The Need for more LEVES

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03-08-2011, 06:35 PM
PM1337

The Need for more LEVES

While the addition of quest are great for content, for me, they are lacking in that I was hoping that it was going to be a new way to level. I think the leves are fine, but I am tired, very tired, of the same leves and even the same type of leve. There is NO variation, ok honestly there is LITTLE variation. Since right now its the only means we have to level, beside solo/party grinding, I wish they would add to it. Along with the bimonthly/monthly addition of quest SE should also add in new leves. Also, does anyone really enjoy the rewards??? Gil great, but what to buy really??? Equipment, beside the weapons to unlock all the jobs, my stuff is better, and if its not I have more then enough gil to buy more, and guild marks, well I made the mistake of leveling a lot of jobs so now I get offered guildmarks for jobs sitting at level 10, while I haven't seen a CON guildmark in days. Please fix this SE!!! I think this holds back FFXIV a LOT!!!
03-08-2011, 06:44 PM
Zorvan

Don't need more daily quests ( leves ). Just get cracking on REAL quests with REAL rewards and XP/SP like every successful mmo out there.
03-08-2011, 06:51 PM
Xatsh

They need to stay away from XP/SP rewards in any large amount. Maby like 500-1000sp a quest would be ok.

Quest based mmos tend to push soloing way too much, which destroys the ability to party and the community in the game.

Now if they added group based quest (ones that require like 4 or 8 ppl to even attempt) and rewarded like 5k sp/xp I would be all for it.
03-08-2011, 06:52 PM
Gath

No more leves, but more mobs and faster mob spawns on some certain grindable mobs :D
03-08-2011, 07:01 PM
Zorvan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xatsh

They need to stay away from XP/SP rewards in any large amount. Maby like 500-1000sp a quest would be ok.

Quest based mmos tend to push soloing way too much, which destroys the ability to party and the community in the game.

Now if they added group based quest (ones that require like 4 or 8 ppl to even attempt) and rewarded like 5k sp/xp I would be all for it.

I don't want them to give me a level worth per quest or anything like that, just give me a reason to want to bother with the quest at all. And reading a book (text)/watching a movie (cutscene) for "lore" is not a valid enough reason to bother unless out of sheer boredom.
03-08-2011, 07:04 PM
Rinsui

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And reading a book (text)/watching a movie (cutscene) for "lore" is not a valid enough reason to bother unless out of sheer boredom

Huh. So basically you say that you play the game to level, and not to enjoy the story?
03-08-2011, 07:06 PM
Gath

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rinsui

Huh. So basically you say that you play the game to level, and not to enjoy the story?

Some people think that leveling is all that is to an MMO though :o
03-08-2011, 07:09 PM
Xatsh

I think the quest should have other things. Sorta like in FFXI: fame (Rep in other games), they unlocked better quest like the smner fights and teleport scroll quest. Even the Star Onion brigade ended with a decent item after that quest line.

I think they need to up the rewards from quest and add more incentive, but not necessarily with alot of sp/xp.
03-08-2011, 07:10 PM
PM1337

I would be fine with removing leves totally if there was another way to level, but SE took away other means to level unless I just go Rambo on every mobs a$$. Even questing you don't get SP/EX for killing the mob (I agree you shouldn't get SP/EX just for finishing a quest, but at least give us the SP/EX for killing the mob). Your forced to do leves if you want to leve unless of course you have 2-3 hours to play then party it up, but I don't have that much time everyday, just on the weekends. So is leveling only for the weekends and if so what do I do for the weekdays? I finished all the quests I can do. I think there has to be more of something to fix this problems and questing wasn't it.
03-08-2011, 07:11 PM
Gath

Quote:

Originally Posted by PM1337

I would be fine with removing leves totally if there was another way to level, but SE took away other means to level unless I just go Rambo on every mobs a$$. Even questing you don't get SP/EX for killing the mob (I agree you shouldn't get SP/EX just for finishing a quest, but at least give us the SP/EX for killing the mob). Your forced to do leves if you want to leve unless of course you have 2-3 hours to play then party it up, but I don't have that much time everyday, just on the weekends. So is leveling only for the weekends and if so what do I do for the weekdays? I finished all the quests I can do. I think there has to be more of something to fix this problems and questing wasn't it.

There are spots in game where you can girnd with a party from 20-50, you just need to explore the world with a gorup and fight everything to see what does and gives what.
03-08-2011, 07:15 PM
Lebannen

Im hoping that they remove the max 8 leve limit a day.
03-08-2011, 07:33 PM
Nephera

right now the best way to level if you dont have a party for whatever reason (all your friends quit, they have jobs, you woke up at 3am and you cant sleep, your friends are a million levels ahead of you) feels like

1)Do leves
2) play a different game while waiting for behests to pop.
3)do behests
4) repeat 2.

there is no engaging storyline there... or even a difficult fight.

edit: or browse the forum while waiting for behests to pop, which is what i'm doing right now.
03-08-2011, 10:08 PM
Zorvan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rinsui

Huh. So basically you say that you play the game to level, and not to enjoy the story?

No, that's not what I'm saying. I thought I said it plain enough that it wouldn't need spelling out.

