Clearly off red, still getting hit hard

Not sure where to post this, but I am still seeing lag issues between when I run off of red areas and when the mob still hits. I was in Brayflox's Longstop fighting the dragon, and it took several tries for our party to complete it. I remember paying close attention, and I was clearly not in the red when the dragon hit, yet I still was getting 800+ damage from his attack. Several times in a row, his red area would show up, I would get the heck out of the way, and BAM! still hit. On normal mobs this isn't bad as a few hits doesn't bother me, but in a boss fight where every hit counts, this is frustrating.

My friend tells me when this happens to me, on his screen I am still in the circle. Seems to be server lag. AoE needs a reworking imo.

It's because player location in relation to AoE attacks is all handled server side, as opposed to every other game in the history of ever, which has something like this done clientside. Essentially, it means the game has built in lag.

I know this was a big issue in the beta forums and it was said it was being addressed. Do you think this is due to the server issues they have been having and they plan to correct this?

wait til you hit titan... i had to pick a fight at 3:30 am to minimize lag lol

Oh gosh, I did Titan last night, and we had to go through it eight times because someone inevitably was smacked off because they couldn't get out of the way in time (though they stated they were clearly off the ability's area). I had a close call once with this ability, and I was also knocked off even though I was out of the area. Very frustrating!

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-everybody%29

I really hope they don't forget about this and expect us to deal. This is the #1 issue I have with the game right now.

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Originally Posted by Kiteless

It's because player location in relation to AoE attacks is all handled server side, as opposed to every other game in the history of ever, which has something like this done clientside. Essentially, it means the game has built in lag.

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You don't want it all client side. This is how you get teleport/speed "hacks". Do a check and revert maybe.

Same problem here.
Indeed very frustrating!

I basically have to plan my strategy around how to handle getting hit every time instead of how to move out of the way. And I can move out of the way in time, and often do hoping I won't get hit, but 9/10 tries I still get nailed with big attacks. Glad I am tank dodging and can handle a few hits.

There is a trick, that works almost every time for me.
If you move out of the red area of effect, use a skill immediately after you left the red area.
This works because the server determines your position if you use a skill.

Thats of course not the solution to the problem, but it make life a bit easier.

Been having this issue too. I eventually gave up on dodging titan and just moved forward to the center of the stage so he wouldn't blow me off, not exactly the best of fixes when your class is a glass cannon...

It's not just AoE. It's everything. I play in the EU, I understand the servers are in Canada? (sigh).

The server seems dominent to everything. My client cannot move or cast any ability unless the server agrees it... OK, fair enough. But the number of interrupts i've missed on Ifrit HM despite invoking my stun in time is getting silly. I've died a few times being low on health, despite popping my immunity ability (PLD tank).

Getting caught in the AoE is a pain, but there are other more encounter-specific mechanics that are broken too.

It's amazing to me how right WoW got it in terms of ability invocation (most things are preauthorised, and casts are invoked instantly but stopped by the server if it deems that to be invalid - the result? A responsive client).

This is a major issue for casters as their cast does not seem to be interrupted when they run out of AOE area and although they are out from players perspective they are still in and casting from servers perspective so they get hit. this is a major problem for Titan and other fatal aoes.

Luckily i am a DRG, so never really have this problem.

could be lag on your end. I did titan with my roommate yesterday and he swore up and down he was out but kept getting knocked off. On my screen he was slow. I just called out "MOVE!" everytime it targeted him and he didn't see it until after but with coordination we easily beat it. It's lag.

LOL! It's funny everyone immediately thinks titan. I know because I was going to make a post saying the exact same thing. this does need to be looked at. it's not a huge thing, but they should make it a priority for somewhere down the pipeline or they'd be remiss.

When did FF become a DODGE BALL FEST. Every FF game up until now was TURN / BASED mechanics and even though this is a MMO
FFXI did a better job on making you work as a team to beat monsters. This game from 1st dungeon all the way through BC is nothing more than AOE DODGE BALL and seriously when the game is taking everyone out to a dedicated server which is still cross / platform enabled. LAG will be an issue depending on your ISP / PING and i know that my ISP = COMCAST , for fact they Turnicate the speed during certain hours of the day.
I hope they change up some of the game mechanics cause Dodge Ball really makes good players look bad if they have a bad ISP connection.

Found another "trick":

Everytime i do Titan HM, i set my graphics quality to the lowest possible selection AND
disable the setting for limiting FPS.
The game runs with 100+ FPS in my case and dodging is a hell of a lot easier.
Really! Try it out, it makes a huge difference!
Since i found this "trick", i never died on plumes.

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Originally Posted by Mishari

Found another "trick":

Everytime i do Titan HM, i set my graphics quality to the lowest possible selection AND
disable the setting for limiting FPS.
The game runs with 100+ FPS in my case and doging is a hell of a lot easier.
Really! Try it out, it makes a huge difference!
Since i found this "trick", i never died on plumes.

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This isn't a fix. This isn't even a workaround. When your computer specs are over double the box's recommended specs (not required, but recommended) you shouldn't be forced to play in laptop low in order to dodge AoEs. When you're tanking and run with a healer consistently and she starts casting leeches the second a Morbol starts using Bad Breath because she knows you're going to get hit it's really, really annoying. It's not annoying that she's casting it. It's annoying that it's necessary.

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Originally Posted by Zavokka

This isn't a fix. This isn't even a workaround. When your computer specs are over double the box's recommended specs (not required, but recommended) you shouldn't be forced to play in laptop low in order to dodge AoEs. When you're tanking and run with a healer consistently and she starts casting leeches the second a Morbol starts using Bad Breath because she knows you're going to get hit it's really, really annoying. It's not annoying that she's casting it. It's annoying that it's necessary.

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Uhm... well i gave you a tip. No more no less.
It makes the game playable for some people. Thats all.

Sure thing is, SE has to find a solution to this problem. That's beyond debate.
Meanwhile you can do what i suggested.

I hope they come up with a solution soon. As an Oceanic player, it's already near impossible to ping lower than ~280 ms to the NA servers (EU is no better), and it's worse when coupled with the fact that everything is so server-dependent.

It doesn't render the game unplayable, but it makes certain fights more frustrating than they should be. Currently stuck at story mode Titan (not even HM), it doesn't even matter that I'm halfway across the map when the hit lands, I'm still knocked off. This is getting annoying really fast.

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Originally Posted by Mishari

Found another "trick":

Everytime i do Titan HM, i set my graphics quality to the lowest possible selection AND
disable the setting for limiting FPS.
The game runs with 100+ FPS in my case and dodging is a hell of a lot easier.
Really! Try it out, it makes a huge difference!
Since i found this "trick", i never died on plumes.

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It sucks but this works wonders, at least it did for me.