DEX vs STR for ARC

I know that most people say that stat don't play too much into the game right now, but I was wondering what most of the higher rank archers focus on in terms of stats.

Traditionally I think most RPG style games uses DEX as a way of gauging damage output for ranged types. However on the lodestone page, I don't remember seeing any mention about DEX factoring into damage output for ARC.

With that said, I'm wondering if people are focusing more on DEX for accuracy, or STR for more DPS output, or both? I know some may say it just depends on your playstyle, but I was curious what people think works best for them.

you can almost hit cap on both, i have like..174 str 9x vit 160+ dex

ps: traits are required.

cheers.

As a dps class make sure you hit hard, crits are nice, but always depends on a steady of high hitting attacks, with a truly great tank, you should never get hit so you also have to find good placement, when you get the hang of things drop all vit and pump dex, after already maxing str, str is your most useful stat, but remember your strength always needs support from dex for you to really be a great high dmg archer. The man above me knows his stuff.

I personally choose to not put all of my stats into DEX and STR only like the posters above. I want to be able to not drop like a fly if the Great Buffalo uses Sonorous Blast and tanks can't draw hate and it comes to me. I would gladly take the 1-2 dmg reduction if I don't get one-shotted. The more time I spend standing, the less time the mage needs to spend rezing me and can focus on healing. With that being said, having some Piety helps depending on what attacks you use. Debuffs are influenced heavily by Piety so if you want to make sure Bloodletter sticks that debuff, put more into Piety. Mind and Int though? Pretty worthless for a DD

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Originally Posted by JayvirDeforte

I personally choose to not put all of my stats into DEX and STR only like the posters above. I want to be able to not drop like a fly if the Great Buffalo uses Sonorous Blast and tanks can't draw hate and it comes to me. I would gladly take the 1-2 dmg reduction if I don't get one-shotted. The more time I spend standing, the less time the mage needs to spend rezing me and can focus on healing. With that being said, having some Piety helps depending on what attacks you use. Debuffs are influenced heavily by Piety so if you want to make sure Bloodletter sticks that debuff, put more into Piety. Mind and Int though? Pretty worthless for a DD

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Agreed about piety, but that's personal taste.

About hate, if you keep using Quelling Strike between raging strike/ferocity shots, you'll rarely aggro(if the tank is decent), and if you do, you still have Chameleon on your sleeve, so it's very difficult to get aggro on NMs imho..

Well, aggro during the great buffalo is sometimes inevitable for an archer. If Sonorous Blast hits all of the close melee players, either the mages or the archers will take it. Since most mages heal, Archers will likely take it.

The simple answer to your question:

STR increases average damage. DEX increases accuracy and crit hit rate. Personally, I put more into DEX because (1) with misses you do zero damage, and (2) increasing crits will do more damage over the long run than just increasing average damage.

everyone knows stats dont do anything =p cept vit and mind

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Originally Posted by Shampooo

everyone knows stats dont do anything =p cept vit and mind

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This is only too true. People can debate all day about theoretical stat allotments. But really it doesn't matter all that much if you put max points in STR or DEX, since there's a hidden stat cap anyway. But if you do hit that cap, you are neglecting the other stats you may need for crafting jobs. I'd just say put a bunch in VIT so you don't die, then distribute the rest of your stats evenly until they remove physical levels and fix the stat system.

I would love to see an Archer try to hit with no Dex. Good luck with that lol

stats doing do anything? D= this game confuses me.

The stat system upon initial release of the game was broken and incomplete. Currently based on solid parse results, DEX provides no gain as far as critical hits & accuracy is concerned. Piety has an impact on the ability of DoTs (from spells or weapon skills) to stick. STR does have an influence, but it is very minimal. Vit/Mnd are important for keeping your HP/MP up, and MND on an Melee class actually increases your survivability tenfold provided you have your protects/shells/cure IIs/sanc IIs.

So yes, stats are broken and anything pumped into STR/DEX at this point in time is moot. Once the battle changes are implemented this Spring, I'm sure you will see stats being fixed along with them, or near-to. For now, pump your VIT & MND as they will be the factors in helping you survive.

