Future Job Ideas

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These are just my speculations about future secondary jobs. I had gradients going but the darker colors took precedent and it conveyed the wrong ideas. Basically, I was thinking Samurai could be a DD that could off tank very well. Knight would have tank status, but be able to deal pretty good damage with counter attacks. Also, as I mentioned before, this was an old image. I also had Chemist going into 2 un-named classes that would throw vials. (One Debuff and one Healer) This could maybe start the DoH requirements making it get extra skills for having a higher Alchemist if people really want to go that route.

EDIT: I used the wrong image. I had fixed this, but the requirement for Black Mage is Archer. XD

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Originally Posted by Vid

As long as the Ninja doesn't have to rely on consumables to actually tank I have no problem with them becoming a tank. FFXI Had the problem where 1% of the actual Ninja tanks used their tools like there was no tomorrow, and they were awesome tanks. However for the rest of the 99% they barely used any tools, if at all, and failed miserably.

The rest don't look bad, although when I think of a Dark Knight I think of 2 handed weapons, not 1. Of course I'm a little biased since my EQ and FFXI days.

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In my mind the Dark Knight was intended to be more of a caster. I was thinking they could cast magic with their free hand. Meh. lol

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Originally Posted by Deedsie

I do not see Red Mage in there.

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That's because I made the Dark Knight very similar to Red Mages. xD

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Originally Posted by Anonydort

ninja as a tank? yeah, no. never again. terrible thread

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Why is it such a bad idea? It didn't work in FFXI I know, but if the skills were used masterfully, it was a pretty darn good tank. I think a good evasion tank could really switch up the game play. Require less healers as his whole goal is to not take damage at all. Coming from Pugilist it could get Second wind to restore any damage it DOES take. In theory you could not need a healer at all in pre endgame dungeons with a ninja tank.

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Originally Posted by MrSmiley

I would rather see Dancer come form pug as a healer (I notice you include no healers) and templar from lancer (similar idea though) as tank. Samurai seems a little off coming from mrd, Id rather berserker as DD and have sam/nin come from more proper classes later. I agree with sniper/ranger (probably be labled ranger) sorc is an interesting idea. I always thought we could maybe get geomancer from con, but if we did we would want sep job weapons ( like you also mentioned). The theme is close, just the weapon off, unlike say the sam idea where both are off.

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I could actually see Dancer being a Buff role (if buff and debuff became roles) rather than healer.

As long as the Ninja doesn't have to rely on consumables to actually tank I have no problem with them becoming a tank. FFXI Had the problem where 1% of the actual Ninja tanks used their tools like there was no tomorrow, and they were awesome tanks. However for the rest of the 99% they barely used any tools, if at all, and failed miserably.

The rest don't look bad, although when I think of a Dark Knight I think of 2 handed weapons, not 1. Of course I'm a little biased since my EQ and FFXI days.

I so hope samurai comes in, Loved that class.

Its a nice start but I'd rather they stick to the formula they had in FFT. It just seems to make more sense to me. I have not played FFXI but I liked the fact that in FFT to unlock DRK you needed to kill 50 enemies and have a Black mage and Knight maxed. Also the Dark Knight should use great swords to give them a more glass-cannon feel. It would make their life drain a very important role in staying alive. Good work and fingers crossed that the DRK and SAM returns because that is my most fave classes in any game period

I hope they bring back Puppetmaster and Beastmaster from FFXI. I know they weren't the most popular but, they were still really fun to play.

I do not see Red Mage in there.

damn that chart was a lot of work for no reason.

I would rather see Dancer come form pug as a healer (I notice you include no healers) and templar from lancer (similar idea though) as tank. Samurai seems a little off coming from mrd, Id rather berserker as DD and have sam/nin come from more proper classes later. I agree with sniper/ranger (probably be labled ranger) sorc is an interesting idea. I always thought we could maybe get geomancer from con, but if we did we would want sep job weapons ( like you also mentioned). The theme is close, just the weapon off, unlike say the sam idea where both are off.

edit: I would alos like to see a class with bst and blm as its jobs :P one tames, one learns them

Red and Blue Mage would be interesting. Perhaps they could expand the Job system to make 3rd classes by requiring 2 Jobs at certain levels (30/15, 30/30, 50/25, or 50/50). And yes I mean jobs (2nd classes, like BRD), not classes like THM.

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Originally Posted by Marxam

Its a nice start but I'd rather they stick to the formula they had in FFT. It just seems to make more sense to me. I have not played FFXI but I liked the fact that in FFT to unlock DRK you needed to kill 50 enemies and have a Black mage and Knight maxed.

