There won't be a "gil problem" after repairs are made cheaper...

Nobody seems to realize that everything in the economy was cut down to 1/10 of its original value. The whole point is that all of the numbers are supposed to be smaller, but people kept charging bigger in the beginning, so you have a bunch of people that blew all their money and don't know how to get it back. New players put enough gil into the system as it is, and we don't really need battle classes that bring in 100k a day just for killing monsters. Take a look at the price of NPC gear - you can get level 40~ gear for 5k~. Things weren't meant to cost so much. And please, do not mix up the two key points of the gil argument. A battle class who can't afford repairs because they squandered their gil has nothing to do with a "gil generating problem." It's not your job to "generate gil" at that point, it's your job to get existing gil. There is enough gil being generated by other players to support the intended price of things, you just can't blow it all on overpriced items. Discuss!

youre wrong. things just work out for you cause youre a goldsmith, good for you, but the game shouldnt revolve around all of us becoming goldsmiths.

I agree with your subject, once repairs are made cheaper, people will continue to make some gil while doing battle stuff to support the bare essentials. If they want to make more money to afford other things...well, that is what gathering and crafting classes are for.

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youre wrong. things just work out for you cause youre a goldsmith, good for you, but the game shouldnt revolve around all of us becoming goldsmiths.

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Do you really expect to be as rich as somebody who starts off as a crafting class? There's nothing imbalanced about it, that's just the way it's going to be.

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Do you really expect to be as rich as somebody who starts off as a crafting class? There's nothing imbalanced about it, that's just the way it's going to be.

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I dont see anyone saying that in any thread thus far on the subject. I dont want to be rich period, you can have all the numbers you want. What i do want is to be able to pay for my repair costs by fighting, and selling what i get from doing so.
Currently, this is not the case, players are forced to do something they dislike doing(crafting) in order to continue enjoying the game.
This is bad game design, and one not done in most mmo's for a reason. When players can't do what they enjoy, they quit playing (IE: paying)
You enjoy crafting, and can sustain yourself doing so, we enjoy battling, and cannot sustain ourselves doing so. This is an issue, and one SE clearly agrees with.

There wouldnt be a problem if we could still seek repairs from other players like we could in 1.0.

The cost was simply a respective grade dark matter and a negligible amount of gil.

(And gear didnt completely break every 2-3 levels as a DoL.)

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I dont see anyone saying that in any thread thus far on the subject. I dont want to be rich period, you can have all the numbers you want. What i do want is to be able to pay for my repair costs by fighting, and selling what i get from doing so.
Currently, this is not the case, players are forced to do something they dislike doing(crafting) in order to continue enjoying the game.
This is bad game design, and one not done in most mmo's for a reason. When players can't do what they enjoy, they quit playing (IE: paying)
You enjoy crafting, and can sustain yourself doing so, we enjoy battling, and cannot sustain ourselves doing so. This is an issue, and one SE clearly agrees with.

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All the battle class players I know have 300k+ at 50. What did you spend all of your gil on? And like I said, "when repair costs are cheaper." So what are you trying to say?

Fixing repair costs won't change the fact that everything in the game is worthless.

There's no justification in an expectation that someone who isn't willing to invest time and effort into leveling a gathering/crafting profession should make out equally. If there was, no one would bother. It's an investment for a reason.

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Fixing repair costs won't change the fact that everything in the game is worthless.

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And yet you still play it.

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All the battle class players I know have 300k+ at 50. What did you spend all of your gil on? And like I said, "when repair costs are cheaper." So what are you trying to say?

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You are either lying or don't have many friends. My money all went to Castrum Meridium runs, which net you a 1.5k repair bill every single run, and that's if it goes smoothly. The chests within don't even give bronze pieces to vendor towards the cost of repairs.
Add in Primal fights and other endgame activities, and you are bled dry in a couple days. This is not an isolated I-spent-all-my-money situation, as is clear from the amount of posts on the topic on this very forum. All besides the crafters and those still questing are getting low on money in my sizable FC.

