Suggestion for Healers + Fate

Hey, I noticed that when healers who arnt in a party encounter a fate, like White Mage. We are rather weak, and lose mana quickly spamming Stone 1-2, we lack mana regen skills. up until lv 38. Ontop of that, if we heal during FATEs we dont get as much credit as A damage dealer or tank does. Specifically for the FATES that require killing mobs.

Could healers get some kind of support bonus for healing out of party players? As well as some kind of mechanic for healing out of party members during FATES? Specifically for targetting, and using AOE type heal spells.

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Another thing - Conjurers lack an AOE, a single one would do. I saw a monster cast Water II and i thought that be PERFECT for conjurers to use! just a medium AOE around the caster?

This. Even though I'm not a healer I would like for them to be rewarded to actually do what they do so well. I also find it sad that even when I yell when I died in a fate for a raise some 3-4 healers just ran past me without even a glance while the fate was still active and even at the end they just ran off to the next fate :(

I do have CNJ to 12 so I cross class to my archer and I do respond to people asking for raise. Even help random people if I see they are getting hit badly while doing whatever they are doing and spam cure on them.

This is sure is some troublesome balancing issue. We already get some reward for healing, however probably not much enough. On the other side nobody would like healers battleing over every HP to heal or maybe even lead to people volunteerly stripping off their armors to allow their healers in the party to heal even more HP and consequently improove the parties "Fate rating", but drop the speed of the fate finishing.
The big issue is the AI behind such a "rating". How can the server evaluate your support quality other than in raw HPs healed? Maybe number of people you healed? But in a boss fate there should be only 1 tank that needs heals. Maybe give you bonus when healing people that would have died with further damage within the next 10 seconds? Also starting too many counters/calculations/timers could stress the server too much. Since I haven't healed in the 30+ range till now I am pretty much out of more concrete ideas.

It would I think require a bit more split out approach for in-party vs out-of-party heals and fate heals and so on.

What I do with my Conjurer for FATEs is cross-class Flash and Foresight. I end up healing myself a lot and it nets me a lot of experience (both from the heals and enmity). It might not be the best approach but works for me for now...

On the topic, I agree with the OP. Something like Medica affecting people outside your party up to X people during FATEs would be nice...

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I've spent entire FATEs doing nothing but healing people (while not in a party myself) and gotten Gold awards every time.

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Originally Posted by Arec

Specifically for targetting, and using AOE type heal spells.

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This would be nice though! :)

It really depends on the fate, quite a few fates simply don't need more than a couple of chocobos spamming regen to be covered for heals. That leaves cnjs with the option of either trying to dps and praying the fate isn't too long. Or doing the whackamole tag game with flash and aero. Lame and completely unhelpful to the group imo.

The easiest option I can see would be to not require as much damage for a cnj to get gold as the dps classes.

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

The easiest option I can see would be to not require as much damage for a cnj to get gold as the dps classes.

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There already could be adjustments for this in game. Personally, I find getting golds doing dps as a WHM solo in FATEs is very easy. As long as you turn up towards the start then getting a gold reward is almost guaranteed.

Exactly how much xp are you talking about lacking here? On CNJ I get 3-5k just from spamming Stone 2 or Aero if they are dyeing fast.

on arcanist i can get gold easy by tagging things with bio. i'd think cnj can do the same with aero.

Or when a fate pops make a button to join a public party like other mmo's so us healers can heal to our hearts content?

/endrant

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Originally Posted by Zoeila

on arcanist i can get gold easy by tagging things with bio. i'd think cnj can do the same with aero.

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Your Bio ticks significantly harder than Aero does. And that gives you more credit, as far as I can tell.

I've never ran out of MP in a FATE o_O

As for score, tab-aero spam for groups and Stone II spam with Aero/Thunder is good for bosses. So long as I'm there near the start I get gold every time, even if I do slap a few people with heals.

Would be nice to have a switch to let our AoE heals heal everyone who isn't in party though (It'd be dangerous to always have it: Pulling aggro off other squads).

Ninja edit:
Actually there was one time, but I'd died and been resurrected mid fight, so kinda doesn't count.

The guarenteed way to get gold medals is exactly the same way smn'ers get it.
Spam Areo on every mob you see. You can also heal of course, but spam that Areo.

You know fates can suck for tanks too, we can barely attack anything before people start spamming AOE attacks, and by the time we target something else the fate is often over.

I agree with the AoE healing non party members in fates and on CNJ getting one offensive AoE and needing less damage to get gold.

Agreed, I have gone in healing and barely make a decent rating.
So why bother healing I guess?
Because it's what I like doing shoring up the party to make them stronger.

I second this that non party members get benefits of the AOE healing in fates.

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Originally Posted by kidxdynamite

Or when a fate pops make a button to join a public party like other mmo's so us healers can heal to our hearts content?

/endrant

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Please dont. I HATE public parties.

They already have a way to identify when you join a fate (to give you the level sync button), just make it so when you are in one your AoE heals affect all nearby people and not just party members and we are good to go in the healing part.

I usually end up putting aero on everything and healing the tank... It seems to work.. But i agree i would much rather be healing everyone and getting gold :D

I absolutely agree. This system is unbalanced as it stands right now.

When I first starting doing FATEs with my CNJ I focused on healing other pcs running around, cuz I thought, "that's my job." And let me tell you, it is not an easy job in a FATE! No party list so you are trying other methods of targeting PCs who are likely running around kiteing.

I thought I was making pretty good XP from it at first, but then I got lazy and spent a few FATEs just DPS as CNJ.... I easily earned 3x the XP as when I did 3x the work trying to Cure and Prot everyone... Not cool.

FFXI's large scale battle system (can't remember what they are called atm...) worked wonderfully for WHM's and other healing and support classes. I knew people who would just run around casting raise and make CRAP tons of XP.

We need the same thing for FATE!! Please! ^.^

need support!