done especially since ive waited almost 1 hour everytime to join just to have people leave after 3 minutes.

As a tank I left as soon as I saw this stupid healer wearing the weaver artifact gear, please. Gear score worked fine in other mmo's, stop complaining