The tank we want

Post the tank you want the most and why when you play as healer
(blue or red thing for the moment)
just personal choices.

Mine as a sch is War, with all the buffs up i see Physick feel no shame againts a cure II, and when he has only his hp buff all i need to do 1 lustrate which has no cast no cd(that 1 sec seems like 0) and well managed, you always will have stacks up and ready for recharge.

To be honest I don't really notice any difference. Well, almost none. WARs always break CCed mobs. It's not too much of an issue with 2-3 pulls, but when they pull 4 or 5 then go out of their way to hit obviously slept targets I want to smack them upside the head.

I also prefer Warriors. Only for the fact that all Warriors I've played with seem to be able to hold threat much easier than Paladins. Plus with their huge amount of HP, it makes my Stoneskin more effective.

I've healed both as a white mage, and aggro issues aside, I've found I have to pump more mana into a Warrior then a Paladin of equal skill and gear. However I am also very biased toward healing the Paladin because I run dungeons with my FC/Linkshell mates, and the person who plays the Paladin, I've known for about 8 years. However in solo que dungeons I have noticed that Paladins tend not to use all of their abilities to hold aggro, and Warriors are usually superior in this case.

PuG PLDs tend to be awful players. Maybe I just have bad luck, but I cringe every time I get one when playing BRD. I'm 21 on GLD, and I think I've lost 1 mob for a total of about 3 seconds in all the instances I've tanked combined, but most people in DF just seem 100% incapable of playing their class.

My ideal tank... anyone who runs TOWARDS ME when I cast protect or stoneskin, not away. Seriously, it's not gonna hurt, encasing your body in stone. You'll thank me for it later!!!

I remember the first time I ever used duty finder for the Ifrit Trial. I got a Gladiator who could not keep aggro off of me for than 5 seconds, and I wasn't even over healing or anything. Then again for my first Duty finder for Cutter's Cry I got a paladin. He didn't have threat for a single pull during the entire run. And even during the spider boss, we kept wiping as soon as minions spawned because they scattered everywhere. The only way we could do it was for all 3 of them to never stop attacked the boss, and I literally ran around the outside ring for 2 minutes with a trail of monsters behind me.

Probably a bit biased because I have a good Paladin in my FC but I prefer them as a Scholar. The Warriors that I've healed require much more MP to maintain, with their health drops being so spiky requiring me to use Lustrate much more often. With a Paladin that is good at managing threat I have to use Lustrate maybe once out of the three Aetherflow charges, allowing use of Sacred Soil or boosting my MP some.

Its hard for me to say. I would have to go with Paladin as I find myself able to do other things such as cc and dot without worrying about spike damage. This is assuming they can hold aggro. I will say that I have not seen Warriors with that many aggro issues. So pros and cons to both in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Reinfeld

To be honest I don't really notice any difference. Well, almost none. WARs always break CCed mobs. It's not too much of an issue with 2-3 pulls, but when they pull 4 or 5 then go out of their way to hit obviously slept targets I want to smack them upside the head.

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They hold aggro by doing aoe attacks on whole groups. So you can't sleep mobs for them due to their class mechanics.

The one that wears robes and is full str, met one on a dungeon run as a WHM and you can guess how well that went.

I'm only in my low 20's on my CNJ, but I've noticed that marauders seem to need more healing over gladiators. I really haven't formed to much of an opinion any one way yet.

So far I had more problems with Warriors then Paladins. I find they're more fragile so need more heals and also have more problems at keeping aggro, from my experience.

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Originally Posted by YukiKoneko

My ideal tank... anyone who runs TOWARDS ME when I cast protect or stoneskin, not away. Seriously, it's not gonna hurt, encasing your body in stone. You'll thank me for it later!!!

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I am with her. Even at lvl 46, I find people just start running once everyone is out of cutscene opening the instance. I don't understand this. Maybe I should just cast protect once every 30 minutes, if you don't get it its your dumb for taking off before buffs. We cant buff before everyone is out of cutscene because people in it won't get it.

I thought I liked warriors, but im reevaluating after last night. I got in a Brayflox group right before the maintainance hit, with a warrior tank. He held aggro great, but I had to spam Cure like crazy to keep him up, I was on half MP after almost every group and completely out by the end of each boss. Is this a normal thing?

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Originally Posted by PetiteMalFleur

They hold aggro by doing aoe attacks on whole groups. So you can't sleep mobs for them due to their class mechanics.

