Paladin's Cure Suggestion

Currently Paladin's Cure is extremely negligible at end game. Cure is the single ability that most separates the concept of a Paladin from just a plain Knight. I think giving Paladin Cure II would be OP. I suggest making a combo of

Spirits Within ---> Cure

resulting in Cure doing 2.5 times its normal heal amount. It would not be spammable because of Spirits Within 30 second cool down and it would nicely fit the general combo system that the game uses.

At first I wanted to say so what, but this is actually a good suggestion.

not a bad suggestion...

wanted to make one I thought of as well: give Circle of Scorn a HoT effect maybe? It affects all within its Radius. Would really just effect the melee and PLD himself majority of the time.

I just simply think healing is not part of this Paladin's repertoire. Yeah it can take it from CNJ, but it only seems to be useful in solo situations, like having Protect as you'd never cast it over a WHM's.

Once they got rid of Holy Succor and Divine Veil, they really went a different route with Paladin. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the Japanese translation for the job was Knight.

I don't rely on healing myself. I see Cure more as a Flash with benefits, very, very few benefits. That said I wouldn't mind reaching back to earlier games and give GLD's First Aid, Heal or Nurse. Not all three, just pick one, and make it like Second Wind but base it off of VIT. Hell quest lock it and a boosting trait to boot. And before anyone starts in about that being the Pugilist thing, Square seems willing to cut/paste skills on to all their classes, so I don't see why not.

As stated by the Original Poster, I believe "a little bit of Magic" is the only thing separating a Paladin and a regular old warrior. As already stated by the Producers of this game they will be releasing pvp and other end game content, which means that in the near future you MIGHT be needing a Personal heal to keep yourself up in a pvp/ect. All in all They need something more of the "conjurer" Side.

I see this topic come up all the time and I agree that Cure is very minor when it comes to your own survivability. But am I the only one who uses it on my allies? When a DD or healer takes a hit and I have solid aggro on the boss (and honestly, when do you not?), that extra 200 HP can and often will make the difference between life or death, and in the case of a healer needing that HP the difference between a win or a wipe.

If PLD Cure is neglible at end game, I'd hate to see you try WAR.

WAR's Storm's Path heals less than 1/3rd that amount and can only be used every 7.5s.
Their Inner Beast can only be used every ~22.5s, heals for 2.5x that amount, and then completely removes the 15% healing bonus.

Its funny how people compare WAR self-healing with PLD blocking because WAR self-healing should be compared to PLD self-healing... but no one ever does because, unlike the WAR, the PLD has no real need to heal themselves.

The real problem is the transaltion. The job in japanese in named as ナイト　that means "Knight" but i dont understand why in english they used the term of "Paladin"...

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Originally Posted by Ruminate

If PLD Cure is neglible at end game, I'd hate to see you try WAR.

WAR's Storm's Path heals less than 1/3rd that amount and can only be used every 7.5s.
Their Inner Beast can only be used every ~22.5s, heals for 2.5x that amount, and then completely removes the 15% healing bonus.

Its funny how people compare WAR self-healing with PLD blocking because WAR self-healing should be compared to PLD self-healing... but no one ever does because, unlike the WAR, the PLD has no real need to heal themselves.

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Storm's Path is instant and scales based on damage. Cure on the otherhand takes 2 seconds to cast, will be cancelled if monster hits you and potency scales with MND stat which our gear doesn't have.

I totally agree. The cure spell on the paladin is pretty much worthless. It needs to have a boost added to its power or what is the point of it at all.

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Originally Posted by Viik

Storm's Path is instant and scales based on damage. Cure on the otherhand takes 2 seconds to cast, will be cancelled if monster hits you and potency scales with MND stat which our gear doesn't have.

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Storm's Path's heal is not instant. Its tied to when the damage is done and the damage is done at the very end of the animation. If you've actually used it, you'd know it takes about 2 secs to come off.... the same as Cure. Funny that.

