History repeats itself: Time for the Great Conjurer Nerf of 2011

The developers made the exact same mistakes with Conjurer that they did with Black Mage in FFXI. It's the nuking magic job with the same repertoire of broken abilities as before. It doesn't get hit with AoE. Now everyone who is flocking to conjurer is starting to complain about the petition to remove the sneezes, because they want even more power. They want Archers and Thaumaturges to be at a disadvantage so that they can swoop in and manaburn everything.

Stop the snowball effect before the solution to everything is 7 conjurers and a gladiator. You all know better than this, Square. You sat there and watched it happen to FFXI, and you're doing it again.

Nerf em. And leave Archers and Thaumaturges alone.

Conjurer? Please, they need to nerf Gladiator! Sitting there taking 1/5 the damage of my Conjurer, their sheild skill is WAY OP, on CON I can't even get a half-block to proc most of the time.

Hmmm should both this and "History repeats itself: Time for the Great Archer Nerf of 2011" are to be place into Battle Mechanics?

well if im wrong please do ignore this message <3

OK, we can nerf them too. I'm down with that.

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

Hmmm should both this and "History repeats itself: Time for the Great Archer Nerf of 2011" are to be place into Battle Mechanics?

well if im wrong please do ignore this message <3

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No, this is the proper venue for troll threads.

They should nef LNC too!! 3 hits and already 2k TP??? while my ARC just have 1k TP!!

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

Hmmm should both this and "History repeats itself: Time for the Great Archer Nerf of 2011" are to be place into Battle Mechanics?

well if im wrong please do ignore this message <3

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That post really has nothing to do with mechanics, and neither does this one. One is a political statement designed to attempt to gain control, while the other is demonstrating how ridiculous the original post's logic is.

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Originally Posted by Aion

They should nef LNC too!! 3 hits and already 2k TP??? while my ARC just have 1k TP!!

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BLASPHEMY!!! >:C

Now that I think about it...why can't I equip my hatchet, grab a few mining and fishing buddies and take down the endgame NMs. That's not fair either. Nerf everyone! That'll teach them for thinking they're better than me and giving me this inferiority complex!

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BMP!!

Thanks Tim!

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Originally Posted by RoninYabusame

The developers made the exact same mistakes with Conjurer that they did with Black Mage in FFXI. It's the nuking magic job with the same repertoire of broken abilities as before. It doesn't get hit with AoE. Now everyone who is flocking to conjurer is starting to complain about the petition to remove the sneezes, because they want even more power. They want Archers and Thaumaturges to be at a disadvantage so that they can swoop in and manaburn everything.

Stop the snowball effect before the solution to everything is 7 conjurers and a gladiator. You all know better than this, Square. You sat there and watched it happen to FFXI, and you're doing it again.

Nerf em. And leave Archers and Thaumaturges alone.

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Conj is already nerfed to hell, Granted I can hit 2500 dmg on a good Nuke with the proper Regiment, But that is truly the only way to do any real decent dmg on Conj. Most of the time I am Stuck Casting Burn II etc due to the 250 dot per tick I can yield when I stack all my spells. The rest of the time for the most part I am a Cure B**ch.

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Originally Posted by Elkwood

Conj is already nerfed to hell, Granted I can hit 2500 dmg on a good Nuke with the proper Regiment, But that is truly the only way to do any real decent dmg on Conj. Most of the time I am Stuck Casting Burn II etc due to the 250 dot per tick I can yield when I stack all my spells. The rest of the time for the most part I am a Cure B**ch.

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this. In what part of universe cnj need a nerf? They need a power up instead -.-
for the op: thm right now it's the most balanced job, they just need to nerf (or remove, depending to the new battle sistem) emulate, wich is broken.

I do not feel like I need nerfing. My flare is one of the biggest let downs in the game. I got it used it and nothing really happened for a while. The archer nerf was the big thing when they kill dobs in 2 hits, because other classes could not solo them, or even duo them in some classes.

I think Carpenter should be nerfed. it is OP!!!!

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Originally Posted by Len

No, this is the proper venue for troll threads.

