LNC/DRG Can't Roll Need

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Character Name: Lyall Krosse
Race: Hyur M
World: Diabolos
Class/Level: LNC/DRG All Levels
Area & Coordinates: All Dungeons
Party or Solo: Party
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In-Game Time: Anytime
Steps: Run a dungeon, when a piece of armor that has DPS stats and can be worn by LNC/DRG drops, try to roll need, error mesaage stating that the "Class" you are using does not correspond to that pice of gear.

Note: The way to replicate this bug is easy. Create a lancer and attempt to do a dungeon that drops armor with GLA/PLD/MRD/WAR/LNC/DRG specifications. You will see that the Need is greyed out and the error message when you try to click it states you cannot roll because of "Class" and not "Role". If you cannot replicate this on a low level dungeon then try it on a higher level dungeon as the first time I really noticed the issue was in Brayflox.

I have had this same issue. Really hope it gets addressed since DRG is my main class...

Is there any plan to fix this bug?

lots of gear can be set for DoW but be primarily for Tanking, like if it has parry on it or something its generally meant for MRD WAR GLA or PLD. they did this so that the accessories could not be needed by everyone if they were meant for a certain class since most accessories are all classes.

This is not a bug. Please stop trying to need on tank gear. Dragoons are not tanks. Just because you can equip it does not mean that your class/job needs it.

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Originally Posted by Sinth

This is not a bug. Please stop trying to need on tank gear. Dragoons are not tanks. Just because you can equip it does not mean that your class/job needs it.

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please see virtually all level 50 gear where "tanks" can no longer obtain scale mail class armor because it is LNC/DRG equipable only, and they can only obtain tank gear which is the "heavy mail" class...

If our class is listed on the piece of gear then we should be able to need on it. There are specific pieces of tank gear meant for tanking that omit DRG/LNC. The scale mail pieces that we cannot roll on generally do not have parry on them. Str, Vit, and Dex/Crit/Acc/Det, are the typical stats.

Seriously this is like telling a DPS DK, paladin, war, etc. in WoW not to need on plate because plate is for tanking.

If LNC/DRG is capable of wearing mail, then they should be able to roll need on it plain and simple. Again, this is why there is tank gear that excludes LNC/DRG from the list of classes/jobs.

I ask again, is this getting fixed? Please don't come in here saying it's not a bug, because honestly unless you work for Square-Enix, you'd only be speculating at best.

it a bug that should be fixed with the next update (coming after the maintenance today)

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Originally Posted by Pure-Power

Seriously this is like telling a DPS DK, paladin, war, etc. in WoW not to need on plate because plate is for tanking.

If LNC/DRG is capable of wearing mail, then they should be able to roll need on it plain and simple. Again, this is why there is tank gear that excludes LNC/DRG from the list of classes/jobs.

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While i agree on you about the fact that if a LNC/DRG can wear it, we should be able to need on it, the WoW reference is very accurate. Me having played WoW before, This happens more than you would think. But the fact of the matter is that in WoW, they don't classify gear as Tank/DPS/Healer like they do with FFXIV. But also at the same time, if you are a DPS and Tank gear drops, if you can need/greed it, but the tank also needs it, just out of courtesy and after knowing how the community works with it, most people let the tank have priority on it.

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Originally Posted by RyuPower

it a bug that should be fixed with the next update (coming after the maintenance today)

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If you've read anything about the game. Gear is divided in game based on being tank/dps/healer. it's the name that determines this, not necessarily the stats and who can wear it.

I've also encountered this problem, submitted a bug-report and was shut down to "insufficient information" despite using the template and including everything relevant.

But, on topic, if the gear is separated based on name to be doled out to tank/dps/healer, then the classes listed that are able to wear it should be colored differently to reflect this. Example-->Calvary gear at Brayflox. Can be used by all tanks and lancer/dragoon, but lnc/drg cannot roll need. Have the lnc/drg a different color from the other classes. Easily quell the masses.

However, when a piece of gear drops that has determination, crit strike, and skill speed on it, and a lancer or dragoon cannot roll need on it because it's classified as tank gear is screwy and needs to be addressed.

I too have this issue. Why would the gear list LNC / DRG on the usable by list if we cannot roll need on it? And by the way the group I was with passed on some of this loot and I was able to equip it even though it would not let me roll need (said wrong class). So this is clearly a loot drop box error.

Encountered same problem. Drives me nuts to see armor that's so well-rounded for soloing and listed as LNC gear being kept away from us. Ran Cutters several times and found that even tanks wearing AF will Need lot the stuff just because it looks nice.

I too have experienced this, as a main class lancer/dragoon this is one of the most frustrating things within the game. I'm not sure if it's a bug or intended but it most certainly needs to go, and ive noticed tanks seem to take offense to this, saying that it's to give them first priority. But heres the thing, there is armor seperate to this type of armor for tanks around the same level for them. Scale mail is the only plate type ive noticed lancers/dragoons can equip yet there are still armor sets we cannot wear around the same level tanks get. So why can we not roll for this when scale mail is almost secondary to most tanks, if you've played since launch you'll notice all the lancers/dragoons wear scale mail yet tanks still wear the heavier top tier armor for them which as ive stated above is around the same level as scale mail, meaning they don't even need it. We need it because were alot squishier and it gives str/vit, our main stats as dps. I can't stress enough how annoying it is to not be able to roll for something that you actually need where as a tank would toss it aside for the higher def armor only for them.

