Let us craft from Retainer Inventory

I love crafting in this game. It has been done extremely well. In fact, its so good I often find my entire inventory is full of crafting materials...as well as my Retainers. I end up having to spend an inordinate amount of time trading back and forth with my Retainer to get the crafting mats I need to keep going.

I propose that SE give us the ability to craft items with ingredients stored in the Retainer's inventory. To make it a little more realistic, I would require that the Retainer actually be summoned so they can "assist" by "handing the materials over" when I need them.

Not only would this make crafting more efficient and fun by reducing non-value added inventory management annoyances but it would leave more of your character's inventory open for precious loot.

/agree

also y cant we craft in our in room, theres no lag and the retainer bell isnt swamped -_-

Would LOVE both of those! Hope they will add those in the future, would help a LOT!

Is it possible to put a Disciple of War or Magics gear into the retainer and swap to it? For example swap from black mage to dragoon but my dragoons gear is in the retainer?

I would like this as well. Or give us some kind of materials bag

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Originally Posted by Lasteran

I love crafting in this game. It has been done extremely well. In fact, its so good I often find my entire inventory is full of crafting materials...as well as my Retainers. I end up having to spend an inordinate amount of time trading back and forth with my Retainer to get the crafting mats I need to keep going.

I propose that SE give us the ability to craft items with ingredients stored in the Retainer's inventory. To make it a little more realistic, I would require that the Retainer actually be summoned so they can "assist" by "handing the materials over" when I need them.

Not only would this make crafting more efficient and fun by reducing non-value added inventory management annoyances but it would leave more of your character's inventory open for precious loot.

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I was also thinking this and/or reduce the number and types of mats used in crafting, but that would be more labor intensive than your idea.

This a million times... Also a GW2 style "Deposit" would be cool, let us put them in the retainers inventory whenever and wherever.

dont forget some kind of sort function. at least give us alphabetical

This would be an amazing feature. I am skeptical that the PS3 would be able to handle such a memory-intensive proceedure though... Damn consoles! *shakes fist*

I can't even click the retainer bell due to idiots standing on top of it. Why do people do this? PLEASE give us our own bell in our room.

i dont really mind going into the retainer to get stuff, sure it would be faster to let us craft from it. but what i dont like is how you cant even tell how many of those items you have in the bank say if i had 1 "oak log" in my inventory it says 1/99(total:1) i just wish it would tell you have many you had in the bank aswell

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Originally Posted by Lasteran

I love crafting in this game. It has been done extremely well. In fact, its so good I often find my entire inventory is full of crafting materials...as well as my Retainers. I end up having to spend an inordinate amount of time trading back and forth with my Retainer to get the crafting mats I need to keep going.

I propose that SE give us the ability to craft items with ingredients stored in the Retainer's inventory. To make it a little more realistic, I would require that the Retainer actually be summoned so they can "assist" by "handing the materials over" when I need them.

Not only would this make crafting more efficient and fun by reducing non-value added inventory management annoyances but it would leave more of your character's inventory open for precious loot.

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Inventory management is an important part of crafting that leads to interesting decisions. Removing the decisions altogether is just dumbing down the game, so no thank you.

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Originally Posted by makii

I can't even click the retainer bell due to idiots standing on top of it. Why do people do this? PLEASE give us our own bell in our room.

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Rebind the "confirm" function to a key you can easily access. I got mine bound to "V". That way you just use "V" to access retainer in one press.

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Originally Posted by Crimsonforce

i dont really mind going into the retainer to get stuff, sure it would be faster to let us craft from it. but what i dont like is how you cant even tell how many of those items you have in the bank say if i had 1 "oak log" in my inventory it says 1/99(total:1) i just wish it would tell you have many you had in the bank aswell

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Yet another "dumbing down" change that people want to implement. Maybe take the time to actually organize your retainer so that you know where all your stuff is? Currently, you have to gauge the value of organizing your retainer vs spending that time crafting instead; that's an interesting decision you want to remove.

I speak of this as a crafter that has lv50 in all professions and can HQ i70 100% in 4 out of 8 of them. So yeah, I got some experience.

Could you imagine the army of crafters setting up shop around the summoning bells...

/signed
Also make it so the number of items owned in the tooltip, count the items on you retainer too. Now there is no way of knowing if you actually have said item unless you check you retainers every time..

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Originally Posted by makii

I can't even click the retainer bell due to idiots standing on top of it. Why do people do this? PLEASE give us our own bell in our room.

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You do have your own bell in your inn.

Eh GW2 and many other mmo allows this, why not FF that is a game much more craft based than any other mmo?

Ok with this idea at the condition it's an option that I won't use :D

I am the one who craft, so I'll have to take the mats from the retainer, hand to hand, that's what is happening now.