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Originally Posted by JayvirDeforte

I would love to see an Archer try to hit with no Dex. Good luck with that lol

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only have 14(+3 with jewelry) dex here. Actually only got 16 (+2 with jewelry) str and as I can still hit for a decent amount. I quicknock mobs 10 ranks above me for at (the very) least 60dmg without buffs and quite regularly too. The stats as they are now, do nothing or have negligible impact on our chararcters which is a crying shame D: roll on the job system patch!

my dex is in the 76 only in 80s do to gear... i hit 90% of the time and im r42 archer///// dex is broken my personal advice STR > VIT

My DEX is bare minimum for my race (17). I observe no problems whatsoever with accuracy.
Invest heavily in STR as this ups the damage of basic attacks (not necesarily in weaponskills).

Well, i played with these stats long time ago.
Killing Raptors in Coerthas, same mob, same arrow, same gear.

With less str.. lets say 50 and inputting most of the points in Dex... around 150, i am dealing below decent damage on Raptors and takes more time to kill. And about critical hit rate? It didn't work much for me, it doesn't let me critic often or maybe i'm just having a badluck

Now boosting str to 150+ with about 70-80 dex, i'm doing above decent damage and killing Raptors within 10-15 secs. Accuracy didn't worry me that much, aslong u have silver rings or whatever accuracy gear you can get.

With the stat system getting overhauled anything here whether it's 100% accurate or completely false will simply be null and void.

Best just to wait and see what works best after it's been patched.

Anyone that says dex is required for Arc, has clearly never tried not putting points into Dex. Dex barely effects acc/crits. I have 60 dex. I crit all the time, and i barely miss. Acc/Crit come from having a good weapon, not from stats. Pump Strength and Vitality, with a few points in Mnd/Pie. Read the notes from the devs, they admit stats do next to nothing. Get an HQ Crab Bow, and you're all set.

Ritsku is right. I recently removed points from dex.. down to around 40-50, and it made no difference whatsoever. its just wasted points you could use in other places

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Originally Posted by Belial

The stat system upon initial release of the game was broken and incomplete. Currently based on solid parse results, DEX provides no gain as far as critical hits & accuracy is concerned. Piety has an impact on the ability of DoTs (from spells or weapon skills) to stick. STR does have an influence, but it is very minimal. Vit/Mnd are important for keeping your HP/MP up, and MND on an Melee class actually increases your survivability tenfold provided you have your protects/shells/cure IIs/sanc IIs.

So yes, stats are broken and anything pumped into STR/DEX at this point in time is moot. Once the battle changes are implemented this Spring, I'm sure you will see stats being fixed along with them, or near-to. For now, pump your VIT & MND as they will be the factors in helping you survive.

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Originally Posted by Ritsku

Anyone that says dex is required for Arc, has clearly never tried not putting points into Dex. Dex barely effects acc/crits. I have 60 dex. I crit all the time, and i barely miss. Acc/Crit come from having a good weapon, not from stats. Pump Strength and Vitality, with a few points in Mnd/Pie. Read the notes from the devs, they admit stats do next to nothing. Get an HQ Crab Bow, and you're all set.

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I agree with you both, stats are horribly broken at the moment. However (as we all know by now), SE have confirmed they will be (supposedly) repairing stats and making 1 point of each stat "do more". How true this turns out to be remains to be seen.

The main reason I've put points into STR and DEX was to see what kind of point distribution I had to play around with, assuming the stats worked - for future reference. As I craft (but don't play DoM), I need points in INT/MND/PIE, so I will never be able to push my points into the stats I may eventually want (post-fix in the future) - as I hate constant point re-allocation - unless SE allow each class to remember its stat allocation (god I hope so).

If you want to improve acc/crits, use a decent bow and decent arrows (it does seem make a difference to me, but I've not parsed it). As most Archers seems hellbent on sticking with Warped Arrows regardless of Rank, that's a potential area for improvement a lot of us are ignoring.