They should just add daily quests that give an appropriate amount of gil for these lvl 50's who can't sustain themselves.

Wouldn't reducing teleporting costs have been useful as well, surely an obvious item I would have thought to reduce costs.

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I won't deny that you might eventually get low on funds, but again, I'm arguing about after the repair cost is lowered. Not to mention, there are definitely items that you get in dungeons that can be sold for a lot of gil. I had to spend 20k for one pinprick pebble on several occasions. I'm sure these items don't just rain on any one person, but the items are out there if you knew what to do with them.

why are all these ppl complaining about money... you are in an mmo driven by an economy - if you think you could play this game without even needing to worry about money you have not been paying attention, or this is not the game for you. this is also a good reminder to those who zerged their way to 50 and paid no attention to other nuances of the game that they are doing something wrong.

Though this argument has been done to death, i get what people mean, and why what your saying basically isnt exactly going to be the perfect solution (lowering repair costs). Gil gets drained from the game from just about everything (selling on markets, repairs, teleports, buying off NPCs..ect) how much money is brought in is lower than that which is typically brought back in. I can be loaded out my bum from selling and crafting, but that doesnt bring a red cent into the game, it just takes someone elses gil and brings it to me, while the market takes a cut.

People are not worried about blowing gil on some high end item (that happens all the time no matter what) people are worried that over time the gil amount that exists in the game in total will slowly drop to a smaller and smaller amount. Does it make your gil worth more? yep, but not to an NPC that removes all that gil and has a static price attached to it.

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not what he was talking about gain some intelligence lol they ment selling item to npc is worthless. LOL.

Roric isn't saying the game isn't fun. Just that most of the items in game are pretty worthless themselves. I've seen this argument a lot and what people don't seem to understand is while gil generation is an issue.


Let's assume for a moment that we battle classes manage to break even after today. So what are we buying from you? Our relic base and some Materia which is easily funded by the story money. After that we get AF and start farming darklight, your gears are way worse than anything we get for free and minimal effort at that, we can't use materia on our gear. We also get items you need in the form of materials we can indeed make market money with. If you can't sell us gear, items we need, or materia, what do you sell to us after the relic base? Everything you have holds little to no value for us =/. We battle classes are just a big hole in the economy, we currently as of this moment generate no gil, but we certainly require a lot of your gil to break even. So if you take a pure battle class at 50. It goes like this.

Gatherer Sells to Crafter, or Crafts themselves, Crafter then sells to fresh story player or other crafters, Crafter buys Materials from endgame 50's, Endgame 50's then send the gil to the void with repairs. And it just continues like that. There has to be some incentive to give a Crafter money after you start getting tomes. Otherwise. Yes we will drain gil from servers without even trying .

It get's even worse if you have a fully self sustainable 50 with gathering, crafting , and battle. They provide for themselves and just play the market, they make gil from it, but have no real reason to invest into it since they can do it all themselves.

Most everything in the game is inexpensive. People seem to think that this means money is worthless, so they spend it frivolously and then demand more.

People rushed without building up reserves of wealth or a means to obtain more.

People probably spent money where it is easy and enjoyable not to do so, teles instead of chocoboports and gear npc's instead of lower level dungeon runs.

However, these peoples complaints have still been heard and there are changes in the works.

This game is enjoyable, intuitive and accessible. However, none of that will be enough for the person who wants everything now.

Wrote a long ass post. Not sure if I want to post it yet. But I just want to say, anyone using pronouns in a discussion of macroeconomics is doing it wrong. If you don't understand what I said, or why this is, what you're about to post probably has no relevance to the actual discussion. Either way though, since SE is addressing this, it kind of proves that the deflation concerns were warranted.