How do you explain you'll craft something in "Podunk" (in the middle of nowhere), using retainer's mats when that retainer is located in one of the main town? Mats are not sentient to use any kind of ether teleportation flow ..

Anyway, that will never be implemented, just because it's not worthy for SE to put some devs on this.

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Originally Posted by Lasteran

I love crafting in this game. It has been done extremely well. In fact, its so good I often find my entire inventory is full of crafting materials...as well as my Retainers. I end up having to spend an inordinate amount of time trading back and forth with my Retainer to get the crafting mats I need to keep going..

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Great point and i am sure many would agree.

Either that or least when we hover over some mats or items in the crafting log, while our characters inventory might not have any of the mats showing a (0), it would be nice if it would show us that our retainers have (xx) of that particular item/mat instead of making us run to our retainers to check which retainer has what.
This happens to me a lot since my retainers a littered with crafting mats that i have to filter through to find what i need.

Use this "inconvenience" to train your memory. You'll see you'll remember all what you have, how much units, and where, pretty quickly.

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Originally Posted by Deathgasm

Use this "inconvenience" to train your memory. You'll see you'll remember all what you have, how much units, and where, pretty quickly.

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While i would agree with you of course, considering one of my retainers is full and the other one is close to being full, that makes a total of about
5x5= 25 items per page
7x25 = 175 items per retainer
175 x 2=.... see where this is going?

If we were talking about 100 items then yeah, no problem remembering but there are more than 300 items.

Sure i can recall plenty but why should i if a simple system can be put in place.

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Originally Posted by Crimsonforce

but what i dont like is how you cant even tell how many of those items you have in the bank say if i had 1 "oak log" in my inventory it says 1/99(total:1) i just wish it would tell you have many you had in the bank aswell

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Originally Posted by HurtigeKarl

Yet another "dumbing down" change that people want to implement. Maybe take the time to actually organize your retainer so that you know where all your stuff is?

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How is that "dumbing down" the game? all i wanted was for them to say now many of the said items i had in my retainer if i'm out in the world so i know how many i need to farm. And for your information my retainer's are allready organized but if i dont know how many i have in the bank out side in the world what good is that?

Sorry if that sounded rude, just my 2 cents

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Originally Posted by Crimsonforce

How is that "dumbing down" the game? all i wanted was for them to say now many of the said items i had in my retainer if i'm out in the world so i know how many i need to farm. And for your information my retainer's are allready organized but if i dont know how many i have in the bank out side in the world what good is that?

Sorry if that sounded rude, just my 2 cents

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Because "dumbing down" = changing the game in such way that you have to think less and do less interesting decisions. Currently you should compare the value of organizing your retainer vs the gil you would have earned if you spent that time crafting instead.

By removing that step, you dumb down the game.

If you are for some reason unable to in any way organize your retainer so that you got a good idea of how many items you have. Then take a paper and write numbers down.

For instance here is a few methods I've used to "clean" my inventory and retainer:

1. Use ffxivdb or eorzapedia to see if the material is worth keeping for future crafts as convenience, then check market to see if I should sell it or throw away.

2. Organize by profession, such as skins in one part, ores/ingots in another part.

3. If you got many of an item (500+), you can keep like 400ish in retainer, and 100 in inventory, then whenever you are about to run out, you refill from retainer, and when retainer is about to run out, you refill from market.

There are many more methods of course.

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Originally Posted by HurtigeKarl

Inventory management is an important part of crafting that leads to interesting decisions. Removing the decisions altogether is just dumbing down the game, so no thank you.

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Maybe you like wasting time playing the inventory game with your retainer but most of us do not. It does not advance the game, it does not make crafting more rewarding, it does not increase the value of items crafted...all it does is add an unwanted annoyance. Maybe you think they should get rid of the Aetheryte Crystals too? Or maybe even get rid of mounts entirely? I mean, distance and time to travel to an area could lead to some "interesting decisions". If its too far maybe some players will just never go.

I understand where you're coming from...you think inventory management is part of crafting. I disagree, as do most people.

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Originally Posted by Lasteran

Maybe you like wasting time playing the inventory game with your retainer but most of us do not. It does not advance the game, it does not make crafting more rewarding, it does not increase the value of items crafted...all it does is add an unwanted annoyance. Maybe you think they should get rid of the Aetheryte Crystals too? Or maybe even get rid of mounts entirely? I mean, distance and time to travel to an area could lead to some "interesting decisions". If its too far maybe some players will just never go.

I understand where you're coming from...you think inventory management is part of crafting. I disagree, as do most people.

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I wouldn't say most. Inventory management is a staple of practically every mmo. Not everything is about instant gratification and simplicity.