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Was very similar in FFXI, in fact you had to do a specific quest to become a Dark Knight that required you to kill so many enemies using a 2 handed sword. You could not kill the enemies by any other means except by using the sword for it to count toward the total.

FFXI had various quests to unlock all of the classes, but unlike here, they weren't in the form of a crystal that you equipped over your current class, they were completely separate classes and started out as level 1. Summoner was not a starting class in that game, you had to actually unlock it at level 30, and then you could play your summoner starting at level 1.

I know it's gotta be coming eventually, but I'm really looking forward to a non-Bard job for my archer. Virtually anything would be more exciting, but a ranger or sniper seems to make most sense. That being said, with a musketeer-like class looking like it's pretty much a guarantee, seeing as how there seems to already be a spot for the guild in the game, I can see just scrapping my advancement in the archer class and making that my main once I'm able.

I like speculation like this. I have a feeling Samurai an Ninja will come to the game, but I doubt they will come before an expansion pack. I could see a new city state w/ a more eastern aesthetic as origin places for them. At least that's how I'd like to see it handled. Right now they don't really match the aesthetic or world of the game's setting currently.

The only problem I see with MRD being Samurai, for example, is a Samurai with an Axe would look kind of silly. Not to mention the base skills wouldn't mesh very well with the class.

Same with Pugilist turning into Ninja. Though I like the idea of a Pugilist based tank, I think it would work best if it kept the flavor of pugilist (i.e. hand to hand to hand fist weapons).

and having a Dark Knight in game that uses 1 handed sword and no shield would leave them really low on stats, given the way the game stats out one handed and 2 handed weapons.

You can't really have a jobs that require weapons which basically aren't in the game currently, it doesn't mesh with the armory system at all.

Game really could use 1 more healing job and 1 more tanking job though. And 2 jobs per class would be great. I just don't know how we could fit another healer into the whole system.

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Originally Posted by Hachiko

Game really could use 1 more healing job and 1 more tanking job though. And 2 jobs per class would be great. I just don't know how we could fit another healer into the whole system.

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I'm thinking a few more base classes wouldn't be bad that could then in turn have different jobs that extend out from them. Thief being one of the staple classes in any Final Fantasy game was just completely left out of this one, which baffled me greatly. Red Mage as well, but at the same token we did get the Arcanist first, where as typically any summoning type class in previous Final Fantasies were not found/unlocked until later.

I do agree though that we need more healers and tanks. But like you I'm not sure where the particular healing class/jobs would come from and/or how they would heal.

ninja as a tank? yeah, no. never again. terrible thread

No Thief? I would rather PUG also go to THF (Thieves do steal stuff with their hands), and have a new class that could be NIN or SAM. Or, I guess it could also make sense if THF was the class for NIN at least.

A Musketeer could go to something like a Corsair/Gambler and Chemist, even cooler if Chemist could be tied into Alchemist.

Shepherd could go to Beastmaster or Tamer.

I'd also love to see a Geomancer/Elementalist and Blue Mage, though not sure from what.

No love for jobs based on DoH or DoL T_T

I'm putting this in every thread like this I see. We are pretty much guaranteed to get the traditional classes from past FF games (THF NIN RDM etc) so why bother continuing to bring them up. I would prefer to come up with new and original ideas for jobs, something they may not have considered.

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Originally Posted by ZakarnRosewood

Jobs for the DoH and DoL that specialize them.

EG:
Culinarian - Pastry chef
Armorer - Heavy Armorer
Botinist - Lumberjack

Also new DoL/DoH classes
Shepherd (for choco raising)
Gardener (for growing your own stuff at your house)

For the DoM and DoW I want to see something unique to this world
Aether Knight (uses crystaline armor)
Aether Mage (uses crystaline rods)

Also I would love to see Advanced Jobs (Class/Job/Advanced Job)
Thaumaturge - Black Mage - Black Wizard
Marauder - Warrior - Knight

I would love to hear people expand on these ideas, it's much more interesting to think of instead of the usual "Want redmagez!" These are coming, just be patient. Lets give them ideas for new things, stuff we might not see.

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I'd love to see:

Swashblucker: Pug 30 + Fisherman 15

Pirate: Archer 30 + Fisherman 15

Bombadier: Archer 30 + Alc 15

I think they should have some Jobs require the crafting professions to add an interesting spin on things.

