Can we make lower level dungeons a little more worth it? (exp wise)

I've noticed a huge fall off of people doing dungeons and i'm a bit worried. I know Fates are the optimal way of leveling, but surely boosting the exp in dungeons just by a little bit wont be too problematic right? Also it would help new players find groups seeing as that's the only way to advance in the story.

Eh, personally I'd love to see it come back to the normal grind. I did a few dungeons and they were fun but I don't think it's something that would be fun to do 24/7, it would dilute the fun. Like chocolate. Fun when you hvae it on occasion but if you eat it 24/7, you get sick of it pretty fast.

Instead of boosting dungeon exp, they should lower fate exp, or a nice balance between the two.

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Originally Posted by nasomi

Eh, personally I'd love to see it come back to the normal grind. I did a few dungeons and they were fun but I don't think it's something that would be fun to do 24/7, it would dilute the fun. Like chocolate. Fun when you hvae it on occasion but if you eat it 24/7, you get sick of it pretty fast.

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The problem is that you're essentially describing the situation with FATEs right now. It's all FATE, all the time, because they're the fastest way to get exp. I think the OP's post is simply a request to balance things a little better so that dungeon instances are just as viable a method of leveling up as FATEs are.

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Originally Posted by nasomi

Eh, personally I'd love to see it come back to the normal grind. I did a few dungeons and they were fun but I don't think it's something that would be fun to do 24/7, it would dilute the fun. Like chocolate. Fun when you hvae it on occasion but if you eat it 24/7, you get sick of it pretty fast.

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No I would hate to do dungeons 24/7 only, it's just it's getting harder for lower level players to find groups to do even the story missions. It could become problematic in the future. Dungeons at lower levels don't really feel worth it and people are doing them less and less.

Essentially party play and teamwork are the heart of this game and the one place you can engage in that together at lower levels isn't really worth doing.

I was duoing yesterday successfully just on random mobs, which provided a good experience. I want to try and get 4-5 together and see how that goes with mobs a few levels up. From the way it was going last night, it seemed like a viable option. 2 arcanists at 15 killing 16-17 yielded 120-150xp/kill, and it was pretty quick.

Dungeons give items, where fates give seals instead. Maybe I'm just wierd, but all I ever did with seals was rank up, rank up, then buy the lvl 50 weapon. Chocobo too I suppose. So dungeons seem to me like they'd be worth doing even without as much XP as other options.

A little bump wouldn't hurt I guess, but nearly every time I've seen MMO devs adjust something they overdo it.

Edit: Nearly forgot: once you hit the higher level dungeons they start giving Tomestones that make better gear than seals. Gear immediately dropped + currency to buy even better gear. Seems like a nice incentive not counting XP.

I agree! Doing Fates all the time is really boring :p I would rather do dungeons and such but the exp for amount of time they take currently isn't worth it.
Or maybe if the game had more quests...

You seem to do things only for profit.
Not for being together and share something.
Not for the pleasure of playing well,
or the satisfaction to have participated in an epic fight,
and won because of the qualities of each other and the interactions.

What kind of players are you?
Who the hell did open the gates to our world of the MMORPG to guys like you?
Please leave us. Just go.

Rather than increasing dungeon XP why not just give repeatable dungeon quests that require you to complete some challenge? Make the quests scale with level so level 30s have a reason to go to Satasha, and give bonus XP, items, or even seals (GC quests) for completion. It would help keep low level dungeons going when most of the player base has out leveled them.

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Originally Posted by Crushbone-Hammerfist

Rather than increasing dungeon XP why not just give repeatable dungeon quests that require you to complete some challenge? Make the quests scale with level so level 30s have a reason to go to Satasha, and give bonus XP, items, or even seals (GC quests) for completion. It would help keep low level dungeons going when most of the player base has out leveled them.

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I can actually get behind this.

