ranged attack on every monster?

i'll keep this brief. not sure if this has been discussed in great detail. but is it really necessary for every monster in the game to have some form of ranged attack? can this be re-evaluated looking forward? your thoughts.

No kidding im tired of every mob being able to blow is snot on me which hits me for more than my polearm could do when not weaponskilling.

Yep. Not much point to using positioning and strategy if the mob can still hit me regardless of what I do.

Whatever happened to this:

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/#/game...ar/lancer/role

"using the long reach of their polearms, lancers are able to deal devastating damage from a position of relative safety".

Agreed...it's been a pet peeve of mine since beta. It gets overshadowed by other issues but this really is a big deal (I think) when you start talking about strategic fighting.

We've got a spell like Gravity, which slows the mob down, but unless you're running away from battle the mob is just gonna ranged attack you all day.
It's also much more difficult to group enemies together without running 30 feet in one direction, 'cause a lot of them will just stand still and throw shit at you.

agreed this needs more attention

agreed!
it is just ~erm...~
CC is total pointless as long as all mobs have range atk~ and there are CC spells in some classes O_o!! i wonder why when SE dont want us to use CC :confused:

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

Yep. Not much point to using positioning and strategy if the mob can still hit me regardless of what I do.

Whatever happened to this:

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/#/game...ar/lancer/role

"using the long reach of their polearms, lancers are able to deal devastating damage from a position of relative safety".

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Fake sales tactic

Anyway on topic it is kind fo sad.

I do agree but i do also have to say that alot of the non primary range attacking mobs range attacks do take a very noticable time between each ranged attack to where its generally still a good idea to keep awayand use things like bind ect if you have a group capable of being oranised enough to not break it all the time mindlessly zerging everything, altho the obvious benefits are few and far between enough for most people to bover consider even equiping these spells and making themselfs and the people around them to make effect to be more aware.

I agree. As an archer, it's annoying not to be able to kite

Petition denied. Every enemy having a ranged attack is a response to every abuse of ranger in FFXI from years 1-5, which is precisely what everyone in this topic wants--a mob that doesn't hit back.

No.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Petition denied. Every enemy having a ranged attack is a response to every abuse of ranger in FFXI from years 1-5, which is precisely what everyone in this topic wants--a mob that doesn't hit back.

No.

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So instead you are going to throw any sort of tactic and positioning skill out the window? It's just not natural to have a goat sneeze on you from 50 feet away. They should still have to run to you

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So instead you are going to throw any sort of tactic and positioning skill out the window? It's just not natural to have a goat sneeze on you from 50 feet away. They should still have to run to you

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Uh, I'm going to throw your obvious attempt to throw every designed tactic ever inventable out the window so you can just shadowbind and kite everything, how about we put it that way.

Look, we all know exactly why you all don't want mobs that hit from a distance. You're not fooling anyone, which is why Tanaka stopped you before you even started.

It should stay. They knew exactly what you would do if you got what you wanted here. Kite and bind. Range range range range look how great we are! lolmeleers

Except that bind is crap in this game and doesnt work well any how.

In any case, EVERY enemy doesn't need to have a ranged attack. Ok, human enemies throwing javelins or a devilet casting is perfectly normal. But when every deer, goat or pig has a sneeze attack just for the sake of having a ranged attack, it's just stupid. Every one of us doesn't have a ranged so why should the enemies?

When bind is crap, you all will just kite. What you can't kite, you'll have one tank occupy and not let any other person get in AoE range (because meleers are MP sponges at hard fights with AoE) and feeding the mob tp (because ranged attackers hit harder). YOU brought this on yourself when you flocked to ranger as the solution to everything in FFXI and left dragoons and warriors sitting in town lfp for 2.5 hours on end.

Goats sneeze on you because your predecessors PROVED what you would do without them doing so.

Archers are still going to be the be-all end all melee in this game regardless unless their damage is nerfed so badly it's not worth ranging anymore. Why play any other job when you can sub in their skills and do it from range out of mob aoe?

Owned! Yeah mobs don't need to be hitting unless they're right up on you if they're melee. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Radaghast

Archers are still going to be the be-all end all melee in this game regardless unless their damage is nerfed so badly it's not worth ranging anymore. Why play any other job when you can sub in their skills and do it from range out of mob aoe?