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I can hold 4 mobs agro with one slept in the middle of the group and never wake it. They need to tab use enmity combo's and cross class flash. It's just most warriors only know how to spam overpower

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Originally Posted by BrodyAlgana

We cant buff before everyone is out of cutscene because people in it won't get it.

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Yeeeah I hate people who run away before you cast Protect :/ It's not like people doesn't know about that skill.

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Originally Posted by Vanroe

I thought I liked warriors, but im reevaluating after last night. [...]

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Not sure, but I started hating on warriors cause of Brayflox as well. When I complained in FC chat (since the tank was the only DF one) about how much healing he needed even on normal foes I've been told it's normal for Warriors. But I also remember running it with a good one and he didn't need that much healing by far so...<.<

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Originally Posted by Vanroe

I thought I liked warriors, but im reevaluating after last night. I got in a Brayflox group right before the maintainance hit, with a warrior tank. He held aggro great, but I had to spam Cure like crazy to keep him up, I was on half MP after almost every group and completely out by the end of each boss. Is this a normal thing?

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No I'd say that warrior wasn't using his skills correctly. A good warrior uses self heal skills throughout the fight and uses his larger ones after large hits to assist the healer. He should also have the gladiator skill that increases incoming heals that and the wraith buff you should heal him more than a paladin but not a excessive amount more.

Think it depends on the player and how we treat the tank.

If we treat a skilled/geared Warrior like a skilled/geared Paladin, we're going to use more MP.

A Warrior has a few self-healing abilities, but if we work with the Warrior in such a way that he doesn't have a reason to use these, we will use more MP. The catch is that a Warrior may decide to use their Wrath stacks toward Unchained (I think that's the move) versus Inner Beast.

Much the way a Paladin may not see a need to use mitigation abilities if Stoneskin stays refreshed, as there is less a perception of taking damage, so the need to use the abilities isn't as apparent.

I think crowd control with Warrior can be tough unless he gets to use Flash at least once. The way it might go is, Warrior pulls, Overpower, if White Mage, Fluid Aura and Repose. If Warrior needs additional enmity, position in such a way that the AoEs will not hit the CC, then use Flash to buffer the enmity over the White Mage (if Flash missed).

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Originally Posted by Vanroe

I thought I liked warriors, but im reevaluating after last night. I got in a Brayflox group right before the maintainance hit, with a warrior tank. He held aggro great, but I had to spam Cure like crazy to keep him up, I was on half MP after almost every group and completely out by the end of each boss. Is this a normal thing?

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It also could have been the poison that shit wrecks us if it's allowed to stack up.

I want three things from my tank (IDC what class at all):
1 - focus on defense more than HP... I've had a couple higher HP tanks which seemed to mean they had lowered defense and took more damage, required more healing, and I had more aggro.
2 - Know what your limitations: if you pull to groups of mobs and I can keep up, go right ahead, if you can't pull one group of mobs without CC then be careful!
3 - Pay attention to me (okay this one goes both ways) but I want the tank to be aware of whether I'm keeping up easily, or hes almost dieing every pull, or he's losing threat

Well below 40, it's Warrior all the way. It seems until Paladins get Shield Oath, their enmity is pathetic and their mitigation is low whereas Warriors will hold threat on anything and you can keep them up with little healing.

From 40 to 50, it's the complete opposite, Warriors require a few Cure II and constant care while Paladins require little healing. In terms of enmity, they are pretty equal in this bracket.

So far at 50 in AK, I prefer Warriors, simply because they make the run go faster. Otherwise they are equally good. In Primal fights, it's hard to compare because Paladins are usually main tank, but I had a main tank Warrior for Garuda once and it was fine.

By the way, I know these are just observations, but at least, unlike the bast majority, I used a lot of dungeons to level and learn my class. I did every dungeon between 5 to 10 times.

I want a ninja tank with utsusemi so i cant take a coffee while we fight bosses.

This may have already been mentioned but a good trick for WHM with a MRD/WAR tank who is using CC is to use Fluid Aura to knock the target back then mez it, this lets the MRD/WAR use Overpower without fear of breaking CC.

Warrior can generate much more enmity in a short time.
If you want to grab attention fast --> War , otherwise --> PLD.
Boss --> PLD as they have silence and stun w/o cd. Except for some boss. Another reason is being that warrior can pick up adds more quickly than pld..

