Just heard I need to do 64 runs of AK just for basic gear... should I just quit?

Topic title sums it up pretty well. I'm just short of finishing the main story (would have had it last night, but then the maintenance had to pop up), and I've heard that the only way to continue forward past this point is to run one dungeon over 60 times in order to get gear to continue with any further content. Is this actually true? I'm aware that there's a lot of complaining going on, but is the number really that high?

If so, would I be best off just quitting the game now? 60 runs seems like far too long for a single dungeon to be welcome for, and from what I've gathered, there's nothing to be gained but the 60 run countdown during that period. A 60+ hour checkstop just doesn't sound appealing to me in the slightest, and looks a lot more like plain old work than anything else. Perhaps the game just isn't for me past this point?

Yup! There's nothing to except the 3 primal fights and farm tomestones since the bridge to Bahamut's Coil (Crystal Tower) won't be out until November. Congrats on rushing to level 50.

On less sarcastic note you could level another class, craft, etc in between grinding to relieve some monotony.

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Originally Posted by Kiteless

I don't feel like I really rushed. I just played through the story. Granted, I had a few 'binge' days, but I didn't feel like I was running through things at blinding speed.

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I said it with a touch of sarcasm. I would suggest getting your gear in order and trying the hard mode Primal battles. However, I am correct in stating that other then those 3 battles and AK there's not much to do currently for max level jobs.

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Originally Posted by Whitemage82

Yup! There's nothing to except the 3 primal fights and farm tomestones since the bridge to Bahamut's Coil (Crystal Tower) won't be out until November. Congrats on rushing to level 50.

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I don't feel like I really rushed. I just played through the story. Granted, I had a few 'binge' days, but I didn't feel like I was running through things at blinding speed.

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Originally Posted by Whitemage82

Yup! There's nothing to except the 3 primal fights and farm tomestones since the bridge to Bahamut's Coil (Crystal Tower) won't be out until November. Congrats on rushing to level 50.

On less sarcastic note you could level another class, craft, etc in between grinding to relieve some monotony.

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bahamut's coil its on the game actually.. it has nothing to do with crystal tower

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Originally Posted by Mireillechan

bahamut's coil its on the game actually.. it has nothing to do with crystal tower

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You're not supposed to do BC until you get CT gear. You're basically skipping a whole set of gear progression and most people are not going to be able to accomplish that. So it's not worth commenting on.

You get 120(80T1, 40T2) tokens per run of amdapor, just going off memory i think you need 5425 tokens total to fill every slot. its more like 45 runs, if you run nothing but AK that is when you're not T2 capped, when you are, run castrum. Also a total full set of i70 isn't really needed the I60 stuff, isnt too far off it.

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Originally Posted by Kiteless

Topic title sums it up pretty well. would I be best off just quitting the game now?

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Yes! On another note that might concern you is that ive heard that we are expected to grind a day-job in the mmo of real life aswell to pay bills and our mortgages ><;;; im thinking about quitting in that also.

/wrists.......

(inb4: but this is an mmo and its meant to be fun, not grindy!) I disagree that everything in games should come easily or quickly always, a balance has to be maintained to some degree atleast so that those who choose to work on longterm goals might have something to show over those who dont care to gear a job to the best of their abilities.

Don't worry OP I mailed your Darklight set to you, check your moogle mail.

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Originally Posted by Whitemage82

You're not supposed to do BC until you get CT gear. You're basically skipping a whole set of gear progression and most people are not going to be able to accomplish that. So it's not worth commenting on.

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You're not supposed to do it? The fights gear requirements (they must not be that high) are accomplishable with an average ilvl of 70ish with some 80/90 pieces thrown in.

There are more dungeons than Keep. Castrum is better

Nope castrum is not better, its harder to handle 7 pugs than 3pugs

Darklight gear full set is basically common requirement for DPS to join titan hunt party in my server... so yup, you ONLY need to run AK for "64 times" before you can meet current standard requirement for some boss farming party!

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Originally Posted by Kiteless

Perhaps the game just isn't for me past this point?

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I agree.
If you dislike working hard(crafting/gathering) and running dungeons for your "gear" then I`m 100% sure this is not the game for you.

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Originally Posted by Alise

Darklight gear full set is basically common requirement for DPS to join titan hunt party in my server.

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not only on your server.

So 1 I will say get a good FC, and you will learn full DL isnt needed for titan, but it is nice to have, 1/2 darklight 1/2 AK is more then enough.

