I demand a Primal Jesus boss

Hail brothers and sisters I find it completely rude, shameful, dishonorable, and above all disrespectful that you have made the allfather Odin a villain in this great game. I refuse to slay the Aesir who tore out his own eye for knowledge to guide his people, and hang impaled upon yggdrasil for nine days and nights to unlock the power of runes for his sons and daughters.

To slay Odin is a total slap in the face to anyone who follows Asatru. As long as he is in game as a villain that you kill for loot I want another way to gain his loot, with out having to slay the primary Aesir. The solution you kill one of our gods we kill one of yours, so I want a primal Jesus boss that drops equivalent gear to what Odin drops.

See, Odin was purportedly a mythological pillar of badassery. Jesus was purportedly a humble man whose victories were of borne of a heart and spirit that embraced meekness and charity. I don't see him dropping "equivalent gear to what Odin drops." I see him dropping... like, I guess Weathered Sandals. And maybe some tilapia. He'd probably just give them to you, even. The instance would start and you'd see a system message, like, "The Power of Christ Compels You." and then all the free slots in your inventory would be bread and fish. And you'd be like, man, thanks, Primal Jesus. Is that what you're asking for? I'm not sure it fits with the overall theme.

I hope that you do realise this Odin has only taken the name of the Allfather.
He does not make use of the great spear Gungnir, but rather a sword, one that bears the name "Zantetsuken."
This Sleipnir only has four legs, half of what he should have if this was a proper incarnation of Wotan's proud steed.

I needn't remind you that all of the Primals have their names taken straight out of various religions, Ifrit (Efreet) and Bahamut of Arabic legend, Shiva and Garuda (and Ramuh, sorta) of Hinduism, Titan of Greek myth and legend, Leviathan of Hebrew Christianity. Also plenty of monsters' names come from various religious and mythological backgrounds.

While you're at it, do complain about Midgardsormr/Jormungandr being in the game as well, he's typically not an object of worship, but he is a central figure in Asatru nonetheless.

You do realize that this is just a game. And FF's Odin is waaaay different from the actual Odin. Just think of FF Odin as an epic guy who has the same name as the epic Norse God
For a sort-off-kinda-real-Odin, please play the Valkyrie Profile series

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

See, Odin was purportedly a mythological pillar of badassery. Jesus was purportedly a humble man whose victories were of borne of a heart and spirit that embraced meekness and charity. I don't see him dropping "equivalent gear to what Odin drops." I see him dropping... like, I guess Weathered Sandals. And maybe some tilapia. He'd probably just give them to you, even. The instance would start and you'd see a system message, like, "The Power of Christ Compels You." and then all the free slots in your inventory would be bread and fish. And you'd be like, man, thanks, Primal Jesus. Is that what you're asking for? I'm not sure it fits with the overall theme.

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I agree with all of this, this is pure forum gold.

Cúchulainn (the mythical Hero warrior of Irish folk legend) was portrayed as a fat green putrid disgusting pig in FFXII.

Shiva, the male Hindu Deity has been portrayed in this series and as female goddess of Ice since the early games, but you don't heard Millions of followers of Hindu complaining.


In short, it's just names and you have no genuine cause to be offended.

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Originally Posted by Malrend

He does not make use of the great spear Gungnir, but rather a sword, one that bears the name "Zantetsuken."

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I agree with all you said, but wanted to correct you here. Gungnir does appear in the FATE. He stabs it in the ground and you have to destroy it (ala Ifrit's Nail and Titan's Heart) before he does his uber-death attack.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

See, Odin was purportedly a mythological pillar of badassery. Jesus was purportedly a humble man whose victories were of borne of a heart and spirit that embraced meekness and charity. I don't see him dropping "equivalent gear to what Odin drops." I see him dropping... like, I guess Weathered Sandals. And maybe some tilapia. He'd probably just give them to you, even. The instance would start and you'd see a system message, like, "The Power of Christ Compels You." and then all the free slots in your inventory would be bread and fish. And you'd be like, man, thanks, Primal Jesus. Is that what you're asking for? I'm not sure it fits with the overall theme.

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Oh god.. if this happens, this is like.. the best game I'd ever played.. hahahahahahahahahahaha

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Originally Posted by Aurongroove

Shiva, the male Hindu Deity has been portrayed in this series and as female goddess of Ice since the early games, but you don't heard Millions of followers of Hindu complaining.