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Gatherer Sells to Crafter, or Crafts themselves, Crafter then sells to fresh story player or other crafters, Crafter buys Materials from endgame 50's, Endgame 50's then send the gil to the void with repairs. And it just continues like that. There has to be some incentive to give a Crafter money after you start getting tomes. Otherwise. Yes we will drain gil from servers without even trying.

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Finally someone who actually understands the crux of the problem. All of the crafters that keep spouting off with "get a gathering profession" or "play the auction house" just don't get it. If battle classes can't make a reasonable amount of money (ie profit) then they have no money to SPEND on your crafted items. So at 50 all of the battle classes that are raiding will just horde their money to pay for repairs...so that 300k that everyone has after leveling to 50...repair fund. Just wait until more than 10% of the player base is at level 50 and see what happens.

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They should just add daily quests that give an appropriate amount of gil for these lvl 50's who can't sustain themselves.

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-Leves done by a level 50 Battleclass reward 300-500ish gil a piece and can be finished in under 5 minutes. You're leves will stack to 99, so you can do them at your leisure.
-DM can be purchased with company seals or gil, and it's prices are also being adjusted.
-Gear repair costs are being lowered.

So between leves, selling (even to NPCS) your drops, etc you should be able to sustain yourself.

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Finally someone who actually understands the crux of the problem. All of the crafters that keep spouting off with "get a gathering profession" or "play the auction house" just don't get it. If battle classes can't make a reasonable amount of money (ie profit) then they have no money to SPEND on your crafted items. So at 50 all of the battle classes that are raiding will just horde their money to pay for repairs...so that 300k that everyone has after leveling to 50...repair fund. Just wait until more than 10% of the player base is at level 50 and see what happens.

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I know, this is hard, but you don't need to ever even touch DOL/DOH to have gil. Take your shiny sword or wand...and go out and kill things, lots of things. Then, sell those things to Crafters...there are mats that only drop off mobs. They are needed they are worth something. But see, most 'Battleclass' people don't even want to take the time to do that. They just want to grind dungeons endlessly all day and expect dungeons to make good gil AND good gear. It's one or the other.


The real problem is this: the game is 2 weeks old. And there are brand new players with their first level 50...no other jobs/classes leveled. No DOL/DOH. Who didn't even stop to take time to farm mobs for stuff to sell on the MB's who now are rushing to get Relics and other 'endgame' treasures. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that maybe, just maybe the post 50 High-end content wasn't really aimed at new, 2-week old players.

And before this becomes personal wealth vs. game/server wealth. Every time you kill something, and it drops something you can sell to an NPC, that is also game generated wealth, only this time, you decide if it's sold to an NPC, crafted by you into something you can use, sold to another player etc.

-Lastly, the game is not 'done'. As time progresses, new quests and areas etc will be added. More gil will come into the game. So all you really need to worry about is your 'personal' wealth. And again, if you are a 'new 2 week player' Take a 1-2 week break from endgame and level another class/job or DOL/DOH...or heck, even just go farm mobs for drops for 1-2 weeks...normal, run of the mill mobs. ...but stop whining that the game doesn't reward you with the best gear drops AND the best gil rewards from the same activities...because that's not how MMO's work. No matter what anyone says, the real problem is this: They rushed to endgame, bought/farmed gear they weren't ready to afford and never tried to make actual money in the game first. People who rush like this, also have tendency's to over-use teleports, and fast travel, and tend to overpay for items on the MB's because they are too impatient to wait. All of these behaviors=no money.

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People who rush like this, also have tendency's to over-use teleports, and fast travel, and tend to overpay for items on the MB's because they are too impatient to wait. All of these behaviors=no money.

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People like this are how crafters/gatherers make money...you obviously don't understand that.

If everyone was patient and farmed everything themselves then nothing would sell on the MB. If you want a functional PLAYER DRIVEN economy you need people who want instant gratification.

At 35-100k a mat. The game does reward me just fine for my activity with gear and gil. But gil from you. Which just gets sent to the void since you have nothing to give me. I'm the one selling you the materials you use. All the gil you give me just goes nowhere. That's the problem .

