This is so much better..... (sarcastic)

I bought the preorder yesterday for the "new" FFXIV. Where 1.0 was horrible it was said.
and the 2.0 would be ever so much better, since it was a realm reborn.

It has now been 24 hours since I bought it and I have yet to to be able to play 10 minutes in the game.

Today the 6 EU servers have been completely locked out.

The que was at best 15 players and then 20 seconds into waiting in the que I get the window saying that the world is full please try again later.

Now, when I try to log in, I get to loading screen and then "The connection to the server was lost"

You would actually think that SE would care about more than their JP servers. But obviously not. It is again that the EU part of the world is being discriminated. I wish that games made in EU, like Battlefield etc would do the same to the rest of the world

JP servers 26
NA servers 20 or so
EU servers 6

Early Access is NOT Beta
Early Access means that you will get bonus because you paid for the game before it was released, meaning you give your money to SE as a sign of faith.
Early Access is the companies way of saying "thank you for trusting us".
Early access is NOT stress testing servers, thats beta
Early Access is NOT connection testing, thats beta.
I paid money ahead of time because I had faith in the company, which btw failed in the first version of the game.
Tell me please why I should spend even a dime more on this game, I can not even get EA.

How long have the servers been down?
I wanna talk in friggin' GD to ask things or contribute but can't.
You can't level at all this weekend.

Damn Jotin! You express my feelings so much better than I would!

But be aware, some very calm people, will find a way to tell you that this is a free period and you should be happy to be able to play 1 hour per day, and overjoyed if more! And then they will chain with how bad others games started, as if bad launching was law.

That's what I've been told. But Hey, we are free to show we aren't happy, or Else SE will think they can do whatever they want with us.

Being understanding is ok, but not being carpets.

FIGHT! FIGHT! WORK HARDER SE, we know you can make it! LET US IN!

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Originally Posted by Jotunhammer

Early Access is NOT Beta
Early Access means that you will get bonus because you paid for the game before it was released, meaning you give your money to SE as a sign of faith.
Early Access is the companies way of saying "thank you for trusting us".
Early access is NOT stress testing servers, thats beta
Early Access is NOT connection testing, thats beta.
I paid money ahead of time because I had faith in the company, which btw failed in the first version of the game.

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This is so beautiful. Exactly what I've been saying.

Even posted here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/66653-Early-Access-Beta-Phase-5

I like how people still claim that when you preorder something you actually pay for the game early, or hey I could be wrong but last time I checked my account the money still hadn't been taken out

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Originally Posted by Icebane

I like how people still claim that when you preorder something you actually pay for the game early, or hey I could be wrong but last time I checked my account the money still hadn't been taken out

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I think this is besides the point... If you paid or not, SE is destroying their potential for people to actually PURCHASE the game. Who wants to buy a game that has failed horribly two weekends in a row now.

Your logic jests that: You guys haven't paid for the game yet, so SE can have as shitty of a game as they want!

Does it REALLY matter if you've given them the money yet? With a pre-order, you've basically agreed that you will.

What Icebane?? You haven't paid yet and you can access the game? I've been debited the day after I pre-ordered! How can you play if you haven't been debited! OUUUT let the spot for those who paid, you theif! (I'm joking)
You are too serious :) let your wrath get out, let your anger out, and then laugh like a mad man! Man I'm no Budha!

We aren't children you can lecture as an old grandpa (well at least I'm not) If you want to take the situation calmly go ahead, But let us express our exasperation, and create your thread for support to SE, they need it ^^

I just logged in 5 min ago, and gotted disconnected by the server for the 3rd time today So yes I can complain. I do know I won't get anything more by complaining, but it makes me happy :)

Welcome to every start of every popular MMO ever made. And everyone of the mmo's has posts like yours on the their forums.

Those with Experience in MMO's expect problems with servers at launch, especially popular ones, 100's of thousands of players starting at once, all trying to log into the same newbie area. Its going to happen, there are not servers or technology out there yet that's going to fix it.

So expect it, roll with it, or never ever try to play at new mmo at launch, give it a week and it will all iron out. (Unless it was WoW then it took several months to iron out.)

I like this comment. It's a much more realistic/reasonable view on the matter. Definitely don't let any company walk all over you, but always try to be understanding. Considering the failure 1.0 was I can't see SE not doing everything in their power to make the launch go smoothly. Things wont be fixed instantaneously, but the issues will get fixed and yes I know it sucks when you pay for something and can't use it; I've been there.
Perhaps just take a step back, play some other games or go hangout with friends and come back later and try to get on.