I was gonna ask about an orator job but then maybe that could be for musketeer because I remember orator used guns.
So they can talk shit to bosses and it debuffs them and/or say a string of words to aoe buff allies like strength or whatever.

I know Dark Knights ha two-handed in XI, but I like the idea of the more traditional sword+shield kind as seen in IV. I know Yoshi said he wanted DK to have two-handed, and that he said it would be the counter of the Paladin as in be a GLD job. But if you make a GLD a two-handed user, you lose alot of attacks like Lob and Bash, and it just doesn't make sense to me.

If I had my way on it, I would make it 30/15 GLD/THM, and have the story line of it be that the Flame General himself is in reality a DK (look at the sword and shield he carries) and that is how he managed to take on and win every fight. Maybe make it that it is some lost order, the Lefthand of the Sultanate. Dark warriors who where the wrath of the sultan.

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No Red Mage, Don't Want

My only problem with your post is that you have all the new jobs coming from current classes. This kind of stuff will take SE months on end to make and take players 1 hour to fully unlock because they most likely already have the base classes at 50...

The problem I see with the list is a matter of justification. Dark Knight is the DD's DD (seriously, nothing could out-damage a Dark Knight). As such, having it branch from Gladiator doesn't make much sense. If anything it should branch off either Marauder or Lancer (preferably Marauder), though sub-class of Thaumaturge is the most fitting. And Ninja was never a tank job, it was a DD job that could tank (poorly) like Monk, as such while I can see it based off Pugilist, I don't see Gladiator as a sub-class. Archer seems more fitting to Ninja as a sub-class.

if there was a new class I would like it to be THF, with THF + PUG you could make NIN (1handed katanas), BLM + LNC could make Darkknight (Scythe weapon), THF + MRD could make SAM (great Katana/2handed swords) but I guess that would need to be looked into, THF + ARC for RANGER (Lonbows only), THF + CON for Dancer? (Dual bladed weapons or dual weapons), also what we already have can be some other classes possible, but what I would like the DRK to have is Scythe rather then Great Swords, because you can make the great sword go for SAM. ofcourse you can have WHM + BLM for good Old RDM (rapeirs? Duelist weapons) who would focus on only astral and umbral spells like banish/dia/bio along with enchant weapon skills.

Dark Knight, 1 HANDED??? No thx.

I want to see SAM come back, DRK, and NIN. The current DPS class, I don't like. Melee I should say since BLM is technically a DPS class.

Dark Knight would likely require a new class utilizing a 2 handed sword. One could look at the FF Tactics A2 Lanista to be said class, requiring Thaumaturge as the sub class to unlock.

Ninja tank again? No thanks, its was a stupid concept that should not happen again. If there is an evade tank it should be Samurai. Ninja would be dps.

I would like to see more hybrids with changed up gameplay mechanics.

Name:
Templar's (or something)

Requirements:
Paladin + White Mage

Description:
The Templar's believe in self sacrifice to protect their allies. Donning heavy armor. Their role in the party serves as a Healer/Support.

Gameplay:

• Auras: Templar's casts group auras on their allies to absorb percentage of the damage they receive as well as provide healing over time.

• Holy Seals: Create seals on the floor which allows Templar to greatly heal while standing within the seal. Allies receive a reduced heal, but also gain small def.

• Marks: Templar's can mark enemies to reduce the damage dealt or increase damage receive.

• Prayers: Pray to one of the 12 deities. Only one prayer may be activated per group. Each one providing a diff benefit.

Templars have some White Mage abilities though their direct heals are weaker.

Weapon:
Divine Gauntlet, for prayers and weaving spells through hand gestures.

Level 3 classes make sense here, to me. White Mage + Black Mage + some DoW = Red Mage, for example. I do like some of the other ideas tossed around. And I totally agree that DoH & DoL classes should be used for some Level 2 classes!

If it's sticking FF theme, I want to see Gun Mage, like Yuna (FFX-2) which could be advanced job for Archer.

My future Job idea is to get rid of the class system and focus soley on jobs.

And as for Knight, we already have lol.
Check the JP version of Lodestone, Paladin there is called Knight

Nice ideas, i was thinking something similar sometime ago.

Conjurer - Geomancer (Dps job for conjurer)
Thaumaturge - Necromancer
Archer - Ranger (Pure Dps for Archer, with a dps limit break)
Marauder - Dark Knight (Dps job for Marauder)
Lancer - Templar (from FFTactics serie, Tank job for Lancer)
Pugilist - Puppetmaster
Gladiator - Onion Knight (Dps job for Gladiator)

I could see Thief and Ninja branching off the same base "Rogue" class, alternatively Ninja and Samurai may branch off a base katana wielding class, one being a Dps the other being a tank.
Red Mage and Blue Mage may share a base "Spellblade" class while Corsair could easily come from the famous Musketeer class.