Even if I generated gil positive where would it even go? Just my repairs. There's nothing for me to buy on the market board at all.

Crafters should be able to make something we want, that we can't easily attain an equivalent or better with less work than they spent making the item. Materia should be allowed to be melded to Unique gear. Any other ideas?

Well like I said, at that point, it's not up to you to "generate gil" for the server. You going broke from sending gil to the void doesn't equal the server running out of gil going into the void. Not everyone is going to be handling their gil the same as you, and not everyone thinks there's nothing to buy on the market board.

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Well like I said, at that point, it's not up to you to "generate gil" for the server. You going broke from sending gil to the void doesn't equal the server running out of gil going into the void. Not everyone is going to be handling their gil the same as you, and not everyone thinks there's nothing to buy on the market board.

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Did you not read ? I never said I was going broke. I'm making more money than anyone else. There's just absolutely nothing for me to do with it other than send it to the void. How in the world could I go broke from selling you the materials you need for your items, and never buying anything you make because its worthless to me?

Anything you make I get a better item from 4 runs at the least of Castrum. Which is very easy to do and the only thing consuming my time is Duty Finder. Anything I sell you barely takes me two speed runs of Ampador. Sure I spend a lot of money on repairs. But playing the market I still make a ton of money. But the ton of money I make just sits in my pocket waiting for the void.

No one has to think like I do to see that AF is enough to get darklight everything. For the lazy people who need instant stats, of course those people would buy from you, but it only holds them over till Darklight, which is far too easy to obtain.

After obtaining it they don't need anything else from you. Or can't use half the stuff sold.

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Well I would go back to read it again, but you edit every post you make... several times... and I wonder if you even read mine? It's good that you are sitting on money, but you don't represent everyone. A lot of people do think crafted items are better, and they pay for it - even the endgame stuff. But again, any one person doesn't really matter all that much. So you don't want anything I'm selling? What does that have to do with the original topic?

My personal wealth is pretty good atm, as I'm gathering and selling materials to crafter and using their money to make my repairs for lvl 50 dungeon runs. However this hurts the economy because I'm pretty much throwing all that gil into the void and it's never to be seen again. So that's money that other people worked hard to acquire that I just threw away. Most people don't understand the problem with this is because their personal wealth is blinding their eyes and can't fore see the future. As I continue to do this, the economy will soon become dry of gil.

I know what I'm doing is a bad decision as I'm slowly throwing gil away but I find it better to show that the economy is slowing going to disappear so players ignorance to the problem can finally come to light. Some people can only see the problem when it's knocking right on their front door. If I have to forcefully cause this problem to arise for the ignorant to see it, then so be it.

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I edited because I missed the last part of your post and saw it later. We also have a 1000 character limit so sometimes I have to edit to you know.. Post the rest of my post?

Anyway it's not that I don't want anything you have. It's just worse than what I get for free, with like zero effort. Also last time I checked you can't make AF, and you can't make Darklight, You have some 50 Accessories, And in the time it took me to make the money for your Accessories I'd have enough tomes to replace them.

I read yours, First you called me broke wanting gil. This is not the case. I don't even need it. You're the only one who needs anything in this relationship. Without materials you can't craft or make money. However I can go through a dungeon far better with Darklight Earrings that took a few short and sweet dungeon runs to get than I can with your stuff.

What is has to do with this thread? You take money, then you give it to me, then I give it to the NPC or just sit on it. That's how it'll wind up for most 50 battlers. If that continues to happen where does the money go? It disappears. It's funny. I'm suggesting that you guys deserve a better end of the spectrum because we have it far too easy.

See what I did there? Had to edit to get past the limit.

Reduced costs get implemented (Yay!)

I kill a level 49 human mob on my level 50. It MIGHT drop 2 gil (we'll say it does). I still have 1 gil repair on every piece of gear I'm wearing.