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It's just coincidental. "Shiva" is a corruption or whatever of "Shiver".

I'll just remind you all that Final Fantasy does indeed have a history of poking fun at Christianity. (Or really, Judeo-Christian and organized religions in general.) FFX being the obvious example of course. Yuna walking on water, the Church of Yevon, etc. But also, remember JENOVA? Yeah, change a letter and add another on the end and you get JEHOVAH, the personal name of the Judeo-Christian God. Then, of course, there are the obvious religious implication of Sephiroth's name (And Boss names) and the Cetra/Ancients.

I think you got this wrong, read the description for Odin, looking for a worthy Challenge, meaning he isn't evil or bad he is just bored. In all of the FF series all the Summons/Primals/Avatars are always looking to "test" people to see if they are "worthy" to be given power, whats the best way to test someone? have them fight something is the way this game is going so of course they will have it like that.

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It's just coincidental. "Shiva" is a corruption or whatever of "Shiver".

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actually its not, concept of God Shiva has been around a lot longer then corruption of shiver, considering the Hinduism has been around for thousands of years.

you people and your funny posts

HAILODIN I wish you were on the Excalibur server so we could be Final Fantasy Friends.

Hail Odin!

who is forcing all of these unhappy people to play this game? is it a prison camp or something? how do i get sentenced there?

But, why would we want a make-believe religious figure that is no where as cool as a mythological religious figure? I mean, what's he going to do?

:: Invisible Jew Primal casts Turn the Other Cheek ::
:: Invisible Jew Primal casts Swords to Plowshares ::

And then he just drops dead and drops nothing because he has nothing of value? lol

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Originally Posted by HAILODIN

[I want to kill a Jesus primal because an Odin primal is discriminatory against my religion.]

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On the outside chance you're not a troll, you should note that the game was made by Japanese, so your point would make much more sense if you requested a battle against a Primal Buddha (I'm simplifying here for the argument, as there are several more important Buddhist entities than Siddhartha to Japanese Buddhists). I'd be surprised if there were even any Christians on the dev team, given Christians make up no more than 1% of the Japanese population.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

It's just coincidental. "Shiva" is a corruption or whatever of "Shiver".

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No, the FF version of Shiva is based on the Hindu god (who is actually both male and female, to whoever stated Shiva was a male). The reference is more noticeable in some of the older games, where the summon actually has the more traditional look associated with the deity.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

See, Odin was purportedly a mythological pillar of badassery. Jesus was purportedly a humble man whose victories were of borne of a heart and spirit that embraced meekness and charity. I don't see him dropping "equivalent gear to what Odin drops." I see him dropping... like, I guess Weathered Sandals. And maybe some tilapia. He'd probably just give them to you, even. The instance would start and you'd see a system message, like, "The Power of Christ Compels You." and then all the free slots in your inventory would be bread and fish. And you'd be like, man, thanks, Primal Jesus. Is that what you're asking for? I'm not sure it fits with the overall theme.

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^this is just amazing and I'm so loving this thread :3

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

See, Odin was purportedly a mythological pillar of badassery. Jesus was purportedly a humble man whose victories were of borne of a heart and spirit that embraced meekness and charity. I don't see him dropping "equivalent gear to what Odin drops." I see him dropping... like, I guess Weathered Sandals. And maybe some tilapia. He'd probably just give them to you, even. The instance would start and you'd see a system message, like, "The Power of Christ Compels You." and then all the free slots in your inventory would be bread and fish. And you'd be like, man, thanks, Primal Jesus. Is that what you're asking for? I'm not sure it fits with the overall theme.

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If you wanted to be true to Christian belief (not that any FF entity is true to its source material; i.e. Odin, Shiva, Ramuh, Ifrit, the list goes on...), the first Jesus would let you kill him while giving you a chance to repent of your wrongdoing, then after an indeterminate amount of time would tear open the heavens and obliterate the world with his second coming. It's way too big for the game to handle -- his ult would simply be a big 90K chained to an ongoing 10105, and thats no fun.

As far as drops, theres a plethora of relics from Catholic medievalism that would do nicely.

I hate my all-father.

I always thought he was kind of a jerk personally.

