possible law suit!!!!!

Lol SE ask me to remove this thread b/c is cauisng them issue

Have fun with that what you lawyer going to charge you pretty sure more then the three copies SE charged you

LOL read the Eula you agreed to . You waived all your rights the first time you accepted it.

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Have fun with that what you lawyer going to charge you pretty sure more then the three copies SE charged you

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Not necessarily true. For example we have numerous consumer organisations in my country that would fight for you for free and we also got free lawyers for poor people, IF they take your case. It all depends on where you live. Maybe he is a lawyer himself?

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Have fun with that what you lawyer going to charge you pretty sure more then the three copies SE charged you

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You must not be aware of Class Action Lawsuit, in which a large number of plaintiffs are aggregated into one action, and while the lawyers do receive a big payout from any settlements, they are Qui Tam, or "will only get paid if we win".

Instead of rambling here in the threads, why don't you call SQEX's hotline or something and yell "I'm suing you!". And please practice your grammar, reading your post makes the impression that you're just a kid.

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Not necessarily true. For example we have numerous consumer organisations in my country that would fight for you for free and we also got free lawyers for poor people, IF they take your case. It all depends on where you live. Maybe he is a lawyer himself?

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Also, if enough people jump on this ship (I'm not there myself and doubt I would reach that level), it could turn into a class action law suit. Let's just hope they get their nonsense sorted out by next week and we're all laughing about this while having Mai Tai's at Costa del Sol! :)

jesus, are you like 12?

have you purchased the game? have you played it for more than zero minutes? yes? then they have delivered exactly what is guaranteed to you. no where does their EULA state that you, personally, will have completely uninterrupted access. In fact, it actually states the opposite. and you agreed to those terms when you signed up.

seriously, these threads about "ZOMG LAWSUIT" or "LEL CONTACT BBB" are so outrageously stupid.

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Originally Posted by Krimzin

LOL read the Eula you agreed to . You waived all your rights the first time you accepted it.

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if you truly believe your statement, you are not to smart! NO eula can take your rights away, Eula's cannot overwrite a countries consumer laws. For instance here in the USA Eula's mean nothing, the laws trump what ever eula you sign. They are more for those countries that do not have such consumer protection laws. I'm not saying I agree with the OP just sayin your statement is completely false!

SE is registered with the Better Business Bureau, or the BBB, so you can file an official compliant on there site. Mostly about how SE is taking their damn time and not doing anything constructive to fix the server congestion. Well, at least nothing that they are releasing to their consumers.

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Originally Posted by AlienWacKo

if you truly believe your statement, you are not to smart! NO eula can take your rights away, Eula's cannot overwrite a countries consumer laws. For instance here in the USA Eula's mean nothing, the laws trump what ever eula you sign. They are more for those countries that do not have such consumer protection laws. I'm not saying I agree with the OP just sayin your statement is completely false!

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Proof? Because I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by Ameroth

jesus, are you like 12?

have you purchased the game? have you played it for more than zero minutes? yes? then they have delivered exactly what is guaranteed to you. no where does their EULA state that you, personally, will have completely uninterrupted access. In fact, it actually states the opposite. and you agreed to those terms when you signed up.

seriously, these threads about "ZOMG LAWSUIT" or "LEL CONTACT BBB" are so outrageously stupid.

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Your stupidity is so indescribable that i cant say no more for your lack of intelligence but that ignorance is not a bliss in your case

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Your stupidity is so indescribable that i cant say no more for your lack of intelligence but that ignorance is not a bliss in your case

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the butthurt is strong with this little one.

rage harder. i bet it helps...

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the butthurt is strong with this little one.

rage harder. i bet it helps...

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you do realize sometimes it isn't about being butthurt? It is about principles!

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you do realize sometimes it isn't about being butthurt? It is about principles!

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/73680

again. please read this thread before commencing said butthurt.

tl;dr: there isn't enough server capacity for all of us yet. they did not anticipate such a large user-base because OB trials were incunclusive, and this is like one of the first MMOs to re-launch a 2nd time. it isn't just as cut-and-dry as "increase the queue or I'll go tell my daddy."

principles aside, if you have played at all so far, you have been given exactly what Squenix promised you. that's it. any sensible organization or lawyer will laugh in your face if you tried to bring this to any type of legal hearing.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/73680

again. please read this thread before commencing said butthurt.

tl;dr: there isn't enough server capacity for all of us yet. they did not anticipate such a large user-base because OB trials were incunclusive, and this is like one of the first MMOs to re-launch a 2nd time. it isn't just as cut-and-dry as "increase the queue or I'll go tell my daddy."

principles aside, if you have played at all so far, you have been given exactly what Squenix promised you. that's it. any sensible organization or lawyer will laugh in your face if you tried to bring this to any type of legal hearing.