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Tanaka was watching rangers like a hawk because of how much they screwed up his last game. Yoshida is not. If Tanaka were still here, archer would have already lost multishot and been rendered less DPS than any meleer, because you're exactly right. They should pay for staying out of AoE range with being a weaker DD.

Having every enemy in game use ranged attacks is, as Jayvir put it, just stupid.

Kiting is an accepted strategy. It is rarely used by parties, but is a very effective for soloing. Implying that Archers or Mages or anyone else for that matter only want it as an easy mode, is silly and irrelevant. Kiting takes just as much attention as any stonewall strat, especially since we have to stop to perform an action, we can't just run away and attack free of danger.

What I don't understand about monster ranged attacks is that most of them are more powerful than regular attacks. That's ridiculous. I'm sorry, but a blast of snot is not going to hurt more than a goat head to the chest.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Tanaka was watching rangers like a hawk because of how much they screwed up his last game. Yoshida is not. If Tanaka were still here, archer would have already lost multishot and been rendered less DPS than any meleer, because you're exactly right. They should pay for staying out of AoE range with being a weaker DD.

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But arrows cost gill so thats they way I justify my huge damage ^^

I agree with OP. not EVERY monster in the game should have a range attack. Especially not goats, dodos, puks, hypographs, mongrels, wolves, sheep, and every other zoo animal.

We checked on this issue with the dev. team and have some details to report about the whole "every enemy having range attack" issue. While it's not a bug, it is something that the dev. team feels isn't very fitting with the rest of Eorzea. When they looked into remedying the situation, they discovered a new issue that needed to be addressed. So the plan now is to address the new issue first so that they're able to make adjustments to the ranged attack issue.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

We checked on this issue with the dev. team and have some details to report about the whole "every enemy having range attack" issue. While it's not a bug, it is something that the dev. team feels isn't very fitting with the rest of Eorzea. When they looked into remedying the situation, they discovered a new issue that needed to be addressed. So the plan now is to address the new issue first so that they're able to make adjustments to the ranged attack issue.

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Good news indeed. I didn't think it was a bug myself tho, just something very silly.

And this new issue is?

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

We checked on this issue with the dev. team and have some details to report about the whole "every enemy having range attack" issue. While it's not a bug, it is something that the dev. team feels isn't very fitting with the rest of Eorzea. When they looked into remedying the situation, they discovered a new issue that needed to be addressed. So the plan now is to address the new issue first so that they're able to make adjustments to the ranged attack issue.

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Thank you for the information Bayohne. Nice to see you spreading the love from the devs :)

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

We checked on this issue with the dev. team and have some details to report about the whole "every enemy having range attack" issue. While it's not a bug, it is something that the dev. team feels isn't very fitting with the rest of Eorzea. When they looked into remedying the situation, they discovered a new issue that needed to be addressed. So the plan now is to address the new issue first so that they're able to make adjustments to the ranged attack issue.

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While I appreciate the response, that was about as vague as a politician trying to explain policy. So the issue lead to another issue that needs to be addressed before the first issue can be resolved. Got it.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

When bind is crap, you all will just kite. What you can't kite, you'll have one tank occupy and not let any other person get in AoE range (because meleers are MP sponges at hard fights with AoE) and feeding the mob tp (because ranged attackers hit harder). YOU brought this on yourself when you flocked to ranger as the solution to everything in FFXI and left dragoons and warriors sitting in town lfp for 2.5 hours on end.

Goats sneeze on you because your predecessors PROVED what you would do without them doing so.

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When did you play FFXI? 2003?

This ranged attack nonsense on every mob needs to go and I'm glad to hear that it will.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

We checked on this issue with the dev. team and have some details to report about the whole "every enemy having range attack" issue. While it's not a bug, it is something that the dev. team feels isn't very fitting with the rest of Eorzea. When they looked into remedying the situation, they discovered a new issue that needed to be addressed. So the plan now is to address the new issue first so that they're able to make adjustments to the ranged attack issue.

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Good news I never understood why every mob had range attack, doesn't make sense for ALL mobs to have it.

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And this new issue is?