If all I'm going to do is read or watch a cutscene, then it is NOT worth it.

If I'm going to read or watch a cutscene AND get XP/SP, it's worth it.

I do not prefer leveling to story, I prefer to level while I'm getting that story.
03-08-2011, 10:36 PM
Xagen

Quote:

Originally Posted by PM1337

While the addition of quest are great for content, for me, they are lacking in that I was hoping that it was going to be a new way to level. I think the leves are fine, but I am tired, very tired, of the same leves and even the same type of leve. There is NO variation, ok honestly there is LITTLE variation. Since right now its the only means we have to level, beside solo/party grinding, I wish they would add to it. Along with the bimonthly/monthly addition of quest SE should also add in new leves. Also, does anyone really enjoy the rewards??? Gil great, but what to buy really??? Equipment, beside the weapons to unlock all the jobs, my stuff is better, and if its not I have more then enough gil to buy more, and guild marks, well I made the mistake of leveling a lot of jobs so now I get offered guildmarks for jobs sitting at level 10, while I haven't seen a CON guildmark in days. Please fix this SE!!! I think this holds back FFXIV a LOT!!!

Your not the only one tired of the same leaves. They defenetly need to add much more leaves with diferent unique objectives (And not just copy, paste, rename the same leaves). Gil rewards are ok. Atleast the rewards arent useles items. I prefer Guild marks(atleast for now while i still have something 2 buy with them :D, but lack of things to buy with guild marks thats another topic).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zorvan

Don't need more daily quests ( leves ). Just get cracking on REAL quests with REAL rewards and XP/SP like every successful mmo out there.

"Real qusts"? you mean the kind that give xp/sp and alot of junk items for completing? Then hell no this isn't wow :D i prefer the curent rewards. Besides leave mobs give good exp already, so there is no need for extra xp/sp reward.
03-08-2011, 10:51 PM
Psion

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zorvan

No, that's not what I'm saying. I thought I said it plain enough that it wouldn't need spelling out.

If all I'm going to do is read or watch a cutscene, then it is NOT worth it.

If I'm going to read or watch a cutscene AND get XP/SP, it's worth it.

I do not prefer leveling to story, I prefer to level while I'm getting that story.

Only problem is, the quests we have so far don't give either XP/SP OR storyline. Well, maybe a tiny bit, but it's hardly even close to the zilart quests in quality, and nowhere near the epic cutscenes and stories of post CoP quests. I'd personally rather have an incredible storyline and pathetic rewards, than a quest with no real storyline but 5000 SP, for instance. Of course, if it gives both, even better! But to me the most memorable quests weren't getting my CoP ring in the upper Jeuno tavern, or my sky gear from the uncursing NPC in San d'oria, but the epic closing cutscene in CoP to the song "Distant worlds", reminising over the grand adventures and epic fights with my linkshell I had, the utter hilarity of "Three Men and a Closet", or the adorable quest of "Babban Ny Mheillea", with a final surprise of a title that made lycopodiums dance for me and granted a regen effect.

I agree that monsters in quests should give SP/loot/whatever, similar to how FFXI was done, but all I ask is that storyline doesn't get sacrificed for "oh, look, shiny item!". Still, I have confidence, as I have done almost all of Bastok, Windurst's, and Jeuno's quests, and noticed how the pre-Zilart quests were pretty much the same as FFXIV, being "kill X amount of mobs" with little storyline, and how a sharp jump in quality came for each expansion. I trust the same will happen here, as the storytellers first get the time to craft actual lore for the game, and then develop a solid base to build on that lore.
03-09-2011, 05:25 AM
Zorvan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psion

Only problem is, the quests we have so far don't give either XP/SP OR storyline. Well, maybe a tiny bit, but it's hardly even close to the zilart quests in quality, and nowhere near the epic cutscenes and stories of post CoP quests. I'd personally rather have an incredible storyline and pathetic rewards, than a quest with no real storyline but 5000 SP, for instance. Of course, if it gives both, even better! But to me the most memorable quests weren't getting my CoP ring in the upper Jeuno tavern, or my sky gear from the uncursing NPC in San d'oria, but the epic closing cutscene in CoP to the song "Distant worlds", reminising over the grand adventures and epic fights with my linkshell I had, the utter hilarity of "Three Men and a Closet", or the adorable quest of "Babban Ny Mheillea", with a final surprise of a title that made lycopodiums dance for me and granted a regen effect.

I agree that monsters in quests should give SP/loot/whatever, similar to how FFXI was done, but all I ask is that storyline doesn't get sacrificed for "oh, look, shiny item!". Still, I have confidence, as I have done almost all of Bastok, Windurst's, and Jeuno's quests, and noticed how the pre-Zilart quests were pretty much the same as FFXIV, being "kill X amount of mobs" with little storyline, and how a sharp jump in quality came for each expansion. I trust the same will happen here, as the storytellers first get the time to craft actual lore for the game, and then develop a solid base to build on that lore.