Reducing costs will help, but it doesn't address the issue of the game lacking the means of creating consistent gil generation (playing the market only shifts wealth).

tl;dr They are shoving a suture on the wound, but we still need to get some stitches.

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Reduced costs get implemented (Yay!)

I kill a level 49 human mob on my level 50. It MIGHT drop 2 gil (we'll say it does). I still have 1 gil repair on every piece of gear I'm wearing.

Reducing costs will help, but it doesn't address the issue of the game lacking the means of creating consistent gil generation (playing the market only shifts wealth).

tl;dr They are shoving a suture on the wound, but we still need to get some stitches.

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Well I mean. In this scenario you'd generate tons of money doing leves and hests. If the repair cost gets reduced decently there wont be an issue other than complete laziness.

The concern is not people being poor or rich. The concern is currency deflation as a result of having numerous means by which to basically "Burn" money in a bonfire and completely take it out of economic circulation and very few ways as a level 50 to actually create/print new money.

Crafters will hopefully buy mats of various sort from the drops accumulated from DoW jobs. That would be ideal.

Also, a DoW could do a DoL job where they are again producing somthing to sell to the crafters.

So crafters are not supposed to be the only people making money on the MW.

Whether there is sufficient mats/drops to sell on the MW for these DoW to farm and acquire. Im not sure I havent experience that part of the game.

Spiritbonding, mats, drops, leves, hests, dungeons, primals. These are some ways to create money in game by using a DoW. Some from other players some from the game.

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Well I mean. In this scenario you'd generate tons of money doing leves and hests. If the repair cost gets reduced decently there wont be an issue other than complete laziness.

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And by tons you mean an average of 500 gil per leve (HQ proc 1,500 gil) x 6 per day for leves. Let's say that's 4-5k average. Hests are great the first time... I can't see myself repeating them... we'll see though. For arguments sake lets say we do one a day... can I expect 2K?

Now, in full darklight I go and help my friend get through their final story as a level 50 (both 8 mans) because I'm an amazing friend (yay)! The current repair cost is 1,500 - 2,000 in Caestrum with no deaths. So we'll double that.

I've I'm going leves to break even I'm sad. And, personally, I'd rather use the leves to help level my crafting professions. If leves are my answer to my battle classes generating gil now I'm stuck in a rut where I can't easily level up any crafters. (It's not my fault the leves aren't split between battle, field, and crafting... everything else in the game is judging by the merchants).

I could sit there and grind certain mobs that drop certain things on an alt job just for exp and to make my repairs cheaper and sort of level then (or my chocobo). If I've learned anything in asian developed MMOs it's stamina for killing 5,000 tigers in a repeatable quest (thank you Silkroad). But then I'm selling to crafters and competing with bots that undercut like crazy as well.


I'm waiting to see what the repair cost is ultimately. I'm not even struggling for money myself at the moment (no I'm not legacy) but at the same time I'm not going out of my way to spend gil... which is stifling the economy. I've also watched cluster crystals go from 10K a pop down to 500 gil. I'm watching other unspoiled nodes drop from 2K to 400 gil overnight.

I can only interpret that gil starved gatherers are undercutting each other like crazy because they have a desperate need for some gil. Meanwhile when I try to maintain a median price based on demand and history on anything it's halved before the day is through. That's the way the way the ball bounces but it's a bit shocking to me. The economy has far from stabilized. It's a good time to get our pre-relic! Last week they were 200K. Now I look and they are 15K. Why on earth would I ever want to buy anything on the market with that wide of a spread XD.

I started to level some crafts because the gatherers apparently lack common sense and depth. They are selling components to items for like a combined cost of 1K while the crafter is selling the end product for 10K... and at high end 50-150K for HQ.

Clearly crafting is where the money is since the gatherers are engaged in ravenous undercutting wars. But then again they are selling to battle people that will eventually not need anything aside from their relic weapon and melding on that.

Sure you could go the HQ crit crafted 5 materia slot IMPOSSIBRUAMAZING sets, but good luck affording those ;P

I tangent-ed. But I'm ok with that.

