No motivation with this community anymore.

[Deleting]

I agree totally. Just hit 50 and my group started calling me and 2 others names and being so rude because we wanted to watch the cutscenes in a story dungeon. I was pretty shocked. :\

People hitting 50 in a couple days and never learning how to play.
Elitists expecting everyone to know content they've never done, and never willing to teach.
Old players thinking they know everything just because they played 1.0.

At this point, I'm happy just waiting for FC-mates to progress and avoid duty finder entirely.

Ah the joy of playing in NA server - you get tons of VIP treatment from those elitist who think they are better than everyone else. At the same time, you must try to understand things from their point of view. Stuffs do get hard at level 50s and a lot of newbies aka scrubs are not prepared enough to do some of them. You could make a scrubs party and have at it, enjoy the beating and learn to get better - assuming people won't rage quit after the 10th defeat. Or you can move to Japan server - people tend to be a bit more polite and respectful there. Such a big difference when it comes to attitude - even at lower lvl dungeon. I made a character in Japan server and do not regret it one bit - going to transfer all other characters to Japan server soon lol.

I know the feeling. I got queued for Amdapor Keep. I hit accept and went to get a drink of water. When I returned, moments after the cutscene ended, only the other dps was left. The comment: "Watching cutscene means we're all going to fail and die."

Note: i have yet to beat the dungeon, but know all the fights.

All I ask when new players are in the dungeon, is learn from your mistakes, I am pretty patient if you aren't making the same mistake over and over. If you keep being a retard though, you will hear about it.

Find a helpful FC/LS. That's just how some people play games. It's not your fault, and it's definitely not theirs.

Seriously not trying to be an ass here.... But it's not anybody's job to hold your hand, unless of course you find those who are willing to hold hands.

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"Go to a PUG to learn the fight please." No, that's a lot worse than a pre-made group as PUGs are.. PUGs. A lot of times, you get groups that won't communicate enough, or leave on sight of a new player.

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It sounds like they don't want to try the encounter with random people for the same reason you don't want to try the encounter in a PuG. I don't really see what your complaint is here.

It's a game. A diversion. I don't care how many times you need to wait for new people to watch a cutscene you can wait for them. It's a game. It's not even an athletic competition. I don't know how anyone can feel self-important and elitist because they are really really great at running a dungeon. If your time is so very important that you can't help new people or make allowances for those whose reflexes are a little slower than yours or don't have as much pixel smashing experience as you do then you need to maybe give a little thought and reconsider your priorities.

Sounds like GW2

This is what happens when SE sees $$$$$$.

The success of Blizzard with WoW is that they created a game so simple that any 12 year old could play.
And not only them but also the people who have limited play time.
And since the content was faster(easier), the epeens leveled faster and Blizzard made boatloads of money off them. And now SE wants to cash in on that mentality.
Sorry folks, it's all about the allmighty (insert your currency here).

Once SE changed their game format from mmorpg to mmo$$$ this is the mentality of the players it will attract.

Combine that with the fact that with a few exceptions you can max level your character by soloing there is no need, let alone motivation to form a community.
And lets not forget the multiple server DF which fosters the "I don't care what you think of me since I probably won't see you again" mentality and the result is XIV.

And I had such high hopes for this game

Yeah it's ridiculous.

The game has been out for... 3 weeks I think? And some people already expect everyone to be a master at the game.

Lol. How can someone be a pro at a game that has been out for such a short time? Pure nonsense.

Also the skill ceiling for this game is next to nill.

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This is what happens when SE sees $$$$$$.

The success of Blizzard with WoW is that they created a game so simple that any 12 year old could play.
And not only them but also the people who have limited play time.
And since the content was faster(easier), the epeens leveled faster and Blizzard made boatloads of money off them. And now SE wants to cash in on that mentality.
Sorry folks, it's all about the allmighty (insert your currency here).

Once SE changed their game format from mmorpg to mmo$$$ this is the mentality of the players it will attract.

Combine that with the fact that with a few exceptions you can max level your character by soloing there is no need, let alone motivation to form a community.
And lets not forget the multiple server DF which fosters the "I don't care what you think of me since I probably won't see you again" mentality and the result is XIV.

And I had such high hopes for this game

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The best part was today in my FC chat people were talking about primals hard mode being too hard, I mentioned they should've played TERA to know what hard PvE content is, they went and said TERA is easier than FF14.

Whats going on here (IMO) is the start if any new mmo. You have a massive rush of players coming to this game so you are going to see a large abundance of assholes speeding to 50 and being like this. Overtime it dies down alot, does it go away completely? No, but it tends to die down alot overtime in my experience.