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Bad programming? That's the only thing I can think of. Since why would a new issue arise just by locking enemies out of a ranged attack?

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Originally Posted by Demacia

When did you play FFXI? 2003?

This ranged attack nonsense on every mob needs to go and I'm glad to hear that it will.

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The whole time, from the time where rangers were the solution to everything to when they were put in their rightful place in the game. I'm guessing you didn't play in 2003, because you want the same mistakes.

I'm glad they are finding issues tho :). Death to all issues.

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The whole time, from the time where rangers were the solution to everything to when they were put in their rightful place in the game. I'm guessing you didn't play in 2003, because you want the same mistakes.

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Nerfing Archer and removing ranged attacks from certain mobs are two different things. There's absolutely no reason for every single mob in the game to have a ranged attack.

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The whole time, from the time where rangers were the solution to everything to when they were put in their rightful place in the game. I'm guessing you didn't play in 2003, because you want the same mistakes.

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I did play in 2003, and I don't mind archers one bit, even though I was a DRG at the time. They made a big sacrifice to their pocketbooks to play as they did back then. Arrows were expensive, and the mats to create them weren't much cheaper. That means they had to devote a lot of their time to farming and generating money, just like NIN did in order to blink tank. An acceptable trade off in my opinion.

Now, the economy in XIV isn't as prohibitive as it was in XI, but that's a separate issue all together. And Archers in XIV aren't as overpowered vs. melee inXIV either.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

Yep. Not much point to using positioning and strategy if the mob can still hit me regardless of what I do.

Whatever happened to this:

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/#/game...ar/lancer/role

"using the long reach of their polearms, lancers are able to deal devastating damage from a position of relative safety".

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That's just stupid hype like the majority of information that was thrown at us before release. SE doesn't know that you don't hype a game with mechanics that are "planned" for the future, you hype it with what you'll release it with.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

We checked on this issue with the dev. team and have some details to report about the whole "every enemy having range attack" issue. While it's not a bug, it is something that the dev. team feels isn't very fitting with the rest of Eorzea. When they looked into remedying the situation, they discovered a new issue that needed to be addressed. So the plan now is to address the new issue first so that they're able to make adjustments to the ranged attack issue.

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What new issue could have possibly arised from this?

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That's just stupid hype like the majority of information that was thrown at us before release. SE doesn't know that you don't hype a game with mechanics that are "planned" for the future, you hype it with what you'll release it with.

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Stupid hype that my dumb ass fell for. You said there would be strategy SE.

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Originally Posted by Demacia

Nerfing Archer and removing ranged attacks from certain mobs are two different things. There's absolutely no reason for every single mob in the game to have a ranged attack.

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This is EXACTLY my point.

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What new issue could have possibly arised from this?

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Possibly Either kiting (Having the brave gladiator run around while the mob is picked off, with mere taunts keeping it running in circles.)
or binding.(-GA spamming camps, Archer firing squad.)

Druids in EQ used to only know soloing, taking high level monsters and dragging them around, getting tons of exp in one drop.

You could have mobs that drag the player back to them, give the mob provoke/hate reset skills, or raise resistance to bind each time it is applied. I'm sure there are other solutions.

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What new issue could have possibly arised from this?

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One would say it has to do with the current system itself that would need to be redone, attack patterns, calculations etc.

I used to love kiting mobs in FFXI as BST or RDM, never tried RNG but anyone that says it was "easy mode" either needed to find harder targets or never tried it. Soloing anything worthwhile actually took management of abilities, cooldowns and actually paying attention to the battle. Hell in FFXIV I can barely look at the screen, mash the same key on the controller and look; OMG I WIN!!! As lackluster as the current system is the ability to actually use tactics and strategy would be a godsend.

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Possibly Either kiting (Having the brave gladiator run around while the mob is picked off, with mere taunts keeping it running in circles.)
or binding.(-GA spamming camps, Archer firing squad.)

Druids in EQ used to only know soloing, taking high level monsters and dragging them around, getting tons of exp in one drop.

You could have mobs that drag the player back to them, give the mob provoke/hate reset skills, or raise resistance to bind each time it is applied. I'm sure there are other solutions.

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Diminishing returns basically.