You might feel healing a warrior is tiresome, yes war need more heal from healer than paladin since there aspect is different
PLD = Mitigation through shield block & Defense.
WAR = Self Heal & HP pool.

To heal a warrior better, you first have to know what warriors are capable of, and when are they gonna use their self big heal.

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Originally Posted by PetiteMalFleur

They hold aggro by doing aoe attacks on whole groups. So you can't sleep mobs for them due to their class mechanics.

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Not with a good warrior, the only reason is that they don't know whether someone will sleep or not. So basically right after 1st pull, good warrior will judge play style of party members and act accordingly.

I don't really have a preference for any class, I just like a good tank. That said, I think there is observations to be made.

Most importantly, a bad PLD >>> a bad WAR. I've not played either job, but just looking at toolsets shows me that paladin toolset is a lot more compact. Its hard to mess up. Empirical data seems to support this. Warriors seem to have more buttons to press, and as a result, some people don't even bother. For instance, the amount of times I've had warriors help me out with their self healing after a major damage spike is extremely limited.

FFXIV is in the honeymoon period for me. But even still, I've never been one for elitist class preference. So ill take whoever I can get to tank for me.

On trash, warriors because of threat.

On bosses, PLDs are just way better assuming they have even a basic understanding of how to use their defensive cooldowns.

I like marauders/warriors on scholar purely because it just fits their lore :D Plus it seems all the tank friends I have are warriors. Aside from that I dont have a personal preference on the job, so long as they both hold aggro, pick up adds, move out of avoidable aoe and dont be rude to other players.

I dont mind which tank I have in group, but judging from my DF experience, the PLD pick-ups are usually crap in 75% of the cases, where I havent had any crap WAR tank so far. So when I see a PLD in group I am usually very cautious at the beginning :/

My ideal tank? I'll leave out "generates threat, doesn't stand in fire" as that's the primary function of the role. My ideal is:

Someone who explains fights to new people,
who marks the kill order,
and who respects CC.

That's all I need to be happy.

So far as I've seen, healing for a Warrior or a Paladin hasn't made nearly as much difference as healing for competence or idiocy.
Recent Example: I've popped queues for Aurum Vale 4 times so far as healer, and not once have I finished the place.
1. Insta-queue tank bombed out before the opening cinematic finished, leaving us stranded and back at the end of the line...
2. I was forced to choose my dignity and a desertion lock-out on account of perhaps the WORST tank I've ever seen in an MMO
*After 3 pulls into the dungeon -- Not a single Taunt. Not a single Flash. Attacking only 1 mob per pack, leaving the rest orange and free to munch on my face after the first Cure 1.
*2 wipes later, DPS says "healer sleep mobs". I left them to rot in their stupidity.

I don't care if you're Warrior or Paladin...if you keep me alive, I will thank you by doing the same.

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Originally Posted by Kyreanna

*2 wipes later, DPS says "healer sleep mobs". I left them to rot in their stupidity.

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I Repose like a fiend, but I'm always with DPS who can't obey marks. At least your DPS asked.

Zero difference so far in all the dungeons up to 34

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Originally Posted by Winzhi

Zero difference so far in all the dungeons up to 34

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They get a lot harder after 34.

While competence is definately most important in a tank, I think I still like Paladin over Warrior, Warrior is kinda spiky damage sometimes. Paladin seems more smooth - healing is more predictable. But again, prefer a competent Warrior over fail Paladin any day ;0

I haven't really checked who I'm healing, so can't really tell. Geez, after hitting 30 it takes a while to get runs so I don't really mind what I'm healing as long as the person is decent :P

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Originally Posted by Bridgeburner

I Repose like a fiend, but I'm always with DPS who can't obey marks. At least your DPS asked.

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That's funny. I did aurum veil as a Pld in a PUG the other night. The Blm had a nice marco that told the party a mob was being slept AND marked it.
3rd pull in, the mnk starts attacking a slept mob again (did this on all 3 pulls). Blm asks the mnk to please not attack slept mobs

Mnk: "It challenged my authority"
Blm: "Please just attack what the Pld had marked and is attacking"
Mnk: "Are YOU challenging my authority?"

I swear, I can't make this crap up..... should have taken it as a sign for the run....

I take back what I said about Paladin>Warrior. Average Paladin>Average Warrior but a Competent Warrior is something great to have, I had the chance to see. They're just rare since it's an harder class to play then Paladin, from what I understood.