2, take your time, by the time 2.1 gets here you should aim to have had atleast 1/2 DL and 1/2 AK gear to start tower and further progression. At 2.1 I believe we will also see a few more lv50 dungeon content which will most likely give alternatives to AK.

Game is new, we are missing tiers of gear and to progress right now you must grind. just take your time till missing parts come out, or take a break from the game till it comes out if you do not like the massive grind that it is now.

The misinformation in this thread is appaling...

Why would someone need to wait for crystal tower, a 24 man raid, to get gear to do coil of bahamut...

CoB is an 8 man instance that drops iLVL 90 item sets. Tomestones of mythology buy iLVL 90 sets. Tomestones of mythology DROP in CoB. You do not NEED full ilvl 90 gear to start CoB. People are already doing CoB. Tomestones of mythology have only been available for what... 2.5 weeks. Cap is 300 per week. Yes, some people got extra, but they didnt get THOUSANDS. More like an extra 300-600 so thats one piece of ilvl 90. If they capped each time, they maybe have two or three cheap pieces. Or a relic weapon...

The ilvl SIXTY gear is uncapped. You can hold 2k philosophy, and they drop in several areas... Not just amdapor.

Why do so many people on these forums flip out over things that are not even true? This info is out there. I have never wanted to tell an MMO playerbase to lern2play more strongly.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen..._per_instance/

OP, THIS is the info you need. Please do not listen to the false crap about Crystal Tower, and only farming amdapor.

But the trash drops some gold now, just think of all the money you will make!

Guys you are playing MMO's not a single player. MMO are ment to be played over months not just 2 weeks and i have max gear, its not working that way. If you want everything as fast as possible MMO's are nothing for you and also plz leave the genre, i would love to have the old communities back.

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Originally Posted by Satyrn

But the trash drops some GIL now, just think of all the money you will make!

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Fixed now...

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Originally Posted by BrainWoodstock

Guys you are playing MMO's not a single player. MMO are ment to be played over months not just 2 weeks and i have max gear, its not working that way. If you want everything as fast as possible MMO's are nothing for you and also plz leave the genre, i would love to have the old communities back.

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I'm not expecting it to be quick. What I am expecting is for it not to be a chore.

But ... but all mmos are like that at release, you have plenty of variety after numerous patches, just ... I don't know, be less naive ? ^^

Crafted ilvl 70 gear with materia slots is better than Darklight btw....

The simple solution to this is do not pug. Spam for like minded individuals and make groups. With out speedruns DF AK groups will make you hate your life more often than not. Castrum may become an option now but if you get in a group with people who want to watch every cutscene you'll find it miserable to farm too. Before the flaming starts yes yes I know they have every right to watch the cutscenes. But I personally feel its rude especially since you can watch them in inn.

I have still not scene the cutscenes rom cape westwind to the end of the story. Still don't know what happen to vanished. I knew I could watch them in the inn. Why piss off people that are trying to help me.

I have still not seen the cutscenes from cape westwind to the end of the story. Still don't know what happen to gauis. I knew I could watch them in the inn. Why piss off people that are trying to help me.

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Originally Posted by Onolock

Crafted ilvl 70 gear with materia slots is better than Darklight btw....

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Yes, it is. At the same rate it also requires Tomestones of Mythology since some of the items requires for that can only be acquired with those

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Originally Posted by Kiteless

I'm not expecting it to be quick. What I am expecting is for it not to be a chore.

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This what I think people don't understand. I've done AK more than 50 times already which is a lot. Before the nerf it was boring but it was fine. 30 minute runs, no mindless trash grind, just boss kills. Not exactly fun, but not awful either. Now it takes 45 minutes to clear the place normally and they added more trash than there was before with no increase to rewards. It's a total grind that I only plan on doing 8 times a week for my cap on T2 tokens. Started doing CM and I feel bad for anyone that plans on running that for story mode because people are just 'speed running' it now too(myself included). This results in 100 t1 tokens for a mindless grind for about 50 minutes of time.

The problem? Variety and no surprise. For T2 tokens, if you want to hit cap every week, you need to do AK 8 times. Primals are not an option, even though they're basically more challenging, because they drop too few tokens. AK you run and you know you're doing it for just tokens, and after getting all the gear there, nothing can drop for you to better yourself. It's stupid. Primals at least you could get a weapon out of it but the token drops are so low it's not worth it.