Cure's heal scales better per point of determination than Storm's Path's heal scales per point of strength, determination, and weapon damage combined. Have you not noticed how the healing from healers outscales the damage from damage classes? It isn't just MND thats doing that. Another factor in the scaling discrepancy is that each point of str, dtr, and WD is only worth 75% of its original value due to Defiance. And the final factor is that Storm's Path only absorbs HALF that amount.

Cure will be interrupted if you're being hit repeatedly in a short time span, mostly from tanking multiple mobs. If you're main tanking, you're most likely not tanking multiple mobs.

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Originally Posted by Ex-SOLDIER

I totally agree. The cure spell on the paladin is pretty much worthless. It needs to have a boost added to its power or what is the point of it at all.

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Yeah, I only really use it when taking fate bosses and need to keep myself alive or when pulling back mob packs in a dungeon => Shield lob, run back and spam Cure to generate threat until they come in melee range.

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Originally Posted by Ruminate

Storm's Path's heal is not instant. Its tied to when the damage is done and the damage is done at the very end of the animation. If you've actually used it, you'd know it takes about 2 secs to come off.... the same as Cure. Funny that.

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That still makes it an instant ability rather than spells like Cure which will be cancelled if you take damage or try to move. Despite long animation, Storm's Path will successfully hit even if you move during the animation and getting hit won't cancel it. Also, Cure will get cancelled on one hit, casting it while tanking a boss with faster attack speed than it takes for you to cast a cure will require either stunning or getting a lucky dodge/parry. While high scaling via Determination sounds nice, it's a DPS stat that you don't see on tanking equipment.

I agree they do need to make cure more lucrative for a Paladin. It would be nice if the ability got retooled if it was used for the paladin job and changed to say "X% of amount healed is based off of Str or Vit." Then make the ability reactive off like a block, but could only be used once every 15 seconds or something. Just spit balling here.

Either way the secondary class Gladiators must have to become a Paladin should have at least one really nice ability.

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Originally Posted by Arcana

The real problem is the transaltion. The job in japanese in named as ナイト　that means "Knight" but i dont understand why in english they used the term of "Paladin"...

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The term Paladin comes from Charlemagne's court. They were foremost among his knights, and held no mystical healing powers or even basic first aid skills as far as we know. :P So Paladon=Knight fits in translation.

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Originally Posted by Viik

That still makes it an instant ability rather than spells like Cure which will be cancelled if you take damage or try to move.
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Cure will get cancelled on one hit, casting it while tanking a boss with faster attack speed than it takes for you to cast a cure will require either stunning or getting a lucky dodge/parry...

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Cure will not be cancelled by a single attack. I use it often while tanking and I only get interrupted by Paralyze and special attacks. Also of note: Cure's cast time is less than a GCD, so while you miss out on auto-attacks you can still dive right into another ability as soon as you're done casting with no additional time lost.

Honestly people, you're so focused on the small numbers compare to WHM/SCH (which are healers and thus should have vastly larger numbers than a tank) that you fail to see the big picture. There are several benefits to casting Cure as a Paladin.

1. Your MP actually gets used. The only time Flash (our only MP using ability) gets spammed is during AoE mass trash pulls. In a boss fight you only ever need it to apply Blind, which has diminishing returns. The rest of the time your MP bar sits at full being utterly useless. So trade that MP for HP and you've got pure profit.

2. You can cast it on anybody. This makes Cure vastly superior to Storm's Path. You can (and I often have) save a party member's life with a single 200 HP Cure. DDs and Healers have small HP pools, so a Paladin can quite easily Cure them from the brink of death back to full in short order.

3.. You take pressure off the healer. The healer gets to conserve a bit of mana, can work in Esuna while you keep yourself/your party member alive for a GCD, and generates less threat.

Y'all need to start using Cure more often and in a broader scope. I guarantee it will improve your game.

How about it sharing Shield Swipe's proc and allowing a buffed Cure after you block. Gives you a choice between damage/pacification or healing for X% more.