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Quoted for truth.

For anyone who says Conj needs nerfing please check my comment

Are people really taking this seriously?

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

this. In what part of universe cnj need a nerf? They need a power up instead -.-
for the op: thm right now it's the most balanced job, they just need to nerf (or remove, depending to the new battle sistem) emulate, wich is broken.

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They need proper balancing not a power up, I just did my highest ever DMG nuke tonight well over 3k....

I like this thread, it's nice. :3

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Originally Posted by RoninYabusame

The developers made the exact same mistakes with Conjurer that they did with Black Mage in FFXI. It's the nuking magic job with the same repertoire of broken abilities as before. It doesn't get hit with AoE. Now everyone who is flocking to conjurer is starting to complain about the petition to remove the sneezes, because they want even more power. They want Archers and Thaumaturges to be at a disadvantage so that they can swoop in and manaburn everything.

Stop the snowball effect before the solution to everything is 7 conjurers and a gladiator. You all know better than this, Square. You sat there and watched it happen to FFXI, and you're doing it again.

Nerf em. And leave Archers and Thaumaturges alone.

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I understand what this is really referencing and it is not at all clever. Shut ch-yo mouth!

Hah i got this confused with the other thread. damn similar names...

If anything needs to be nerfed in this game, its Fishers. I mean, Fishing from ANYWHERE with water? why cant miners and botanists do something similar!!!

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Originally Posted by Reika

Hah i got this confused with the other thread. damn similar names...

If anything needs to be nerfed in this game, its Fishers. I mean, Fishing from ANYWHERE with water? why cant miners and botanists do something similar!!!

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EVEN XI WAS MORE BALANCED!!!11!!!1

proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTygkvS6c40

If there is one class in the game that needs to be balanced because it is overpowered it's cooking! They make food for goodness sake and who can't live without eating food right? The player base is at the mercy of the chefs. Nerf cooking!

To all of you Einsteins who wanted to see CON nerfed because you couldn't bear to see a stand-alone mage making it in the big bad world without someone to "protect us" (yeah right... WE protect YOU!... literally) ...you have my deepest gratitude, and I intend to show it to each and every one of you I see in dire need of healing and/or protecting as I figure out a way around this latest bait and switch pulled by SE. I used to be NICE to you people! I routinely healed and buffed complete strangers b/c I don't do "collective" play. However, thanks to all you CON-phobes and the usual "brilliance" of SE I can no longer afford the mp for a single leve battle, much less helping strangers! So much for fostering good will and cooperation...WELL DONE. I cannot, for my own reasons, hold up the responsibilities of regular play with a LS or "static" but I will tell you this much...I will play ONLY with OTHER Conjurers, because I will be good and goddess damned if I'll help ANYONE else in this game! You whine-bags cried rivers to SE until they nerfed us into what you thought would be submission, but you could not be more wrong. Perhaps I'll be forced to change my job to weak, ugly, broken, mixed up, darkness tainted THM (which will no doubt be next on the chopping block, as SE seems to have a never ending soft-on for magic users) and how that's gonna fit in with their goal to make SOMETHING, ANYTHING out of Gridania other than a story line that people like me liked I have ZERO idea. If they think destroying the only major job there is going to somehow help get Gridania more on the map I am not seeing their logic...but I guess I'd be more worried at this point if I DID see their logic. I think the lack of air conditioning is getting to them. I wonder how much of the aid we're all sending over there is actually getting to the working people...

A necro just to rage?

Please, mature a little...

since this update, Conj is now the... ONLY used mage in Dark Hold. Dark Hold = Conj party lol. They shouldn't have taken AOE healing away from the thaums until they introduced jobs.

you still need a thm for debuffs and to sleep mobs and dots.

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Originally Posted by RoninYabusame

The developers made the exact same mistakes with Conjurer that they did with Black Mage in FFXI. It's the nuking magic job with the same repertoire of broken abilities as before. It doesn't get hit with AoE. Now everyone who is flocking to conjurer is starting to complain about the petition to remove the sneezes, because they want even more power. They want Archers and Thaumaturges to be at a disadvantage so that they can swoop in and manaburn everything.