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those are just excuses for poor planning,

your point of view about lawyers laughing in my face has nothing to do with me, I don't plan on suing just don't agree with your view point! My point is SE knew about these issues during beta 4 and could have started the process then instead of 1 day after early access. They had the numbers of preorder and knew to some degree what there player base would be at the start. They may have been inconclusive but if you work in the IT world like I do, you always build your infrastructure based on the worst case scenario then scale back from there after traffic studies have been done! IT infrastructure costs money yes, but that is the cost of providing adequate service! Honestly where I work, if we started a new server farm and had the problems SE is having right now, not only would I be fired but a few others that work for me or above would be too!

You can't see it right now, but I'm currently laughing very, very hard at you all.

Law suits? Really? Exactly how are you going to word it in a way that any lawyer wouldn't just laugh you out of his/her office?

I'm going to pose you a question now:
-What is it that can be done to fix the problems with the servers?

Really now. Really think about it.
Use your brains, and really think long and hard.

I'll give you a hint. Yohi himself has given the answer several times.

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those are just excuses for poor planning,

your point of view about lawyers laughing in my face has nothing to do with me, I don't plan on suing just don't agree with your view point! My point is SE knew about these issues during beta 4 and could have started the process then instead of 1 day after early access. They had the numbers of preorder and knew to some degree what there player base would be at the start. They may have been inconclusive but if you work in the IT world like I do, you always build your infrastructure based on the worst case scenario then scale back from there after traffic studies have been done! IT infrastructure costs money yes, but that is the cost of providing adequate service! Honestly where I work, if we started a new server farm and had the problems SE is having right now, not only would I be fired but a few others that work for me or above would be too!

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and you really don't understand how server architecture works, do you? they didn't have the gritty numbers until EA. Far less than enough time to physically build several machines, install and test software, and then deploy them. they weren't mind readers. they ran a conservative number based on the information they had at hand. all of the butt frustration on these forums could be explained as people who literally know nothing about deploying large-scale, enterprise sized server clusters to a world-wide market.

and hammering the forums with threads about lawsuits and threats is just simply childish. once again: if you have played the game for more than zero minutes, squenix has delivered exactly what you agreed to when you signed up. grow up and deal with.

better idea: go play outside

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You can't see it right now, but I'm currently laughing very, very hard at you all.

Law suits? Really? Exactly how are you going to word it in a way that any lawyer wouldn't just laugh you out of his/her office?

I'm going to pose you a question now:
-What is it that can be done to fix the problems with the servers?

Really now. Really think about it.
Use your brains, and really think long and hard.

I'll give you a hint. Yohi himself has given the answer several times.

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Joke's on you for your lack of reading comprehension.

Two key words, false advertising and windrawing none authorised payments

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-What is it that can be done to fix the problems with the servers?

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well one way to help the situation with the servers is having a AUTO AFK DISCONNECT feature built in. this would kick out all the players that AFK while at work or sleeping. Yes they do it because of the log in issues but it just compounds the problem for others. 2 wrongs don't make it right. They could also have a better queuing system, right not it seems that there server queues will only let about 100 or so wait in line before it decides to give the world is full error. Most other mmo's simply held you in the queue until there was a spot available even if you were number 200,001 in the queue! Those 2 features right there would make a lot of complainers content!

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Joke's on you for your lack of reading comprehension.

Two key words, false advertising and windrawing none authorised payments

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that was like 6 keywords.

Not even week from official launch and people already want to sue ever heard of little patience?

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Joke's on you for your lack of reading comprehension.

Two key words, false advertising and windrawing none authorised payments

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That's way more then 2 words and again read the Eula and you'll see they provided what they promised. Also how are they withdrawing unauthorized payments?

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and you really don't understand how server architecture works, do you?