If you really need to spend points in VIT/MND as an Archer to improve survivability, might that suggest you need to look at your style of play/where you stand if you keep getting hit? I agree, PIE is useful for Bloodletter DoT.

I keep reading about people saying Bloodletter is affected by PIE, but it's not a DoT o.O. It does 500 damage when the affect wears off. I've watched my combat logs and I've never seen any DoT effect from this ability.

Up until I took up fishing I had no points put into PIE and I saw no problems getting Bloodletter to land. What's hilarious is with 43 PIE my Bloodletter lands -less- often than before. Personally I think it's because I lowered my melee stats overall to put points into my caster stats for gathering. This is only my opinion, however, not actual proof. :)

Where exactly is the proof that Bloodletter is affected by PIE?

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Originally Posted by Maruviel

I keep reading about people saying Bloodletter is affected by PIE, but it's not a DoT o.O. It does 500 damage when the affect wears off. I've watched my combat logs and I've never seen any DoT effect from this ability.

Up until I took up fishing I had no points put into PIE and I saw no problems getting Bloodletter to land. What's hilarious is with 43 PIE my Bloodletter lands -less- often than before. Personally I think it's because I lowered my melee stats overall to put points into my caster stats for gathering. This is only my opinion, however, not actual proof. :)

Where exactly is the proof that Bloodletter is affected by PIE?

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Parsing done, but at one point during patching a few months ago, after the party nerfs & NM nerfs, PIE seemed to have lost it's effect on weaponskill DoTs. Bloodletter does tick for a small amount though it does not show in your combat log, however the biggest perk is not the DoT, but the burst and the increased projectile damage. But all combat functions are moot anyway, until battle changes are complete I wouldn't even worry about it TBH.

What is your source for the claim that Bloodletter increases projectile damage?

Whoever says stats are broken, they are correct.
Whoever says DEX helps, hasn't tested it.

I keep my Dex at 15 and all my elements at base and it has no impact on any fighting situation.
The only thing I have seen to affect accuracy is your rank & weapon vs the mob's rank and mob type.
STR VIT MND and INT are the only stats I have seen make a difference, and since I don't play as a mage I go all STR and VIT.

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Originally Posted by Spider-Dan

What is your source for the claim that Bloodletter increases projectile damage?

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To be completely honest, I can't for the life of me find it nor remember and may have been talking out of my ass on that one...

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Originally Posted by Holyomen

Whoever says stats are broken, they are correct.
Whoever says DEX helps, hasn't tested it.

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Give it a week, all this stuff will change come next Thursday's patch.

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Originally Posted by Belial

Give it a week, all this stuff will change come next Thursday's patch.

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here it is 3 days after Thursday's patch, and nothing has changed :)

And I am surprised to see a 50ARC in here say that Bloodletter does not do DoT and only bursts at the end. I would have thought all of us at one point in time when we first got it, used it and just sat there and watched the mobs HP bar slowly but surely tic down.

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Originally Posted by Scape

here it is 3 days after Thursday's patch, and nothing has changed :)

And I am surprised to see a 50ARC in here say that Bloodletter does not do DoT and only bursts at the end. I would have thought all of us at one point in time when we first got it, used it and just sat there and watched the mobs HP bar slowly but surely tic down.

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Meh, 1.19 physical level adjustments are done, thought it was 1.18. Either way, plenty has changed as far as battle mechanics go, and the next couple patches will see large adjustments as well.

I hope so, I haven't really bothered with my stats in a long time. And once they do fix the stats, I really hope they make it easier to reallocate points.

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Originally Posted by Scape

I hope so, I haven't really bothered with my stats in a long time. And once they do fix the stats, I really hope they make it easier to reallocate points.

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Yea, according to notes it looks like you'll have the option to auto-assign points, or assign them yourself, and they will be on a per-class basis which should make things a lot easier.

My Archer has 165 str 165 dex 117 vit (with +15 str dex vit traits) im happy with my dmg and accuracy.