What are your sub skills as Warrior?

I just hit level 50 as warrior and wondering what subskills do you guys use to tank?
Out of 5 I'm taking
- Featherfoot
- Second Wind (want to change this but i don't really have other choice atm)
- Internal Release
- Convalescence
- Flash (Also want to take this out for better skill)

Hopefully I will level my Gladiator and Pugilist to get Awareness and Mantra.

What are your choices and reasons?

Thanks in advance

Flash
Provoke
Convalescence
Featherfoot
Haymaker

Currently I use the following:

Flash
Convalescence
Internal Release
Second Wind
Featherfoot

I will likely sub out Second Wind for Provoke once I level Gladiator once more (at level 21 now). Debating subbing one other for Haymaker but not sure which. Possibly Flash even though I use that quite often.

While I'm not 50 just yet, I use;

Flash
Featherfoot
Internal Release
Second Wind

I plan on keeping second wind for two reasons. 1, I think it's that much more you can do to help the healer. Granted it's not much but can be a lifesaver in a sudden emergency. 2, from what I've seen on provoke, I don't find it necessary for another single target (at least my impression was it was single target) aggro since just by using the Skull Sunder/Butcher's Block combo I can build all the aggro I need.

Do you guys really think Flash is good skill? I rather use overpower to do dmg and agro.

I like overpower more, but flash is nice in that it uses MP vs TP. Since there's not much if anything that a WAR/MRD uses MP for, it makes it really handy if you're low on TP but want to build some aggro, especially on multiple targets like adds.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Phantom_Lunar

Do you guys really think Flash is good skill? I rather use overpower to do dmg and agro.

---

I like using Flash, then Overpower then Flash again when I get 3+ enemies and I know that my current DPS members will not follow the marked targets.

Also, Flash is really great for when you have BLM sleeping targets as it doesn't wake them up.

Flash
Provoke
Second Wind
Featherfoot
Convalescence

These aren't optimal probably.

Flash might be the best cross-class skill:
- use mana instead of TP
- agro mobs behind you, unlike Overpower's cone shape
- build agro on mobs without breaking Sleep
Overpower is fine. I use it more than Flash. But you really want both.

Provoke seems pretty important, though I've had trouble getting it to work sometimes. It's a situational thing.

Second Wind I like, but would take out in a heartbeat if there was something better. Same for Featherfoot. Convalescence is probably closest one to getting cut at the moment.

Will have to look more into Internal Release and Haymaker -- I may have overlooked those previously. Edit: Looked em up. Haymaker is going to come in for Convalescence it looks like. I'm mostly dungeon tanking, so focusing on defensive stuff. Having a slow would be nice - with damage tacked on no less. Depending how often I can land it will determine if it gets to stay. Internal Release looks fine if I want to go more offensive at some point - probably replacing Provoke cause assuming not dungeon tanking at that point.

Another big plus for Flash is that it is usable while under the effects of Pacification from Berserk so you are free to use Berserk with less fear of being unable to build enmity for those 5 seconds.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ipkonfig

Another big plus for Flash is that it is usable while under the effects of Pacification from Berserk so you are free to use Berserk with less fear of being unable to build enmity for those 5 seconds.

---

That's a good point. I'm always not using Berserk because I'll lose Enmity.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by RhazeCain

Haymaker is going to come in for Convalescence it looks like. I'm mostly dungeon tanking, so focusing on defensive stuff. Having a slow would be nice - with damage tacked on no less. Depending how often I can land it will determine if it gets to stay.

---

Why choose Haymaker over Feint? Do you feel you evade enough to be able to activate Haymaker over the on-demand Feint?

Thanks!

Warriors can't equip feint, Viola.

That being said, Haymaker synergizes very well with featherfoot. The less damage the mob deals is less damage you take. Dodge is common enough that it's a good tool to have.

Ah, thanks! I'm still just a lowly MAR so I'm not privy to the WAR limitations yet.

Provoke
Convalesence
Featherfoot
Haymaker
Flash

Second Wind loses it's usefulness as my HP begins to "outgrow" the heal. Anyone thought of pulling Mantra from PUG?