Dungeon xp = horrible, dependent on decent tank and healer, time consuming

Fate xp = amazing, you can tab and press 3 while you nap if you like, no player requirement that won't easily be met by the 150+ people at the fate, takes 30 secs - 1 minute

There's currently no reason to do anything in the game other than race to purple circles on your map.

I think everyone is leveling with Fates so they are able to farm up enough seals to purchase a chocobo at level 20.

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Originally Posted by Methuselah

I think everyone is leveling with Fates so they are able to farm up enough seals to purchase a chocobo at level 20.

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People are still leveling with Fates after that since they are the most efficient way to get things done in this game.

Allow people to "need" on items they have a relevant levelled class for, even if they aren't actually playing that class right now, and I imagine that would help keep dungeon interest up.

There's been a few times when I've been helping out on an early dungeon with my WHM and something's dropped that's made me think "Ooh, my SMN/BRD, etc could use that!" but I can only "greed", which means 9/10 times I lose the roll. Keep the needing to within +/- 5 levels of the item in question (to avoid level 3 MRD "needing" level 40 weapons, or level 50 BLMs "needing" level 20 gear, to help prevent people AH'ing the stuff rather than using it) and I think it'd help.

Maybe I'm a rarity or something. But even as almost lvl 40 sch, I still run SAS, Toto, and all that constantly. Not only helps me warm up for higher dungeons that day. It also helps my FC out who need gear or just level their lower classes.

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Originally Posted by KimimiAvesta

Allow people to "need" on items they have a relevant levelled class for, even if they aren't actually playing that class right now, and I imagine that would help keep dungeon interest up.

There's been a few times when I've been helping out on an early dungeon with my WHM and something's dropped that's made me think "Ooh, my SMN/BRD, etc could use that!" but I can only "greed", which means 9/10 times I lose the roll. Keep the needing to within +/- 5 levels of the item in question (to avoid level 3 MRD "needing" level 40 weapons, or level 50 BLMs "needing" level 20 gear, to help prevent people AH'ing the stuff rather than using it) and I think it'd help.

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Yes, take off all nice features and well thought things of this game and make it as bad as all others.
Do it now, or we'll retain our respiration till we die and you SE you'll bare the responsibility :O

No, really if you want an item specific for a class, play that class. Also it's 1 chance on 4 not 9 on ten :°

With your idea, everybody would roll a tank or a hearler to farm the stuff, dps would quit dungeons for ever if they see a support class taking a way some dps loot.
And I don't speak of elitism, arrogance, leavers, that are common in this game because sadly we can't say the community is good as those you'll find on LotRO or TSW.
Being a bad bad bad (winks at PS2) community doesn't make it more performant in difficult encounters as far as I see.
I thought the evil side granted some kind of super talent and smartness?

If everyone is doing fates for exp, in a game that has many ways of getting exp, clearly this is unbalanced and needs to be either nerfed, or the other means of getting exp need to be buffed.

There is no way I should be getting 7-10k exp in a lv 33 fate in 2 min. Sorry but this is not balanced. Why do quests? Why do dungeons? Why do anything other than fates if exp and leveling is your concern?

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Originally Posted by Crushbone-Hammerfist

Rather than increasing dungeon XP why not just give repeatable dungeon quests that require you to complete some challenge? Make the quests scale with level so level 30s have a reason to go to Satasha, and give bonus XP, items, or even seals (GC quests) for completion. It would help keep low level dungeons going when most of the player base has out leveled them.

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They /kind/ of already have this. While not bonus XP, the Expert Delivery Missions have you trade in loot from many different dungeons for Seals. admittedly, Its only 40 - 80 Seals per item, depending on the item. So there is a reward to simply go back into any dungeon.

The best way to guarantee Seals from the venture is to go in on the class whose item is on the Delivery Mission, So if theres a lot of PLD/WAR items on the list, gives you a reason to jump on your PLD/WAR and run a few dungeons.

Of course, they need to boost the seals gained from these Missions, but the framework is there.