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Originally Posted by Bowen

I'll just remind you all that Final Fantasy does indeed have a history of poking fun at Christianity. (Or really, Judeo-Christian and organized religions in general.) FFX being the obvious example of course. Yuna walking on water, the Church of Yevon, etc. But also, remember JENOVA? Yeah, change a letter and add another on the end and you get JEHOVAH, the personal name of the Judeo-Christian God. Then, of course, there are the obvious religious implication of Sephiroth's name (And Boss names) and the Cetra/Ancients.

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I heard we might be killing Sephiroth/Jesus at some point. Kind of like the Lightning FATE that is coming.

He then could become a Scholar summon O.o

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Originally Posted by Iroukan

He then could become a Scholar summon O.o

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as soon as odin and bahamut do...

Why would the mexican guy that works at my local McDonald's be a boss in this game? Unless the OP is proposing that the fast food guy ISN'T the one true savior all Christians worship, which is completely ridiculous seeing as how his name is Jesus.

I mean, what more proof do you need than that? Same as in the bible, right?

Jesus is a Healer. He can't be a boss. Come on now, let's be serious! :p

religion and games do not go together, I'd suggest you think before you speak, religion can easily offend people O.o Think of how many wars resolve around religion. Respect people and whatever they believe in, don't make fun of it.

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Originally Posted by Vissirra

I heard we might be killing Sephiroth/Jesus at some point. Kind of like the Lightning FATE that is coming.

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omfg, I never beat him in 7, and he was a bitch to kill in kingdom hearts, didn't play crisis core. I'd think he'd be worse to kill as a FATE, cause it would take more than just one person.
Sephiroth and his bitch of a long ass sword that can reach you from one side of the field to the other - no point in running, you are always in his reach


I wonder what he would drop? Other than his sword. :/

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Originally Posted by Lirah_Tuilos

omfg, I never beat him in 7, and he was a bitch to kill in kingdom hearts, didn't play crisis core. I'd think he'd be worse to kill as a FATE, cause it would take more than just one person.
Sephiroth and his bitch of a long ass sword that can reach you from one side of the field to the other - no point in running, you are always in his reach


I wonder what he would drop? Other than his sword. :/

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his armor maybe. possibly a wing prop we could wear. maybe a minion of him in his final form.

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Originally Posted by saber_alter

his armor maybe. possibly a wing prop we could wear. maybe a minion of him in his final form.

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Oh yes please, Safer Sephiroth looks awesome, i'd love a minion like that.

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Originally Posted by Michelasso

Jesus is a Healer. He can't be a boss. Come on now, let's be serious! :p

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Last year Jesus was reimagined as a girl that shoots danmaku, so I don't see why a primal version would be so outlandish. Well, aside from sending certain special interests groups into a rage. >.>

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Originally Posted by HAILODIN

Hail brothers and sisters I find it completely rude, shameful, dishonorable, and above all disrespectful that you have made the allfather Odin a villain in this great game. I refuse to slay the Aesir who tore out his own eye for knowledge to guide his people, and hang impaled upon yggdrasil for nine days and nights to unlock the power of runes for his sons and daughters.

To slay Odin is a total slap in the face to anyone who follows Asatru. As long as he is in game as a villain that you kill for loot I want another way to gain his loot, with out having to slay the primary Aesir. The solution you kill one of our gods we kill one of yours, so I want a primal Jesus boss that drops equivalent gear to what Odin drops.

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This isn't Shin Megami Tensei (where Messiah is an actual demon you can recruit/summon). Jesus has never been part of the Final Fantasy lore while Odin has.

Dear All,
As others say, please do not include religion in this forums. That is a sure way to make these forums into a toxic environment.

Either HailOdin is purposely trolling, or he had picked a very bad topic out of angry or ignorance.

Either way please not encourage, respond to it.

If he's trolling, it's hilarious.

If he's serious, even more so.

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Originally Posted by HAILODIN

Hail brothers and sisters I find it completely rude, shameful, dishonorable, and above all disrespectful that you have made the allfather Odin a villain in this great game. I refuse to slay the Aesir who tore out his own eye for knowledge to guide his people, and hang impaled upon yggdrasil for nine days and nights to unlock the power of runes for his sons and daughters.

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Life long heathen here baby. And as an Asatru I am unphased by Odin being what he is in game. I mean have you seen those Odin fights. I happen to be near by when one started and I'm not strong enough to fight so I stood back and watched as the God of Death and Battle wiped everyone. Seems to be his field, he did call himself Bolverk (Evil-Doer) when he visited Jotunheim.