If there wasnt a cross-server duty finder you wouldnt see these issues, at least not at the scale in which they currently exist. If people only play with people from their own server then their reputation matters. Act like a douche in a few dungeons and people start taking note "hey I'm not going to ever invite him to a group." Before you know it people start caring a whole lot more what others think of their play and even their personality because they want to be invited to endgame and not blacklisted, but as it is now people just hide behind the blanket of anonymity that is created by the whole x-realm thing.

and yet people are afraid a f2p-option would ruin this precious community.... lol


I can only say it so often: don't be part of the problem, be part of the solution. be extra nice. be polite when someone's a douche. and then roll a class people are dependend on. let them bow to you and grovel. you need to control your minions.

To bad their fast leveling hasn't taugh them decent tactics. They are the same people who go in dungeons and fights, frustrate experienced players when they go off half cocked spamming crap and throwing off balance. Most regulars have lost patience with this and dont't stay around to put up with them.

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I agree totally. Just hit 50 and my group started calling me and 2 others names and being so rude because we wanted to watch the cutscenes in a story dungeon. I was pretty shocked. :\

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Tell them to deal with it your not playing them game for them and watch the cutscenes as you wish

While I agree this isn't pleasant at all, you just need to understand: it's a standard mentality these days, regardless of what mmorpg you play. If not immediately, it'd still come up later on. Few things, like majority of experienced mmorpg gamers AND some of the 1.0 legacy players in particular added with extreme ease of leveling intensify this effect, but even if it didn't exist right now the game would still eventually get to that point.

The solution is:
Don't deal with people you don't like, just as you wouldn't in real life. Ignore nerd ragers, find decent guilds who'd provide you support, and just enjoy the game at your pace :)

*SHOCK* people being RUDE on the INTERNET!? why i never. clearly something must be done about this at once or it might spread to such bastions of reason and politeness as youtube comment section or *gasp* 4chan
all joking aside, pricks are everywhere. online, offline, everywhere. and you will have to deal with pricks because the process of weeding out picks just makes bigger pricks but now with power.

Yeah, I've seen this elitism too, shouts about endgame hardcore progression, must have best gear asap... The game has been out for a WEEK and a few days. WHY is there endgame?! I must fault SE a little bit for this because obviously nobody should be max level a week after the game is out.. just..no. Then the elitists..claiming they know the fight and that they are good at it.. after a week? No. You aren't. No matter what you say you have max one week more training than I do so far. You are not (that much) better.

There are rude people in every game community. that's why most games include a blacklist.

I don't really see a problem unlike the OP.

People who /shout for an "experienced" member have the rights to do so and should do this. The Duty Finder will match you with random people and you might prefer a good party to attempt a tougher fight or a better party than the 2 tanks-4 DDs-2 healers. (the 2nd tank for Ifrit isn't a necessity)

Also, it is always better to /shout for members. Those members might become your friends or a new FC members unlike those random players you might never see again.

EDIT: Now, if someone yells at you for not being "good enough" in a Duty Finder party... that's another thing. I consider the Duty Finder to be a "training ground" where you can fight with a mixed party of new, bad, good, experienced players.

Bottomline is: It's always better to play with people that fits your style of gaming.

Already I have found numerous people willing to run across the zone to respond to a timely res request. I can't res, so I find someone who can and so 'twas done. I happily acknowledge all of you who will come to the aid of someone else when there wasn't a profit to be had because you are, essentially, a nice person.

The only issue is when people refuse to explain stuff before hand.

I haven't made it to HM dungeons yet. When I get there I wont do one without first looking for youtube explanations...if they don't exist im more inclined to ask before it starts.

Im not sure if they are any different than normal dungeons mechanically...so realistically everyone should have done it once before...even then.

Ive been able to hang with the best of them, and be part of really unforgiving guilds running endgame...but everyone has a first time.

Explain it before hand, give at least two wipes before you rage.

If you want a no issue, speed run, everyones a pro.....FFS get a FC for that...

I will run every HM with the duty finder first, theres no excuse for trolls there...none. You know you roll the dice with a pug, this isn't anything new.

Here is the quality of JP Duty Finder party. (aka PUG)

Ifrit (hard) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSNWa1rn0W4

Garuda (hard) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PS18JvefLh4

Seeing a lot of comments like "OMG PEOPLE ARE RUDE ON INTERWEBZ, SUPPLIES!?" The problem with this mentality, is that you are accepting and unacceptable behavior because you perceive it as the norm in an online environment. I was a long time FFXI player and NEVER have I seen people talk to other people in an online game as I have in the last 3-4 years. The narcissism and conceit of a large portion of the playerbase is getting out of control.

I am sorry, but if you accept shit as the norm you will be living in shit. People who have the "oh well, it's what it is" mentality must have a worthless life if they accept this kind of behavior from their peers.

I should note that I am not saying FFXI was the pinnacle of the gaming community, but damn were people a lot more forgiving and patient. The "me" generation is actually pretty disgusting. I hope SE just takes a hard stance and perma-bans asshats.