Solution? Just increase token drops for Primals. Not by a ton but by a factor to put you on par with the same token/time ratio that AK would give you. That was we have more options to better ourselves and aren't grinding that one same dungeon over and over and over. I've said it before, just do 20/10 for ifrit and 40/20 for garuda. Titan can be 50/25-30. It would really allow people to farm something else other than AK and actually maybe get a weapon instead of passing on gear every run.

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Originally Posted by Satyrn

But the trash drops some gold now, just think of all the money you will make!

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I think it's comical in AK now when I see:
"You obtain 1 gil"
"You obtain 1 gil"
"You obtain 1 gil"
"You obtain 1 gil"

You mean Philosophy. Which you can do some castrum runs or buy the mats from the AH. Regardless, Darklight is not the only form of gear for progression.

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Originally Posted by Onolock

Crafted ilvl 70 gear with materia slots is better than Darklight btw....

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I currently need crafted earrings and bracer.

the earrings require 1125 tome of philosophy

the braclets require 2250 tome of philosophy

not to mention other materials as well.

As stated you can run Castrum... but currently, there really isn't much "endgame"

Rather than burning out running the same instance over and over, I turned to leveling gathering and crafting. Until they put out more endgame content, I wouldn't bother. The only thing at "endgame" right now are e-peeners, bleeding edge FCs, and of course- some legacy.

You aren't really missing much by skipping it at this point. Once the end game is more fleshed out, then it will be more engaging. They will prolly reduce the requirements on gearing for it as well, since that is when they will be prepared for players to really enter endgame.

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Originally Posted by Senzura

There are more dungeons than Keep. Castrum is better

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This.

Now Castrum is more effective to farm for Darklight Tomes. You can clear it in 30 minutes per run if you got an experienced group, gives 100 Tomes for Darklight.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

As stated you can run Castrum... but currently, there really isn't much "endgame"

Rather than burning out running the same instance over and over, I turned to leveling gathering and crafting. Until they put out more endgame content, I wouldn't bother. The only thing at "endgame" right now are e-peeners, bleeding edge FCs, and of course- some legacy.

You aren't really missing much by skipping it at this point. Once the end game is more fleshed out, then it will be more engaging. They will prolly reduce the requirements on gearing for it as well, since that is when they will be prepared for players to really enter endgame.

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I would recommend leveling more classes to 50, one of the best things ARR have is that on one char you can be every class/job. Are you bored of tanking? change to any DPS class. Are you bored of doing the same Dragoon Combos?, change to Black Mage, Summoner or Archer, ranged play quite differently.

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Originally Posted by Onolock

Crafted ilvl 70 gear with materia slots is better than Darklight btw....

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Only if it is HQ.

And now the recipes are even more expensive than darklight. I mean you need 7 cokes for a Darksteel Ingot!?!?!?!?, and each coke is 100 tomes?!?!?!?!? that makes Darksteel armor more expensive to farm/get, and makes no sense. I Rather get darklight instead.

Unless your from 1.0 and have tons of Coke left and can afford to blew a few trying to get HQ.

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Originally Posted by Veurr

The simple solution to this is do not pug. Spam for like minded individuals and make groups. With out speedruns DF AK groups will make you hate your life more often than not. Castrum may become an option now but if you get in a group with people who want to watch every cutscene you'll find it miserable to farm too. Before the flaming starts yes yes I know they have every right to watch the cutscenes. But I personally feel its rude especially since you can watch them in inn.

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You can fix that by getting a group that only wants to Farm Castrum. /tell a few friends, /shout for remaning spots and your good to go.

I understand where your coming from this game isn't everyone cup of tea just like it is actually a rare majority that truly 100% any final fantasy game. The game is a time sink by design and it is hard to skip steps in the pattern. But by all means do not stay and hope it gets better if it is litterally not entertaining at all just be willing to follow along the news so if it does you can jump back in. Now this might sound strange from a legacy players specially a pro SE one but waiting for the miracle patch to fix all your problems with the game hurts more and more the longer it doesnt come. So if the progression style is what your looking forward to and it is not for you then don't do it but if you still want to do the stuff after the unpleasant part then you will have to grin and bear (or complain on the forums) but it will have to be done. Best luck to you OP.

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Originally Posted by Elendil_Voronda

Only if it is HQ.

And now the recipes are even more expensive than darklight. I mean you need 7 cokes for a Darksteel Ingot!?!?!?!?, and each coke is 100 tomes?!?!?!?!? that makes Darksteel armor more expensive to farm/get, and makes no sense. I Rather get darklight instead.

Unless your from 1.0 and have tons of Coke left and can afford to blew a few trying to get HQ.

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Got to be a little crazy to be the best!!!