Scholar/Summoner and Chest loot

Both level together. level one you level the other. If your summoner is your main but has 1h+ waiting que well I personally use Scholar and nver wait longer than 15 minutes. So what happens if my main job weapon drops.

I can't need it. I can use it. I want to use it. I need it for the main I do stuff with. However because of the glut of DPS jobs people love I have to use Scholar rather than stand around doing nothing for hours on end becuase Chocobo is locked away.

Why rage now? Finally beat Garuda. Finally. Summoner main weapon dropped and went to a Dragoon who wasn't even leveling the damned job. And what was truely insulting? She apologized. If you're gonna feel sorry about doing something on purpose. DON'T DO IT.

This is punishment for taking healer spots when you not even serious about healing. decide on your damn job and stick to it.

The need/greed system is stupid in this game anyway. It's a system designed for games where you can only play one class per character in one where you can play all of them in one. People who switch to tanks and healers should be rewarded for lowering queue times for everyone, not forced to add yet another attacker to the queue because you have to be on it to roll need.

At the very, very least they need to add a tier between greed and need for "need on another class/job" so you can at least lot ahead of people who are just going to give them away for GC seals.

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Originally Posted by VanillaH

This is punishment for taking healer spots when you not even serious about healing. decide on your damn job and stick to it.

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There is no such thing as "taking healer spots." The duty finder is waiting on tanks and healers. For everyone that plays one of each of those, two more people queued as DPS get in. The more people staying queued DPS because they can't get the gear they want otherwise, the worse the situation is for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino

People who switch to tanks and healers should be rewarded for lowering queue times for everyone, not forced to add yet another attacker to the queue because you have to be on it to roll need.

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I like this...

So punish DPS for actually waiting 1 hour and they can't even roll on anything.

Since healers aren't nearly as rare as tanks, tank should have most superiority.. We should just give all tanks "Master Loot".. only if the tank thinks we deserve to an item we get it or he can just take it for himself.

when you use duty finder there should be two options

1: which job you come to the dungeon as

2: which job you get to need roll with

i decide to queue as tank, i want my blm weapon

i get to need roll on blm things, i cannot need roll on tank things

i decide to queue as bard, i want my scholar book

i get to need roll on healer things, i cannot need roll on bard things

make sense?

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Originally Posted by Joeking

I like this...

So punish DPS for actually waiting 1 hour and they can't even roll on anything.

Since healers aren't nearly as rare as tanks, tank should have most superiority.. We should just give all tanks "Master Loot".. only if the tank thinks we deserve to an item we get it or he can just take it for himself.

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Not even close to what I said.

The point is this:
Let's say you have a tank which is already decked out in the best tank gear dungeons/bosses have to offer. You also play a job which has to queue as DPS and want to get equipment for it. Given the current system you have to queue as that DPS job in order to have any hope of getting the equipment that drops; if you enter as your tank job you'll be forced to roll greed with everyone else who can't equip it and just picked that to convert it to seals or if they ever level that job, etc.

You are now one DPS in a veritable sea of them waiting on more tanks and healers to queue up. If you were allowed to get something for your DPS job while still playing your tank, not only would you get in nearly immediately, but so would two people queued as DPS who have probably been waiting for an hour or more. Not only that, but your party would likely fare better given that you're already decked out in good gear, rather than playing something you need the drops on to be better.

More people joining as tanks and healers means more runs for everyone (at least to a certain point), but the way the system is set up now discourages people from doing so and encourages everyone to make the problem worse by joining as the job they want gear for. For people actually queuing as DPS, yes you might have more competition for drops, but you're also no longer waiting two hours to even get into the damned thing.

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Originally Posted by Vmage

when you use duty finder there should be two options

1: which job you come to the dungeon as

2: which job you get to need roll with

i decide to queue as tank, i want my blm weapon

i get to need roll on blm things, i cannot need roll on tank things

i decide to queue as bard, i want my scholar book

i get to need roll on healer things, i cannot need roll on bard things

make sense?

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That system isn't fair if there is only 1 or 2 items per boss. Even less fair when there are only 4 players (or 8) going for that 1 item. Imagine if you wanted healing gear as a healer, but half of the DPS also chose to get gear for healer. You'd have 5 people going for 1 item, severely hurting the person who wanted it for their main spec that they queued as.

It works better in a system like WoW's LFR where loot is individual. Loot is not individual here.

It's fine the way it is. If you want a piece of loot for a class/job (even a parallel job for the same class) you enter the DF as the class and job you want that loot on.
This is the fairest system. Sorry that DPS spend a long time in the queue. There are many reasons for this, but it comes with the class/job's territory.

Otherwise, greed and hope for the best.

Yeah, I agree. There's no reason to change the system. lol

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Originally Posted by Tsukino

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What you describe says abuse. So I will que as a under-geared tank have DPS and healer pull my weight while I tank badly to get equips for my "main" class? This is the inevitable outcome.

I take it the OP actually said something before the item dropped? "Hey guys, I main SMN, but jumped in as SCH so we all didn't have to wait forever and could get a run going. If the SMN book drops, could everyone pass so I can still get it?" Sure, you'll still have your derps that roll greed anyway, but at least it is a precursor and you'll likely have more chance than having said nothing at all.