Ive had this happen as well was a scale chestpiece in tam and stats were str vit determination and crit. This is a very frustrating bug to say the least. I could understand giving tank gear with str vit skill speed parry ect. Alas I hope this gets fixed.

agreed this needs fixed ASAP... so if i ever get to play this game im not more upset when i cant get my items!

Bump for people to like first post

More than likely they'll fix the tooltip, not your ability to loot it.

BUMP..

SCALE MAIL is for DRG.. let us NEED IT!

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Originally Posted by Pure-Power

If our class is listed on the piece of gear then we should be able to need on it. There are specific pieces of tank gear meant for tanking that omit DRG/LNC. The scale mail pieces that we cannot roll on generally do not have parry on them. Str, Vit, and Dex/Crit/Acc/Det, are the typical stats.

Seriously this is like telling a DPS DK, paladin, war, etc. in WoW not to need on plate because plate is for tanking.

If LNC/DRG is capable of wearing mail, then they should be able to roll need on it plain and simple. Again, this is why there is tank gear that excludes LNC/DRG from the list of classes/jobs.

I ask again, is this getting fixed? Please don't come in here saying it's not a bug, because honestly unless you work for Square-Enix, you'd only be speculating at best.

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pretty much this

People were upset about marauder and gladiator lotting on Foestriker tabard and so SE made it so that only DPSs could lot it. Now DPSs want tank-specific gear (MRD/GLD/LNC specific). It can be only one way or another, not both. Personally I think the role filter for Need should've never been added, as tanks can make a use of DPS pieces and DPSs can make a use of more sturdy armor for their solo business. If it went back as how it originally was I'd be happier (even though I'm just a mage. There is no conflict of interest for me there).

As I understood it they assign gear to specific classes for need or 1st served then u can greed if u want it but it goes to the class it was designed for first. I actually like it, its a way to control the loot whores that would roll on everything just because they can wear it. Not saying anyone here is but I can understand why they set it up this way. Loot whoring can ruin the game experience for alot of folks. Maybe they'll change gear designations but I love the limiting peoples ability to roll on gear thats really not suited for them.

The most interesting part about this bug (yes, I said bug), is that once you reach about level 40, DRG suddenly CAN roll need on scale gear.

Also, to the people claiming that DRG shouldn't roll on "tank" loot... we're not trying to. These pieces don't have parry, or any other tank stat. Instead, they have things like Accuracy, Strength, Crit, Determination, and other DPS stats on them. Please don't assume that every DRG is just being stupid, we know what we're talking about here. Scale mail was meant to be used by DRG, which is why we're given the option to use them in the first place. The fact that you can't roll need on <40 level scale mail is a bug or an oversight, pure and simple.

As a tank, I roll need and greed on everything that shows an increase of Def. But with that being said, I am going to start asking LNC/DRG if they want it before I need certain pieces. A good solution is to allow trading within instances for drops on those accidental misvotes. Maybe the intent to do this was so tanks would have an incentive to tank by rolling on some gear that could go to another job.... nah lol.

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Originally Posted by Sainiku

The most interesting part about this bug (yes, I said bug), is that once you reach about level 40, DRG suddenly CAN roll need on scale gear.

Also, to the people claiming that DRG shouldn't roll on "tank" loot... we're not trying to. These pieces don't have parry, or any other tank stat. Instead, they have things like Accuracy, Strength, Crit, Determination, and other DPS stats on them. Please don't assume that every DRG is just being stupid, we know what we're talking about here. Scale mail was meant to be used by DRG, which is why we're given the option to use them in the first place. The fact that you can't roll need on <40 level scale mail is a bug or an oversight, pure and simple.

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I would just like to point out two pieces of armor, both are scale mail, both can be worn by gld/pld mrd/war lnc/drg, Kokoroon's Scale Mail & Hetairos mail (formerly Solid Scale Mail), Kokoroon's is level 38, with 104 def & magic def, while Hetairos is level 50 with I think 102 def and like 64 magic def.
With this in mind I would assume scale mail is more suited for Lnc/Drg past 40, while before it's still an option for Tanks.
it's like previously said, just a filter on those pieces of armor set for certain classes.

Edit: I don't know why they took that function out of 1.0, everyone had their own little loot list, and you could gift drops to party members while still in the loot list.

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This is broke for Lancers! I saw this thread and remembered it when I entered the Brayflox dungeon. I had no pink or green items equipped. A pink hands pops up for Gld Mrd and Lancer. I could not need on this. The attributes were Str, Vit, Det. I don't recall what it was made out of but it shouldn't matter because I'm currently wearing steel armor. The tank needed on it and got it. I was able to only need on an item that was for Disciples of War.

Point plank, the Need is broke for Lancers when it is also part of the role for GLD and MRD listed classes. Please fix.

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Originally Posted by Bluevann

People were upset about marauder and gladiator lotting on Foestriker tabard and so SE made it so that only DPSs could lot it. Now DPSs want tank-specific gear (MRD/GLD/LNC specific).

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You are incorrect sir. What LNC you know is a tank? Item can't be tank gear if LNC is listed. If it was MRD/GLD only then yes that's tank gear.

Thank you for posting your concerns about being unable to roll "Need" when playing as a Lancer or Dragoon. I have made sure to submit all of your information to the development team, and they will thoroughly investigate this matter, based on your report. Unfortunately, I cannot guarantee that a direct response will be posted on this thread, but I do recommend checking Here or Here for any details regarding the development team's investigation. Thanks again for your report!