Personally, I'm just going to roll with what happens. This isn't an excuse, but mmos usually have some issues at the start. I've been playing mmo's for 10-12 yrs now tho, so I might be a tad more understanding than some of you newer/younger mmo players. Only thing I'd ask is you guys/gals try to be understanding and see things from SE's point of view.

Is this annoying? yes. Is it the end of the world? No
And bad mmo launches are law until someone becomes the mmo god and can forsee all technical, system, equipment and programming glitches that the simultaneous push of 1000s of players at the same time can have. I have yet to find that person...

And so far i have been able to make it in enough to get my chocobo, get to 15 on both subclasses and 24 on my main. not where i wanted to be because of the lockouts (was hoping for 30 by now) but still good enough... chill out its not like you paid an extra 10 bucks to play for the extra few days before launch. its not money out of your pocket and the more thats fixed now the less we will hopefully have to deal with later... like when we are actually raiding...

Also considering the ONLY major problem i have come across has been server related that actually makes me more excited about this game. i havent had pet pathing issues, abilities that are useless / not working, haven't fallen through the world, been stuck, etc. once servers stabilize this games looking like an amazing start so far.

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Originally Posted by PeppeLepeu

Also considering the ONLY major problem i have come across has been server related that actually makes me more excited about this game. i havent had pet pathing issues, abilities that are useless / not working, haven't fallen through the world, been stuck, etc. once servers stabilize this games looking like an amazing start so far.

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I have to agree, this game has a lot of potential, they seemed to have really done a good job the second time around.

Hey! I'm a seer! I've foretold that!

The lecture n°XXXXX from an MMO veteran, who thinks anteriority makes law, and that we should be content with the situation!!!! Thank you for giving me the opportunity to say 'I told you so" LOL.

Well usually I don't complain, but today I'm in that mood. Paying or not, if your happy with the current situation, create a positive thread in support to SE.

Let us do the dirty job of complaining, to remind the commercial service that they should improve. It arms no one, and prevent newgamers form purchasing the game now without having a realistic view of the actual situation :) You seem to forget, that new players don't have to be trashed because they haven't been desabused by some other games.

I know I will enjoy playing FFXIV smoothly later, but right now I would be lying If I'd say "great".

I know there has been many errors/server kicks/not even being able to get into servers,but as some people say..just roll with the punches,like I am! I would like to think most of us are well seasoned MMO players,so we should know how to behave with these things,but there is also the new Mmo player who expects everything NOW NOW NOW!Please be patient,hold ya breathe a little and soon everything will be fine and in a week you,ll be wondering why you made that FLAME post lol

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Originally Posted by Icebane

I like how people still claim that when you preorder something you actually pay for the game early, or hey I could be wrong but last time I checked my account the money still hadn't been taken out

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Umm, maybe you should take a look at the purchase screen where it says
"Pre-Order Bonus

EARLY ACCESS: Access the game servers ahead of the official launch. Get your head start and make your mark in the realm of Eorzea!"

Now, if you do NOT bet into the EA, would that not be false advertising?
Should it not says "Pre-Order Bonus Chanse
EARLY ACCESS: You have a random chanse at accessing the game servers ahead of the official launch. You get a chanse at head start and make your mark in the realm of Eorzea!"

Because it clearly states in the way it is expressed that everyone will be able to access EA, yet it is not so, clearly there is not room enough for everyone. So which is it?

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Originally Posted by Elarial

I know there has been many errors/server kicks/not even being able to get into servers,but as some people say..just roll with the punches,like I am! I would like to think most of us are well seasoned MMO players,so we should know how to behave with these things,but there is also the new Mmo player who expects everything NOW NOW NOW!Please be patient,hold ya breathe a little and soon everything will be fine and in a week you,ll be wondering why you made that FLAME post lol

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One BIG BIG problem, there is a saying thats very well known to everyone. "You only get one chanse at a first impression" and tbh my first impression of the new FFXIV is that servers (the key to everything) just is not there and its not being maintained in a proper manner and thus I have no wish to spend the next 30-60-90 days while SE blatantly does not support the servers in EU as well as the Japanese servers"

Maybe if it was free while they figure it out, but I am not paying monthly subscriptions unless I am absolutely sure I get my moneys worth. There is just to many MMO's out there that is free and doing better.
Only reason I give FFXIV another chanse is because it is Final Fantasy, otherwise I would not even look at it against after the failing of the 1.0

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Originally Posted by PeppeLepeu

Also considering the ONLY major problem i have come across has been server related that actually makes me more excited about this game. i havent had pet pathing issues, abilities that are useless / not working, haven't fallen through the world, been stuck, etc. once servers stabilize this games looking like an amazing start so far.