Mantra looked interesting but I really don't want to have to get my PUG to 42. But I would like to see people's thoughts on it.

Here is how I see WAR's cross class skills.

Top Choices:
Featherfoot - This is a skill I underestimated but honestly anytime an enemy misses you have successfully mitigated 100% of that intended damage. 90s timer is not bad either.
Flash/Provoke - You really only need one of thse on your bar. (Or none if you are confident or diligent in keeping hate.) If you know there is going to be a lot of adds take Flash. If you're just going in a solo boss fight, dumb it and swap in provoke. It allows me to be lazy about my hate and get in more uses of Storm's Path knowing if I loose hate I can just 'voke to get it back.
Convalescense/Second Wind - Again you only really need one. If you are soloing Second Wind is the better investment since Convalescense affects so few of our skills. But in a Party situation the 20% incoming heal for 20 seconds will recover far more HP thank Second Wind in the long run.
Internal Release - I love love love this skill. 20% crit chance for 15s every 60s. That short recast is what makes this skill so sweet. You can use it often and it is a great skill to use when you have 5 wrath stacks and know you're not going to use them for a while.

Filling in the Gaps:
Awareness - To me is a situational skill rather than a necessary one. Sure if the boss has a skill that boosts thier crit chance or you're dealing with a lot of hard hitting adds. Slot it. If not, I don't miss it.
Haymaker - The icing on the cake that is Featherfoot. If I'm not slotting Awareness this is my favorite. 20% slow, yes please. But the low TP cost is what wins the day. This is just a great skill for TP managment. I macro it onto my Heavy Swing.
Mantra - This skill is in the too little too late Category. Having to invest so many levels into PGL just to get it is a turn off for most, myself included. If I could get over that I would say that it can be up in the Top Tier choices right next to SW/Con. As in a fight with lots of hard to avoid AoE's this will go a much longer way for your healer than Con. but even so 10% for everyone or 20 for me.... call me a selfish tank, but the longer I stay alive the better for everyone, lol.

Featherfoot
Flash
Second Wind
Inner Relase
Convalesence (great when paired with beserker/OP)

Still level 44 so just now I'm rocking -

Featherfoot
Flash
Second Wind
Inner Release.

Didn't really think about Haymaker but I might slot that in when I get 5 additionals. That 20% could be a huge help and I completely overlooked it!

I was thinking of convalescence but I'll have to try it out against Haymaker now.

Just remember when using Second Wind try to use Beserk as it bases off attack power :)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MysteryGoat

While I'm not 50 just yet, I use;

Flash
Featherfoot
Internal Release
Second Wind

I plan on keeping second wind for two reasons. 1, I think it's that much more you can do to help the healer. Granted it's not much but can be a lifesaver in a sudden emergency. 2, from what I've seen on provoke, I don't find it necessary for another single target (at least my impression was it was single target) aggro since just by using the Skull Sunder/Butcher's Block combo I can build all the aggro I need.

---

Convalescence is better than second wind by a large margin (in groups). I'm currently using Convalescence and Second wind in a macro, though. The healing from Second Wind just doesn't scale fast enough and I will 100% be dropping it once I'm 50 and replacing it with either Internal Release or Provoke. Second wind remains somewhat useful when soloing.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Phantom_Lunar

Do you guys really think Flash is good skill? I rather use overpower to do dmg and agro.

---

Flash is pretty amazing. Even on single target fights because a) it doesn't cost TP. Meaning you can get AoE threat without neutering your single target damage down the road, and b) you can use it while under pacification. So once pacification pops up, cast a flash, use a defensive cooldown, and by then it should have worn off.

My choices at 50 will probably be:

Featherfoot
Convalescence
Flash
Internal Release
Haymaker

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hachiko

Flash is pretty amazing. Even on single target fights because a) it doesn't cost TP. Meaning you can get AoE threat without neutering your single target damage down the road, and b) you can use it while under pacification. So once pacification pops up, cast a flash, use a defensive cooldown, and by then it should have worn off.

---

Also because Flash isn't a combo breaker unlike our Overpower :(