What is your view on Duty Finder leeching?

As the title implies. I have found it increasingly common to have 1 PT member 'afk' unannounced somewhere between Area V and the Train depot boss during Castrum runs. It will always be a DPS. They will still collect Tomestone rewards upon completion while slowing down the overall run.

Personally I have collected names/servers from Lodestone.

I would like to know if anyone else has experienced this or done this. Please post your views too.

Are you for it, against it or apathetic towards it?

It comes with the existence of the duty finder, it won't stop it at all even with a "Vote to kick" you'll still encounter them.

How about no rewards upon not entering the final arena, or generating hate on the final boss?

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Originally Posted by Namko

How about no rewards upon not entering the final arena, or generating hate on the final boss?

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So if I have to leave in the middle I get nothing for not finishing it? Sounds pretty lame. All we need is a vote to kick option.

I don't mind them that much. Some might be housewives that has to tend their babies, or some with the post man at the door and such. Well, I'm not in a hurry or anything though.

This is about unannounced AFK that are quite clearly leeching. Not someone getting the door. Yes if you leave in a Castrum run you get nothing, it's only 100 Tomestones for completion. You make space for someone that can contribute to the party.

I have children, it's a simple 'brb kids'.

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Originally Posted by Leafcore

So if I have to leave in the middle I get nothing for not finishing it? Sounds pretty lame. All we need is a vote to kick option.

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Yeah, you shouldn't actually - I'm not in support for kicking people for afk, but if you bail out on a 5 minute fight or unannounced afk and just "happen" to come back after we finish the boss..you shouldn't get rewarded.

There's quite a few things SE can do for that situation which only affects the people afking or "vanishing till the boss dies" - It's pretty obvious when people are leeching compared to people actually needing to AFK at the wrong moment - you're fooling no one in the long run.

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Originally Posted by Ptolemy

It comes with the existence of the duty finder, it won't stop it at all even with a "Vote to kick" you'll still encounter them.

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I agree with both parts, people will stop doing this when there is a risk, the risk to be kicked.

I want to hop in here for a moment. I experienced this same thing just last night, only it was one of the tanks (in Castrum Meridianum) instead. He started out doing the typical hollering at the new players that didn't yet know the strategy. They hollered back at him. As is my usual demeanor/routine, I tried to calm things down between both. I pointed out to him that, if he uses Duty Finder for CM runs, he's bound to end up with people that are in there for the first time. He could instead queue up with friends or a Free Company.

But eventually he just was so aggressive that everyone was against him. He dropped a "you guys all suck, **** y'all, I'm done." At this point, we were eager for his departure so we'd just get a replacement for him. Except he never left. Instead, he did /sit and watched us fight through the rest of the dungeon.

When we got to the final boss, he ran up to us and entered. I thought maybe he'd have put everything behind him and at least help kill the boss. Nope, he just sat in a corner and watched the other 7 of us take down the boss in both phases, then collected his free tomes before leaving. Before we won, I pointed out that, despite his rage at newbies not knowing what to do, the irony was that they were at least trying to help us all work towards the goal of a victory, whereas his self-induced exclusion hurt the run far worse.

Anyway, we won without him, but it was more annoying to me that he got the reward than that he ditched us.

His name is Yoshin Yotan of Diabolos. Here's a screenshot of him in the final boss fight:
http://cdn.guildwork.net/albums/imag...50d05fd934.jpg

Ironically, his Free Company is called "Server's Nicest Guys."

EDIT: Turns out he actually runs that FC o.O

I afk during the magitek boss with cannons because it's super boring, but I'm a healer and no one needs heals so it doesn't even matter.

I had a whm in the cutscene during the final boss. The entire fight. We won with just the sch healer but still...

I'm a DPS and have yet to experience this fantasy....

Wow, sounds like a real dick move. sitting in a corner like that and watching a party defeat a mob.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Yeah, you shouldn't actually - I'm not in support for kicking people for afk, but if you bail out on a 5 minute fight or unannounced afk and just "happen" to come back after we finish the boss..you shouldn't get rewarded.

There's quite a few things SE can do for that situation which only affects the people afking or "vanishing till the boss dies" - It's pretty obvious when people are leeching compared to people actually needing to AFK at the wrong moment - you're fooling no one in the long run.

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So we are a few minutes into the boss fight and i get an important phone call that i have to answer immediately i am not going to type "afk" or "brb phone" and if i come back and the boss is dead and i get a reward oh well

I'm ok with the vote kicking but only if it requires 3-0 (light party) and 7-0 (full party) votes to kick people.

I report them for griefing personally. They are purposely negatively affecting everyone else's game experience. It IS against the rules under the Inappropriate Behavior section of the "Prohibited Activities" list, and thus I treat it as such. They want to act like a spoiled child? Fine, I'll just make an effort to make sure they suffer the consequences and leave it at that.

Little warning, Justice Reborn received a suspension from the OF for posting a players name in this thread etc etc. Please do not post griefers names on THIS forum.

Roaman - If it takes you that long to type 'AFK' I dread to think what your red circle dodging is like :p

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Originally Posted by Roaman

So we are a few minutes into the boss fight and i get an important phone call that i have to answer immediately i am not going to type "afk" or "brb phone" and if i come back and the boss is dead and i get a reward oh well

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There is no phonecall on earth that you won't make it to by extending the run to the phone by the time it takes to type "Phone AFK". It takes, quite literally, 1.5 seconds to type that.

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Originally Posted by Namko

Little warning, Justice Reborn received a suspension from the OF for posting a players name in this thread etc etc. Please do not post griefers names on THIS forum.

Roaman - If it takes you that long to type 'AFK' I dread to think what your red circle dodging is like :p

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Which I think is stupid. Players deserve to know who the losers and leechers... just like in d2, it was widespread to call them out and "tarnish" their rep should they steal or rip someone off.
This should be done

I think that if you don't participate in the run, you shouldn't get rewarded. And we need a vote to kick feature.

In my experience, it was actually the other healer who went AFK at the start. He didn't show up until halfway through, and then spent the rest of the instance doing nothing but spamming Medica II and Regen. At the last boss, he deliberately got himself killed. I ressed him, he clicked the Raise icon off and released to the entrance so he wouldn't have to heal the rest. :-\