Crafted items are the best items of their level. -.-

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Yeah I'm in no rush to buy anything either. There isn't really anything worth buying for those in Darklight anyway. If we could actually use materia we'd have a reason to pass our money around other than repairing but right now. There isn't much reason to. I've also seen undercut wars on my server as well.

As for your example well I mean don't you think you should have to choose between making money for one day or leveling a different class that same day? It's just a simple choice of what you want to do with your allowances, Like whether you want gil or whether seals are far more important to you. If you're leveling a brand new class without any prep before hand then that's kind of a problem. =x Like a battle class has full ability to get every unique from a dungeon for other classes if they run them enough. If you're gonna break into the world of crafting you got to be prepared to make that leap.

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Why do I need though when the items I get thru quests get me to cap just fine. At cap, AF gets be to endgame. At endgame, I can farm Darklight and AF+1 without touching HQ gear or spending any money on anythign crafters make.

But wait, now I'm losing money, I guess I'll craft o make money and have EVEN LESS a reason to buy from crafters. That makes perfect sense! (sarcasm).

When crafters tell other people to pick up a craft, you are basically telling them "Do not buy my products, make them yourself." That is logic that I'll never understand.

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Yeah I'm in no rush to buy anything either. There isn't really anything worth buying for those in Darklight anyway. If we could actually use materia we'd have a reason to pass our money around other than repairing but right now. There isn't much reason to. I've also seen undercut wars on my server as well.

As for your example well I mean don't you think you should have to choose between making money for one day or leveling a different class that same day? It's just a simple choice of what you want to do with your allowances, Like whether you want gil or whether seals are far more important to you. If you're leveling a brand new class without any prep before hand then that's kind of a problem. =x Like a battle class has full ability to get every unique from a dungeon for other classes if they run them enough. If you're gonna break into the world of crafting you got to be prepared to make that leap.

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Well if you see a crafter over here making all this money and posting on forums that they make so much money are you going to spend your leves on becoming a rich raven crafter or scrape up some gil from this leve that doesn't level anything. Battle leves seem to give pretty lack luster rewards in general.

The initial guildhest rewards are amazing (both for exp and gil). Repeating them didn't seem so amazing. Perhaps SE could reset the guildhest bonus like weekly with maintenance... or even monthly if weekly is too often. That would generate gil.

I'm trying to take guildheists seriously because after doing Titan HM and then doing a guildhest I felt like I went from training for the Olympics in space against souped up aliens cyborg things back into the kiddie pool with arm floaties. XD You'd think that the hard content would throw a bone at your head in some way as well. Even if it's comparable to guildhests.

Its amazing to see how many people don't understand what is being said. We aren't saying we have a hard time making money, or are going broke.

The problem is that people obtain their money by leveling in the game, and doing quests. These quests reward you with gil, and metal pieces worth money (tin, bronze, silver, gold). Once players have completed their quests, there is NO way for them to obtain more money that DOESN'T come from other players (i.e. selling on the market board). Well, that is sort of a lie, you can do guildleves but they give such a pitiful amount of gil it hardly counts. Once everybody in the game has completed all the quests, there will be no more gil, except what is brought in from new players, which won't be enough to keep the economy afloat. And once there is no more gil being generated from quests, it will vanish. People will buy items from NPCs, they will teleport for high costs, the Market Board will take a cut from purchases. Once this happens enough, there will be less gil in the world than there used to be.

The main issue is not enough ways for gil to be generated into the world. Granted, its not a HUGE issue yet with the game being so new, but some players are beginning to feel it already. Dungeons at my level (35) STILL only reward you with tin pieces in chests, a measly 25 gil a piece. Repairs would cost more than that for the dungeon, and that kind of money isn't even worth the time to sell to a vendor. Monsters don't drop money, or at least not often or in large enough amounts. The one time I've seen money drop was for 2 or 3 gil. NPC Vendors don't buy any items for any sort of value. Most items to them are worth 1-2 gil, with HQ items being worth around 11 gil. THESE are the issues that need to be addressed.