I just hit 50, this is what i had to look forward to. Not knowing the mechanics for Garuda Hard or anyone even to bother explain anything.

http://i.imgur.com/BS77Xvh.jpg

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I just hit 50, this is what i had to look forward to. Not knowing the mechanics for Garuda Hard or anyone even to bother explain anything.

http://i.imgur.com/BS77Xvh.jpg

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Naked People performing a boss fight and saying you suck becuase they expect you to be a natural pro?

Sounds about right during this time since the game hasn't been in Full release for a month yet.

I still see a lot of people not in FC yet in higher levels and a majority of the community has not made it to their first lvl 50. Not to mention a large majority of the chill lvl 50 who doesn't do that negative stuff to other players are just leveling their crafts, gathering or other class/jobs so they can properly prepare for endgame.

You never know how useful those cross-skills can be until you have them for high level contents. Not to mention preparations for housing system since the sutff you put into your house will also provide extra stat bonuses and those bonus stats will go a long way to surviving endgame stuff.


Not to mention the lack of a proper instructions has yet to be created due to how early it is.

well, let us all take a moment to remember the golden age of ff11. the people on my server are fairly civil. some of them wanted people to skip cutscenes but they all understood that it was fine if some players chose to not skip them.

to that end, a quick run option should probably be implemented for people who would rather skip it all and just jump into the action. maybe that might happen somewhere down the line.

Seems like people are always quicker to insult you than to teach you anything. :confused:

Honestly, a lot of these elitists will be gone after the free month. This game is just another check mark on a long list of mmos they've "beaten".

I mean wasn't totally ignorant of The fight, hell, i even watched guides and videos for an hour. Blaming one person for the failure of the whole. That just rustled my jimmies. At that point i decided to take break and cool off, but what was i expecting at end game. I forgot, it is the internet after all.

You could always just ignore all the party requests and stick to playing with your Free Company and if those who end up being rude will probably just be kicked from the Free Company for degrading another player.

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I mean wasn't totally ignorant of The fight, hell, i even watched guides and videos for an hour. Blaming one person for the failure of the whole. That just rustled my jimmies. At that point i decided to take break and cool off, but what was i expecting at end game. I forgot, it is the internet after all.

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Well there are still a lot of things that need to be covered in this game before anyone is truely ready for endgame.

one being Food because food in this game provide bonus stats that can be very useful for endgame. Ya they're small but they can pack a punch in higher levels.

Another is a proper understand of what each class/job can do and cannot do in the group.

There is also obtaining the necessary cross-skills needed for the class/job the players will be using.

Gear preparation is easily covered by Darklight set.

We also still need to wait for housing for the other benefits to help us prepare for endgame as well.

I know there is most likely more that has yet to be covered but this is all I can come up with now.

That's true and all, but that's not the point of my gripe. Then again, it was just one pug group. I won't let it get to me, and i know well that those A-holes where in a group together.

Just because it's typical internet behavior to act like a complete tool doesn't mean that an online community must tolerate it. However, because I was expecting this sort of "WoW-behavior" I intend to stick to doing duties and hard modes with FC-mates.

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Honestly, a lot of these elitists will be gone after the free month. This game is just another check mark on a long list of mmos they've "beaten".

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Hopefully so.

I had my mind set on transferring to a NA/EU world because my friends are playing there. The only thing preventing me from really going for it are all these horror stories I've been hearing with gil seller spammers, and ridiculously hostile DF encounters that are giving people a glimpse of the state of the general community outside a decent free company.

If it doesn't improve over time, then hell no. I'm staying over here. It's closer to where I live anyway and better ping. If it weren't for my friends, I wouldn't even consider transferring. Somehow I wish I could persuade them to transfer over to this world as soon as the transfers are available but they don't really feel comfortable with a Legacy server so.. meh. ._.'

start screencaping these people. send the screenshots to support. report for harrasment and abuse. hell send it to shitaku or whatever! might get an article even, then square will get their asses in gear.

square should do what guild wars 2 did. you want to be a degenerate? you wanna be rude and call people names? here have a ban. there really should be zero tolerance for this type of crap. i mean square already copied some of what gw2 did, that being halting digital sales for now. might as well institute this too. the fact you paid for the product does not give you right to harras and abuse people.

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Just because it's typical internet behavior to act like a complete tool doesn't mean that an online community must tolerate it. However, because I was expecting this sort of "WoW-behavior" I intend to stick to doing duties and hard modes with FC-mates.

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ignoring chat on a screen and instead play the game is not tolerating anything

its called ignoring chat on a screen because you prefer to play the game instead of let chat on a screen bother you

some random players type something in chat

i have two choices

i can respond and let them suck me into their drama

or i can ignore their chat and instead go play the game

watch i will show you how WELL option 2 works

im gonna ignore all this chat in this thread and instead go play the game

bet i have more fun in the game then all these posters do!

bye bye!

still better then wows community..