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none of these issues have anything to do with server architectures, it's all about the planning, in this case with SE it was simply poor planning. Even Yoshi admitted that, he just added on the excuses afterwards about not having conclusive numbers. In reality there is no excuse, the buck stops with whoever was in charge! That I do give credit to Yoshi, he is taking responsibility for his or their poor planning and at least is trying to rectify it. Better to be late than never

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none of these issues have anything to do with server architectures, it's all about the planning, in this case with SE it was simply poor planning. Even Yoshi admitted that, he just added on the excuses afterwards about not having conclusive numbers. In reality there is no excuse, the buck stops with whoever was in charge! That I do give credit to Yoshi, he is taking responsibility for his or their poor planning and at least is trying to rectify it. Better to be late than never

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he acknowledged the issue, and yes it was poor planning. However fixing it and adding servers as well as increasing capacity does not just happens over night like we so wish it would be.

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he acknowledged the issue, and yes it was poor planning. However fixing it and adding servers as well as increasing capacity does not just happens over night like we so wish it would be.

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yes, that is correct it doesn't happen overnight which is why proper planning is essential to providing adequate services, which takes me back to my statement I made before. In the IT world you always plan for the worst case scenario than scale back from there. It is much easier to scale down than it is to scale up! The problem is in the MMO Genre if they do that and then have to scale down later with server merges this make them look like they failed but in reality they are just becoming more efficient but to most gamers and the general public they don't see that and see it as a failing MMO.

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LOL read the Eula you agreed to . You waived all your rights the first time you accepted it.

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eula has no weight in court.... Eula does not overturn the law....

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LOL read the Eula you agreed to . You waived all your rights the first time you accepted it.

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actually SE just violated 2 laws by doing that i know of here in the US ,in the US,UK,AUS & some other EU countries its illegal to make a clause via TOA online waivering customers rights to sue its also considered a non legal binding contract by the united states supreme court >so yes he can sue if the lawsuite is viable !!

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In the IT world you always plan for the worst case scenario than scale back from there. It is much easier to scale down than it is to scale up!

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That is so far beyond the truth. worst case scenario would be they setup an infastructure ready to handle millions, when only thousands showed up. then they are left with dozens of useless machines, and payed out the ass for something that wont be a profitable turnover. it's easier to scale up

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actually SE just violated 2 laws by doing that i know of here in the US ,in the US,UK,AUS & some other EU countries its illegal to make a clause via TOA online waivering customers rights to sue its also considered a non legal binding contract by the united states supreme court >so yes he can sue if the lawsuite is viable !!

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please provide citations for everything you have just stated.

otherwise go away.

More people should be pushing for the booting of afk players. This would reduce quite a bit of load, increase chances of actual players getting in, and make the game more engaging (nothing fun about logging in, only to find half the players are afk and there's no groups to join).

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if you truly believe your statement, you are not to smart! NO eula can take your rights away, Eula's cannot overwrite a countries consumer laws. For instance here in the USA Eula's mean nothing, the laws trump what ever eula you sign. They are more for those countries that do not have such consumer protection laws. I'm not saying I agree with the OP just sayin your statement is completely false!

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You are incorrect.

10.7 No Class Action Matters. Disputes will be arbitrated only on an individual basis and will not be consolidated with any other arbitration or other proceeding that involves any claim or controversy of any other party. But if, for any reason, any court with competent jurisdiction or any arbitrator selected pursuant to Section 10.3 holds that this restriction is unconscionable or unenforceable, then our agreement in Section 10.3 to arbitrate will not apply and the Dispute must be brought exclusively in court pursuant to Section 10.8.

So please do your research before you tell someone they are not smart, because it only makes you look less intelligent.

False advertising? Really? Hah. You amuse me. They gave me exactly what they advertised, Early Access, some special items for pre-ordering and my Collectors Edition items. Got it all.

Do you know what bugs are? Have you ever programmed anything as large scale as an MMO? You can never test for every eventuality. Everyone has different machines, different software. Different brains. A lot of the account issues came from simple misunderstanding of where to put your codes. Some were from third party retailers.
The only way to find out if your title is launch ready, is to Launch it. And Launch they did. Errors, bugs and capacity issues surfaced. You cant test what would happen to the servers with 200k+ concurrent connections from IP's from around the world without letting it out into the real world.

I remember many MMO launches that vastly overestimated their popularity. 3 games did this, in recent memory. Tera, SWTOR and Rift. They each started with a high number of servers. Far more than they could ever hope to populate. The result was empty worlds, worlds with barely 100 players in them. Dead worlds, in other words.