Personally, I've hoarded all my metal pieces. I know its probably harmful to the economy, but I'm not hurting for cash at all seeing as how I've spent at least 50% of my time leveling gathering and crafting classes. I figure I'll hold on to them as sort of a rainy day fund, if I ever get really short on cash. All in all I think I have around 60k in metal pieces in my inventory, never having sold any of them, except one stack of tin when I got 99 and another stack started building up.

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This 1000 character limit is killing me, seriously...

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Don't wear your 'best' gear to farm/do leves.

Again, when the game gives you a 'hippocerf skin' that isn't gil, but it has an npc value (meaning it could generate wealth for the server if you npc'd it)...but it also has a 'trade' value. A value other players would pay you on the MB's for your time killing and farming it...and that cost usually DOES cover your repair expenses.

Also, you are in a darklight cowl....as a new player, in week 2. I can promise that their are sidequests, missions, other classes etc you could be leveling/doing to earn small profits.

But still, it boils down to this. Manydon't want to farm, they haven't leveled a DOL/DOH, but they've overspent and now it's costing them. Take 1 week. Just 1 week. And go farm, and burn up leves on an off-class/leveling a DOL/DOH. At least do this until you make up the costs you spent over-raiding endgame as a new player.

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As to the undercutting:
That is simple really. Last week: Few people knew where these nodes were/their spawns and how many items they could get each spawn. Furthermore, it required a high level DOL and decent gear to be worth the effort/doable. You are on a new player server. You just didn't have many rank 50 DOL's so of course they could charge whatever they darn well pleased. But then, competition happened. MOre people now know the spawn times, etc and can get the mats. The HQ versions however, are still very rare. So yeah, prices dropped....they were WAY overpriced to begin with. I can get like 3-5 of most of those items per hit (I think it works out to 15-40 items or something) every hour. Oh...and people are overfarming them...because they thing high level=best profits. Prices will end up dropping too low, people won't be selling them anymore, then they will go up a bit in price and finally then the markets will start to stabilize. (Just so you know Crawler Cocoons are about 300ea on my legacy server...so really, your price is about right at 400 ea).

It also hasn't helped that people can't create new characters on all servers and some people are selling because they are running out of storage. They are just throwing things up for 'quick sales'.

Lastly on this: SE intended on this game operating under 'lower pricepoints' They don't what players to be spending 20-50mil on a relic base weapon like we did in 1.0. 200-500K is more what they think such gear should be worth. But players, use to seeing bigger numbers just aren't getting it. Really if you can make 5-15K a day in this game, you're doing aokay by SE's standards and should be able to afford most things at most times.

TL/DR Beginning game market woes...and beginner player rushing to endgame problems.

PS: Peaches. When you get an Aldgoat Skin, GLA HELM (grey tier), cotton boil or tin piece, that is also the game generating wealth. Just because you didn't get gil for killing a dodo doesn't mean you didn't get something for your time. If you npc that drop item, you will get gil. If you do a quest, you get gil. The game will add content. Point is. You get gil.

Furthermore. EVERYONE can do the quests and get gil...then they can spend it. And not everyone is in this game for 5k repair bills every day. Some players really will spend months, just grinding leves and such. The server has money. People complaining about this simply don't know how to keep money for themselves. Or don't understand...'duh the MB's are wonkers, it's a new game economy' SE is fixing the repair costs.

Lastly: I think they are purposefully starving the economy atm. Once we get a couple pataches/new content, more gil will probably be rewarded. 1.0 had too much gil, given too freely. Until some 'legacy' gil gets burned (which really should be the only people footing 5k+ repair bills atm), and until SE knows the players won't be selling and buying normal things for 6 figures, they are going to keep it tight. They can add quests that rain gil at any time...they are choosing not to.