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Originally Posted by HurtigeKarl

Because "dumbing down" = changing the game in such way that you have to think less and do less interesting decisions. Currently you should compare the value of organizing your retainer vs the gil you would have earned if you spent that time crafting instead.

By removing that step, you dumb down the game.

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Dude...you have a very weird idea about what dumbing down means. Do you think cars are dumbing dumb because people should have to walk everywhere they need to go? I mean, not having a vehicle sure would present you with some "interesting decisions".

Dumbing down != removing asinine annoyances from the game.

Let me give you and example of dumbing down.

The current crafting system has a system of durability, progress, quality. Your ability to craft is affected by your stats (craftsmanship, control, CP, etc...) Then there is also the changing item condition that affects quality gains. You have to be very careful and use your skills wisely in order get the highest possible HQ chance.

An example of how this could be dumbed down would resemble the WoW crafting system. Gather the materials, hit craft button. Voila, there's your crafted item.

I know you're going to reply back about how I'm a casual who just isn't hardcore enough to understand how moving items around on my retainer is so very important and makes crafting fun...but I just thought I'd give my 2cp.

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Originally Posted by BlackPriest

I wouldn't say most. Inventory management is a staple of practically every mmo. Not everything is about instant gratification and simplicity.

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What the heck are you even talking about? Instant gratification and simplicity? You think inventory management between me and my retainer is some kind of integral part of the crafting experience?

I still have to farm the items, I still have to craft the items, I still have to store the items.

Instant gratification, LOL!

I am all for old school gameplay mechanics but I am against things that are just stupid. I would be totally OK with making it twice as hard as it currently is to HQ something. Hell make it three times as hard. You won't hear a complaint out of me.

But make me click 15 times when the same thing (finding a snurble tuft hidden away in one of my retainers' inventories) could be done automatically AND REMOVE NOTHING FROM THE GAME OTHER THAN WASTED CLICKS, then I ask for this problem to be looked at.

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Originally Posted by Lasteran

Maybe you like wasting time playing the inventory game with your retainer but most of us do not. It does not advance the game, it does not make crafting more rewarding, it does not increase the value of items crafted...all it does is add an unwanted annoyance. Maybe you think they should get rid of the Aetheryte Crystals too? Or maybe even get rid of mounts entirely? I mean, distance and time to travel to an area could lead to some "interesting decisions". If its too far maybe some players will just never go.

I understand where you're coming from...you think inventory management is part of crafting. I disagree, as do most people.

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Jesus christ. Note that I wrote " "dumbing down" = changing the game in such way that you have to think less and do less interesting decisions."

How are mounts changing the game so that you have to overall think less and do less interesting decisions? A decision implies that you have to choose between different options; by removing one option that evidently comes with its costs and benefits, you often simply dumb down the game.

Currently we have travel by chocobo porter: you can afk, cost little gil, but takes significant time. Travel by teleportation: costs higher gil, instant, has "favourite location" feature that introduces interesting choices. Travel by mount: cost no gil, takes significant time, limited afk ability. Return: costs no gil, can only bind to one location, has cooldown.

Removing mounts will lead to having overall less interesting decisions, i.e. dumbing down. Similar argument for removing crystals.

Rewarding in what sense? I find it a bit intellectually rewarding in the sense that I have to take more interesting decisions.

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Originally Posted by HurtigeKarl

Jesus christ. Note that I wrote " "dumbing down" = changing the game in such way that you have to think less and do less interesting decisions."

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I do not find clicking through 14 pages of retainer inventory to find something, interesting.

And you totally missed the point of my entire post...so I will try to dumb it down.

Travel by walking takes a long time.
Adding mounts and crystals makes travel faster.
Mounts and crystals are good.

Moving junk around between my inventory and retainer takes a long time
Not having to do that makes it faster
Not having to do that is good

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Originally Posted by Lasteran

I do not find clicking through 14 pages of retainer inventory to find something, interesting.

And you totally missed the point of my entire post...so I will try to dumb it down.

Travel by walking takes a long time.
Adding mounts and crystals makes travel faster.
Mounts and crystals are good.

Moving junk around between my inventory and retainer takes a long time
Not having to do that makes it faster
Not having to do that is good

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Don't have things you aren't using in your inventory, inventory space issues solved.

Stop hoarding everything you find.

I've had both my retainers full since ARR launched. I don't organize anything and it still takes me minimal time to find anything.

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Originally Posted by Lasteran

I do not find clicking through 14 pages of retainer inventory to find something, interesting.

And you totally missed the point of my entire post...so I will try to dumb it down.

Travel by walking takes a long time.
Adding mounts and crystals makes travel faster.
Mounts and crystals are good.