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Originally Posted by IlSire

I could see Thief and Ninja branching off the same base "Rogue" class.

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This sounds nice. Though perhaps the base class could be something other than "rogue" as the name is just.. worn out. Footpad, or something? I dunno.
The base class could wield a single dagger, whilst adding the Thief soulstone allowed an additional equipped to the offhand. Ninja would allow either a katana (single, or dual wield?) or perhaps dual wield sais or something.

The other ideas that are floating about I particularly like are the lance/shield types or the "level 3" jobs such as Black Wizard.

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Originally Posted by Theref

And as for Knight, we already have lol.
Check the JP version of Lodestone, Paladin there is called Knight

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was looking for this post! thanks savior. w

Love the idea. Better then the "our characters need bigger butts" thread.

Beastmaster (BST): Weapon: one-handed axes/shields Main Function: Tank/DPS
BST can call upon Familiars (animal spirits) to fight for them. Each familiar should have its own skill sets that bring new abilities/functions to the party. The one difference between BST and SMN could be the way the BST interacts with its familiars. BST could possibly be shamanic-like and have the ability called "Fusion". Upon activation the summoned familiar is absorbed into the BST (thus leaving the battlefield) giving the BST different affects. This fusion is permanent until deactivated.

Raptor: skill speed+20%, crit+10%/ HP-10%, TP combat regen-20%
Ram: Str+20%, Def+10%/Crit-20%, skill speed-10%
Turtle: Threat+60%, HP+20%, Def+10%/Crit-30%,
Drake: Regen, Fire Att. Pot:30/skill speed -30%, Str-10%, Crit-20%
Antlion: TP combat regen+30%, Poison Att./skill speed-30%,HP-20%

Just some ideas (balancing wasn't taken into account too heavily!)

It would be really cool to take the BLM mechanic of fire/ice balance and apply a similiar function to the RDM class. Possibly have RDM constantly struggling between light/dark energies. Since white magic was founded to help combat black magic. Basically by casting black magic spells you move more into a DD mode and by casting white magic (healing) spells you move more into a healer mode. Of course you would need to give them the infamous Doublecast ability! I thought it would be neat to give them an ability to instantly switch between max DD mode and max heal mode but that would be OP. Of course give RDM access to rapiers/shields.

This is my last idea for now(aside from adding in some sort of skill tree or ff10 sphere grid for further character customization; I dislike being exactly like the other jobs in my FC xD!)

Assuming this is just OrganizationXIII's thread, I'll offer a bit of feedback / constructive criticism.

1. Main weapon changes are a no-no. There are several reasons for this: first, you would have to redo every animation; second, you would have to work around equipment restriction and somehow equip a soul and a weapon simultaneously; and third, your class design and stats would be totally broken in the process. It's best not to assume wide weapon changes, instead using existing weapons in new ways.
2. Dark Knight would have to replace every shield skill (lob, swipe, bash, bulwark) due to being completely unusable without a shield, not to mention that all of your tank-specific abilities (provoke, flash, SB/RoH, rampart, sentinel) would be pretty pointless. You'd end up with 5 weaponskills and one ability and nothing else at all as a base -- not much of a job. I agree with Dark Knight as a job, but the design needs more thought. Drain won't do it.
3. Nevermind Samurai not working out with respect to weapon, I think your bigger design issue here is that there is no "slow" in FFXIV. GCD sets a lower limit on attack rate, which means you've got MRD's BB combo as a baseline. You could use a generator like Wrath, but then you're mimicking the other job for the same class.
4. Pugilist skillset to tank job? Now that I'd have to see. Feather-light armor, low VIT, positional requirements on everything, and the only abilities which suit a tank are cross-class for WAR. I don't see this one happening in any sense. The class skillset makes it pretty much impossible regardless of weapon restrictions.
5. Sniper is generally called a Ranger in Final Fantasy, and accuracy/crit is what it's always about. That one is pretty much a given -- 99 to 1, it's going to be Archer's second job already. :)
6. Sorcerer would work, though it has fit into the existing Astral/Umbral setup. Could limit curses by cycle -- curse on Umbral, burst those curses for damage spikes in Astral cycles. Just one way you could do it.