Ever heard the saying, "Measure twice cut once"? It applies here. They underestimated, on purpose, the popularity of the game, and with good reason, given the history of the title. The result is that we have 25 servers that are full to bursting with players. Hyperion feels incredibly alive to me when I'm able to log in. There are always players around me, i always see people chatting in /shout. For a launch week MMO, thats amazing. Of course, the downside to this is obvious, we have locked out players.
But I'd rather that than see what happened to Tera, they went form 10 dead servers to 3 reasonably populated ones. Its back up now, but it took them years to recover, aswell as a major overhaul to the business model.
They're installing more servers, form next week on, we shouldn't have any more log in issues. I, for one, am willing to give them the time and space they need to fix it.

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That is so far beyond the truth. worst case scenario would be they setup an infrastructure ready to handle millions, when only thousands showed up. then they are left with dozens of useless machines, and payed out the ass for something that wont be a profitable turnover. it's easier to scale up

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Well but it's not like SE is an indie company that's never ran an MMO before. . . In addition someone in SE knew exactly how many pre-orders were sold, how popular the franchise is, how many unique players were in beta, etc . . . The fact that they didn't plan for this is really more wishful thinking. In a company the size of SE, it's more likely they needed the infusion of revenue from the pre-orders (which generally aren't billed until release) to help fund infrastructure. Every major MMO has done this, but we (the gamers) just let it go if the game is good.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...17#post1132817

the producer comes with news...but NOTHING about people who bought the game on psn europe!!!!

the compensation to all is 7 days...and the new servers come 4th september...

so no solution for us till 4th september...

i want 7 days plus all the days i've lost since i bought the game...since i bought the game i can't even register the game...this is a joke. He only talks about people from EA...wtf...

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That is so far beyond the truth. worst case scenario would be they setup an infastructure ready to handle millions, when only thousands showed up. then they are left with dozens of useless machines, and payed out the ass for something that wont be a profitable turnover. it's easier to scale up

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jeez, you do realize that coming up with a worse case scenario is based on planning and research? where in the world has there been an MMO launch that has had MILLIONS of people show up on early access or even launch day? There has been none, not even wow. So your worse case scenerios of millions at launch is based off something that has never happened before! That kind of over planning is also poor planning, I assumed that would have been obvious to most of us!

This is for all of the complainers and those who feel greatly entitled to whatever they want...in spite of reality.

this game has a HUGE over response that was NEVER anticpated by anyone in the game industry ...professional or supporting like me. None of us expected this. It is wonderful but...the internet has limits. It is a finite system. It is like the freeway. If there are more people trying to travel than the system can handle, there are traffic jams. No one sues the State Highway departments for being stuck in traffic. You and we are all STUCK IN TRAFFIC. so please just do other things and wait like the rest of us. I cant play the game either because i am waiting for the physical game. I am trying to help new players and clam down angry ones like you all. Lets just take it easy and be nice.

Please stop trying to bully Square Enix..they created a GAME to play and enjoy. You are NOT guaranteed any rights or privledges other than the right to buy and play the game. If there are problems in the delivery of an online game they will make compensation such as free time to play. Any MMO provider may do that. But it is rude and very unkind to make threats and talk about lawsuits when we are here to have fun and to enjoy a shared experience. There are far too many such silly complaints in our worlds as it is by overly selfish people.

You all do know that Ameroth here is just trolling this, right?

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You are incorrect.

10.7 No Class Action Matters. Disputes will be arbitrated only on an individual basis and will not be consolidated with any other arbitration or other proceeding that involves any claim or controversy of any other party. But if, for any reason, any court with competent jurisdiction or any arbitrator selected pursuant to Section 10.3 holds that this restriction is unconscionable or unenforceable, then our agreement in Section 10.3 to arbitrate will not apply and the Dispute must be brought exclusively in court pursuant to Section 10.8.

So please do your research before you tell someone they are not smart, because it only makes you look less intelligent.

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all you did was quote from the eula, if what I say is true where the eula is not legally binding in some countries than what you quoted does not matter!

In the end I agree that if someone tried to sue they would have a hard time justifying it, my point is simply the fact that you signed a EULA does not mean you signed your rights away. You always have a course of action to protect yourself from certain coporation activities whether it be illegal or justifiable!

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Originally Posted by Drakent

Joke's on you for your lack of reading comprehension.

Two key words, false advertising and windrawing none authorised payments

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Is English your 2nd language?