Moving junk around between my inventory and retainer takes a long time
Not having to do that makes it faster
Not having to do that is good

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Let's compromise: let them implement a feature that does a "Chocobo porter/teleport" analogy for retainers but with a gil fee, just like for teleporters. That's the one way to design it so that it doesn't "dumb down" the game. Those who already have organized retainers may choose to not use it, but those who have messy ones or bad memory can pay fee to have easier access.

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Originally Posted by Lasteran

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I propose that SE give us the ability to craft items with ingredients stored in the Retainer's inventory. To make it a little more realistic, I would require that the Retainer actually be summoned so they can "assist" by "handing the materials over" when I need them.

Not only would this make crafting more efficient and fun by reducing non-value added inventory management annoyances but it would leave more of your character's inventory open for precious loot.

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Yes though I'd also like a Guild Wars 2 'collectables' system.
Being able to open inventory and deposit items to an account wide master vault in which each item type is separated into it's own special bank - extremely useful.

At the moment I have more of a challenge logistically managing my inventories than I do running dungeons.

Retainers were a mistake back in 1.x, and it is still a mistake now under the current bare bone implementation.

They are:
1. Hard to access, other then limited locations in cities and inaccessible in the field
2. disorganized and unsorted items
3. Inability to determine the total number you have for a given item (ie: 37 in total inv, vs 10 in R1, 20 in R2, and 7 in inv)
4. Ineffective when it comes to gather materials needed for a given "bill of materials"

The old 1.x inventory lack-of-management system needs to go, and a much improved system is way over due.

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Originally Posted by Deathgasm

How do you explain you'll craft something in "Podunk" (in the middle of nowhere), using retainer's mats when that retainer is located in one of the main town? Mats are not sentient to use any kind of ether teleportation flow ..

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You can TP from no where to any TP node, so why not your material? Since when a FF game is so limited?

jc

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Originally Posted by Lasteran

I love crafting in this game. It has been done extremely well. In fact, its so good I often find my entire inventory is full of crafting materials...as well as my Retainers. I end up having to spend an inordinate amount of time trading back and forth with my Retainer to get the crafting mats I need to keep going.

I propose that SE give us the ability to craft items with ingredients stored in the Retainer's inventory. To make it a little more realistic, I would require that the Retainer actually be summoned so they can "assist" by "handing the materials over" when I need them.

Not only would this make crafting more efficient and fun by reducing non-value added inventory management annoyances but it would leave more of your character's inventory open for precious loot.

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Amen

/10char

Good idea. But maybe only allow this when crafting in your house when housing gets added.

It makes sense, all ingredients are in reaching distance.

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Originally Posted by AttacKat

You can TP from no where to any TP node, so why not your material? Since when a FF game is so limited?

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Since this, certainly:
Aetheryte

People should read.. all was explained in-game very well :rolleyes:

I expect the auto-sorting to solve most of the issues with finding the items among the pages of the retainer's inventory. I do not mind crafting using the retainer's inventory as well, but if I can at least almost intantly find the item I need from the retainer, and NOT spend much time putting the items in the retainer's inventory in the first place (pages 1-2 will be for fish, ok, now lets put all the fish in their correspoding slots, all done by hand..) then it will all be ok.

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Originally Posted by TGB_Bane

/agree

also y cant we craft in our in room, theres no lag and the retainer bell isnt swamped -_-

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Very good suggestion.
Wish SE would read this and implement.

Llan Hana.

I agree to this feature! welcome in 2013!

Let me add some arguments why not having a seperate crafting material stash (think Guild Wars 2) is just stupid, a waste of time and actually having that kind of stash is NOT dumbing down anything.
I want to play FF 14 ARR the ROLE PLAYING GAME, I do not want to play FF 14 ARR's 'Inventory management let's-frustrate-the-player' subgame.

The crafting part of the game IS about making 'interesting decisions' about ... well ... CRAFTING ... not about where I have put my crafting materials and not about moving materials around to and from my backpack using retainers that are only available in certain area's nowhere close to the crafting area's. Retainers are there to buy and sell stuff, not to be used as storage space because we simply do not have anything better at the moment.

You can switch to any Disciple of War\Magic\the Land by switching gear and off you go having fun with that 'role' (remember ... ROLE playing game ...).
But when you want to play a Disciple of the Hand you first have to [a] check what you are going to need for whatever you want to craft, [b] go to your retainer(s), [c] find the materials and transfer them to your backpack, [d] do your crafting, [e] do [a] to [d] again if you decide to do some more crafting with other materials etc. and [f] go back to your retainer(s) and UNLOAD your backpack again. Notice that ONLY at point [d] you are actually crafting, the rest is just a waste of precious time.

About precious time. I work and have a life offline that doesn't involve FF 14 or any computer game. So when I actually play a game like FF 14 I want to have fun. So I do not like it when I have to spend time on boring micro-management that has nothing to do with the core gameplay and doesn't improve my skills etc. at playing my character.