That, or be some what social and go in with a premade or something. Next we'll have to implement something that takes into account how many runs you've been on and have that as the deciding factor for who gets the item when multiple classes need it. Two DRG in the group? Well this one has been 24 times and you've only been 23 times, so the other guy gets it by default. Sound fair right? No?

So I should abandon my Scholar completely. Fine.

Ah, someone posted when I did. Yes, in fact I did say something. A few said they already rolled greed. All they had to do was leave. The responce I was given. Leave it up to god.... really. That was the person who got it then insulted me by apologizing for it.

or you should play your scholar instead.

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Originally Posted by AreeSoothsayer

So I should abandon my Scholar completely. Fine.

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As a summoner you put your bonus stats into INT correct? Which makes you a less than optimal healer already... unless of course you spend all your Seals re-specing...

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Originally Posted by AreeSoothsayer

So I should abandon my Scholar completely. Fine.

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You're supposed to play something because you want to play it, not force yourself to play it because you think you have to.

If you don't want to play Scholar, then by all means abandon it. It's no concern of anyone else's.

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Originally Posted by AreeSoothsayer

Yes, in fact I did say something. A few said they already rolled greed.

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Ah fair enough; I had a similar situation where the SMN book dropped and had a couple of other non-ACN based classes roll greed, however I also didn't say anything until after the book had dropped. Although I tend to find myself in pretty much full pre-made groups these days, if there is even one random/pug I'm sure to mention that despite coming in as SCH, I'd still like the SMN book if it drops (and no one else needs it). Sometimes communication works, and sometimes people derp are still screw you over.

I was unaware that people's greed rolls became invalid once they left; would it have been an option to wait out the 5 minutes for everyone to leave?

Don't get me wrong. Scholar is somewhat enjoyable. Keeping others alive. However I much prefer summoner, no matter how much they mangled the awesome primals into their mutated forms they have now. I will keep with it in the hopes they may fix it or someone points out how to Dat switch. Then I'd wait for someone to make mini versions of the real primals before I toss those egi forms out the door and enjoy the real thing.

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Originally Posted by Jynxii

Ah fair enough; I had a similar situation where the SMN book dropped and had a couple of other non-ACN based classes roll greed, however I also didn't say anything until after the book had dropped. Although I tend to find myself in pretty much full pre-made groups these days, if there is even one random/pug I'm sure to mention that despite coming in as SCH, I'd still like the SMN book if it drops (and no one else needs it). Sometimes communication works, and sometimes people derp are still screw you over.

I was unaware that people's greed rolls became invalid once they left; would it have been an option to wait out the 5 minutes for everyone to leave?

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Nah if the timer hit's 0 then it nulls you out and rolls the others. As for saying it beforehand. Been trying almost a week to go past Garuda with most of the fails due to Bail outs on first whipe. I kinda got tired of repeating myself.

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Originally Posted by Joeking

As a summoner you put your bonus stats into INT correct? Which makes you a less than optimal healer already... unless of course you spend all your Seals re-specing...

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Vitality actually. I dunno how many times I've survived AoEs with less than the 300 Hp those 30 points bought me.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino

People who switch to tanks and healers should be rewarded for lowering queue times for everyone, not forced to add yet another attacker to the queue because you have to be on it to roll need.

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I'm a tank so I have no issue about this topic at all, but if this allows me to roll on a DPS gear, you've got yourself another problem.

Though seriously, this is how I vision that statement:
"Since nobody's cooking yet, let me get this dinner going. But because I went out of my way to cook, I'll have the food for myself if it turns out good. If it's crap, nobody can eat them anyway. In short: you don't get to eat."

I'm sure a lot would rather wait than having to run the dungeon while having reduced chance on the drops.

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Originally Posted by Joeking

I like this...

So punish DPS for actually waiting 1 hour and they can't even roll on anything.

Since healers aren't nearly as rare as tanks, tank should have most superiority..

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don`t be hating healers dude :)

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Originally Posted by Veillette

I'm a tank so I have no issue about this topic at all, but if this allows me to roll on a DPS gear, you've got yourself another problem.

Though seriously, this is how I vision that statement:
"Since nobody's cooking yet, let me get this dinner going. But because I went out of my way to cook, I'll have the food for myself if it turns out good. If it's crap, nobody can eat them anyway. In short: you don't get to eat."

I'm sure a lot would rather wait than having to run the dungeon while having reduced chance on the drops.

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Though I don't like your analogy at all, I can see how there can be a difference of opinion here. As someone who has been queuing DPS I'd rather just get in and have a chance, even if that chance is 1/3 instead of 1/2, instead of waiting. But I can see how someone would rather wait while crafting or doing whatever else and then get the higher chance once they finally get in.

In that case, I think adding a level between need and greed for people who can use it but not on their current class/job would be a happy medium. This would let you lot ahead of someone who's just going to use it for seal fodder or for something they might maybe, someday level, but still puts you behind whoever waited as that role in the queue, if that's important to people.

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Originally Posted by VanillaH

This is punishment for taking healer spots when you not even serious about healing. decide on your damn job and stick to it.

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It's not like the ability to switch jobs at a moment's notice is built into the game or anything.

Honestly. Why not just let each person loot the chest for personal drops? There's those coins that randomly drop to a random person. So opening a chest for each person would either give them coins to sell for money for repairs or a random piece of gear for one of their jobs. Having random gear drop isn't a problem in this game since you can be every job. As for the Primals. You've got the totem thingies that can be traded in to that npc.