Stop the snowball effect before the solution to everything is 7 conjurers and a gladiator. You all know better than this, Square. You sat there and watched it happen to FFXI, and you're doing it again.

Nerf em. And leave Archers and Thaumaturges alone.

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But conj is the White mage

i find it funny that the people are complain are the people who level up Archers and THM let's see Archers was a overpower DD and THM was a overpower Mage. they did what have to be done class are for soloing not for party i don't know why people can't get this in there head 1.18 is the first step of fix and auto attack we still missing part 2 of auto attack and part 2 of class fix.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

you still need a thm for debuffs and to sleep mobs and dots.

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... Um what? You don't need thms at all. Conjurers can do it all like I have been this whole time since patch.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

you still need a thm for debuffs and to sleep mobs and dots.

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Unless you ranked THM and CON. Then you play CON with THM DoTs so you can still use Curaga and Chainspell Rebirth. Or at least, I do.

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Originally Posted by DGMart

... Um what? You don't need thms at all. Conjurers can do it all like I have been this whole time since patch.

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Less potent. beside curaga is only used if eye/mole hits you and you are not gonna use it at all during bosses.

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Originally Posted by Ayerc

Unless you ranked THM and CON. Then you play CON with THM DoTs so you can still use Curaga and Chainspell Rebirth. Or at least, I do.

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I have both at 50 and THM is way more potent in terms of dots , i still prefer to have at least 1 THM in a group

People kill moles in the r50 raid?!!! wink wink* :) Use THMs affinity on conjurer with plenty of piety and you're good. But if you use THM more power to you!

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

Less potent. beside curaga is only used if eye/mole hits you and you are not gonna use it at all during bosses.




I have both at 50 and THM is way more potent in terms of dots , i still prefer to have at least 1 THM in a group

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You may have 1 THM in your group, plus multiple conj because theyre more important now.

SE's design has still not properly evolved with the times - in that encounters are not designed well enough to counter one-sided parties. Sure you can argue that melee can stun and move and "help heal" (REALLY?), but you also damn well know that most people will simply take the path of least resistance (or most faceroll) and subsequently steamroll their way to glory.

The designs are just bad if they can't account for something like this.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

A necro just to rage?

Please, mature a little...

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Thank you so very much for making me laugh. Clearly I need it. For the record, if I mature toooo much more I'll be dead. I'm not the "usual" player. When you mature a little more you'll be less worried about appearances and just say what you feel in the moment too. It's very freeing actually.

Best wishes to everyone and happy gaming. My apologies to anyone offended by my "rage". I see it more as well-founded outrage, but I've been dealing with this kind of thing for a long time. I'm sure everyone will adjust or leave. I'm just disappointed that I'll no longer be able to play with the autonomy I need and so greatly enjoyed. They really had something special going for a while there. Take care.

Balancing is so obviously hard for SE. that "you're allowed one thm" comment cracked me up, why even waste the spot right, get three conj. /joke

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Originally Posted by Solfleur

Thank you so very much for making me laugh. Clearly I need it. For the record, if I mature toooo much more I'll be dead. I'm not the "usual" player. When you mature a little more you'll be less worried about appearances and just say what you feel in the moment too. It's very freeing actually.

Best wishes to everyone and happy gaming. My apologies to anyone offended by my "rage". I see it more as well-founded outrage, but I've been dealing with this kind of thing for a long time. I'm sure everyone will adjust or leave. I'm just disappointed that I'll no longer be able to play with the autonomy I need and so greatly enjoyed. They really had something special going for a while there. Take care.

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Sorry, I don't see how searching out a 3 month old thread to rage without paragraphs = mature. Of course, I also told you how I felt, without a block of rage.

This is neither here nor there, though, and I do agree the MP nerfs (or buffs? Not sure, depends on the viewpoint I guess) were harsh and are shoe-horning CON into a healing role.

EDIT: Of course, at least if you play a healer CON you can almost always get a party for a dungeon, and THM isn't too bad at healing as long as there's not a ton of AoE (so not in dungeons/NMs).