And see, I'd be happy with that. If the mobs at least gave me XP/SP while killing them for the quest, then I'd be more than happy because I'd see some advancement still happening while taking the detour for these quests.
03-09-2011, 05:30 AM
Seirra_Lanzce

i hope that i'm given the option to be able to level solo as well. Haven't had the time to even log in to find friends or even PARTY, behest? i get bored after 1-2 behest in 4 days. Dont expect me to play Behest everyday. Im not a robot.
03-09-2011, 05:43 AM
Smashington

The leve system is a perfect foundation for what everyone wants.

First people need leves everyday. 24 hours Leve reset. That takes care of quantity.

Now on to quality. Players want variety. Suggestions:

1.) Survival leves: Player must survive against waves of enemies for a set time.

2.) Exploration: Players must advance to a set position, aggressive mobs make clearing the path difficult.

3.) Battle Regimen tutorial: Low-level Leve where players must complete 10 battle Regimen to complete (include on screen instructions for how to do this)

4.) Escort: NPC must be protected while traveling to a set destination

5.) NM leve Bosses

If Regional Leves were both more consistantly available and more interesting, players would enjoy them more.
03-09-2011, 05:47 AM
Seirra_Lanzce

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smashington

The leve system is a perfect foundation for what everyone wants.

First people need leves everyday. 24 hours Leve reset. That takes care of quantity.

Now on to quality. Players want variety. Suggestions:

1.) Survival leves: Player must survive against waves of enemies for a set time.

2.) Exploration: Players must advance to a set position, aggressive mobs make clearing the path difficult.

3.) Battle Regimen tutorial: Low-level Leve where players must complete 10 battle Regimen to complete (include on screen instructions for how to do this)

4.) Escort: NPC must be protected while traveling to a set destination

5.) NM leve Bosses

If Regional Leves were both more consistantly available and more interesting, players would enjoy them more.

i agree on this leves!
03-09-2011, 05:58 AM
Zamiel

GuildLeve are for exp/sp/reward → not need "new type" or "variety", just increase number, 8 → 16/20, or decrease reset, 36h → 24h, or both of them.

Quest are for stroy → need cutscene.
03-09-2011, 06:18 AM
Naylia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smashington

The leve system is a perfect foundation for what everyone wants.

First people need leves everyday. 24 hours Leve reset. That takes care of quantity.

Now on to quality. Players want variety. Suggestions:

1.) Survival leves: Player must survive against waves of enemies for a set time.

2.) Exploration: Players must advance to a set position, aggressive mobs make clearing the path difficult.

3.) Battle Regimen tutorial: Low-level Leve where players must complete 10 battle Regimen to complete (include on screen instructions for how to do this)

4.) Escort: NPC must be protected while traveling to a set destination

5.) NM leve Bosses

If Regional Leves were both more consistantly available and more interesting, players would enjoy them more.

Sounds great!
03-09-2011, 06:23 AM
Delmontyb

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zorvan

Don't need more daily quests ( leves ). Just get cracking on REAL quests with REAL rewards and XP/SP like every successful mmo out there.

No thanks, not that they can't give you some rewards, but don't want to go from leve grinding to solo grinding anytime soon.
03-09-2011, 06:25 AM
Suzaku

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smashington

The leve system is a perfect foundation for what everyone wants.

First people need leves everyday. 24 hours Leve reset. That takes care of quantity.

Now on to quality. Players want variety. Suggestions:

1.) Survival leves: Player must survive against waves of enemies for a set time.

2.) Exploration: Players must advance to a set position, aggressive mobs make clearing the path difficult.

3.) Battle Regimen tutorial: Low-level Leve where players must complete 10 battle Regimen to complete (include on screen instructions for how to do this)

4.) Escort: NPC must be protected while traveling to a set destination

5.) NM leve Bosses

If Regional Leves were both more consistantly available and more interesting, players would enjoy them more.

And in all honesty, I thought this was what we were going to be getting. Still could, I guess. It's a good outline.
03-09-2011, 06:26 AM
Delmontyb

Quote:

Originally Posted by PM1337

While the addition of quest are great for content, for me, they are lacking in that I was hoping that it was going to be a new way to level. I think the leves are fine, but I am tired, very tired, of the same leves and even the same type of leve. There is NO variation, ok honestly there is LITTLE variation. Since right now its the only means we have to level, beside solo/party grinding, I wish they would add to it. Along with the bimonthly/monthly addition of quest SE should also add in new leves. Also, does anyone really enjoy the rewards??? Gil great, but what to buy really??? Equipment, beside the weapons to unlock all the jobs, my stuff is better, and if its not I have more then enough gil to buy more, and guild marks, well I made the mistake of leveling a lot of jobs so now I get offered guildmarks for jobs sitting at level 10, while I haven't seen a CON guildmark in days. Please fix this SE!!! I think this holds back FFXIV a LOT!!!

I would love more leves to be in the game, and I would love for them to open it up to each city for the 36 hour reset, that way you do eight for one city, you can do eight for another before reset. They would have to adjust the rewards down, but I hope to see some very interesting ideas come out of this new dev team. :)

The other thing they can add it other ways to level, be that hamlet defense, public companies quests, etc. With those as additional options it would open up the game to many forums of play. :) - I'm assuming that those systems are more party centered rather then solo focused.