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Neither have I, I have no such issue either. Then again I have not had ANY since I can't play, so yaaaaay

Look on the positive side...They have made a fantastic game and although we are having some problems that isn't going to change.
These problems will be fixed because it's in SE's best interest to do so. Even if they care more about money than us (Money is extremely important to any company) it just means they really want to fix these problems.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to vent your annoyance (although do we really need so many threads in most sections saying the exact same things?), but you do also need to have some patience and understanding or you'll drive yourself crazy. ^_^

MMO launches have to be one of the hardest things to predict for a company. How do you know how many people will be loading your servers on launch day? Betas only give you a good "feel", because launch day will always be different. They have to make a reasonable estimate without over estimating and wasting resources.

In most projects, a budget is set at the beginning of the project. So when the project is done and you realize "Oh crap there's more people than we thought", its not as simple as buying more servers, because you might have to request more money, and you might go over budget.

Sure you can plan ahead and reserve resources on the side, but to what extent? If you reserve too much, your boss will chew your ass out saying "Why did you take all this money that I could've used for xxx project?!".

Add in the fact that they're trying to run this from across the Pacific Ocean the difficulty just multiplies.

My 2 cents from my little Program Management experience.

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Originally Posted by Anoron

Those with Experience in MMO's expect problems with servers at launch, especially popular ones, 100's of thousands of players starting at once, all trying to log into the same newbie area. Its going to happen, there are not servers or technology out there yet that's going to fix it.

So expect it, roll with it, or never ever try to play at new mmo at launch, give it a week and it will all iron out. (Unless it was WoW then it took several months to iron out.)

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Thank you so much for this post! People are comparing this to 1.0 when the fact of the matter is that 1.0 was a software fail. I'd much rather be dealing with technical fails than software. This game is amazing, and obviously WAY more popular that anticipated. It is a good thing. I'm as frustrated as anyone, but it's only because of the excitement derived from the sheer awesomeness of the game!

It could be worse, the game could suck and you could be complaining that you paid for a crappy game, rather than not being able to play an amazing one.

Ok I will admit one thing, I too want to do my MMO Veteran!
But I only did one other MMO before: Lineage 2, which was a Korean MMO. It was ten years ago, so my memory maybe bad. (Grandma Lierin speaking)
The Launch wasn't perfect it had its maintenances. I was addicted to the game since the first logging, but we didn't have to endure all the troubles we have now on ARR, even during the end of OB.
No, the Launch wasn't a total mess like now. It had its troubles, but not this much.
An exception?

Maybe I've been a bit excessive previously. Sorry. Of course, we know we have to be patient, things will be fixed. Yesterday I was thinking like you "why complain" just go see friends. But If I don't voice out my unease, who will?(well obviously many:P

I did my share of complains. So I will try to stop now. (my hands itch to type more complains, it will be hard) ;P

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Originally Posted by Lierin

Ok I will admit one thing, I too want to do my MMO Veteran!
But I only did one other MMO before: Lineage 2, which was a Korean MMO. It was ten years ago, so my memory maybe bad. (Grandma Lierin speaking)
The Launch wasn't perfect it had its maintenances. I was addicted to the game since the first logging, but we didn't have to endure all the troubles we have now on ARR, even during the end of OB.
No, the Launch wasn't a total mess like now. It had its troubles, but not this much.
An exception?

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Lineage 2 probably did have a worst launch than you remember. We tend to forget much once the game has been ironed out. I think the term is rose tinted glasses.
I'm not saying your wrong...just that we tend to remember things differently after a while. XD

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Originally Posted by Icebane

I like how people still claim that when you preorder something you actually pay for the game early, or hey I could be wrong but last time I checked my account the money still hadn't been taken out

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Well clearly you didn't pre-order off SE website. The second I confirmed the "pre-order", my money was sucked out of my account that minute. I woulda loved to know where you got your early access without "pre-shelling money for the game, do tell... >_>

Really I don't think so Ohkami, but I probably forgot a part of the frustration from LII.
But even if it was worst than what I remember, they didn't chained maintenance of 3 hours and fail to correct what they said they fixed (that is not a complain anymore, it's a statement :P).

I was expecting trouble for FFXIV, just not this much. and I beleive next week end won't be better ;P I'll purchase tones of cookies to eat while reading ;)

I have plenty fo experience with MMO launches, Early access and everything. But I think Square-Enix is definitely the worst of all of em. I didn't get early access on Saturday, this was a personal choice as I would be at gamescom(btw Yoshida was there, he is awesome and played a blackmage on a ps2 controller during the I survived the Titan battle.. battles) so I had all day(i work at night) to play FF14 : ARR early access today.. Yeah no. I get bombarded from the very get go after waking up with errors. From disconnecting from the game server, to EU/NA servers unavailable, to world server full..

I've yet to log in.. I have been trying since 2 pm today.

Popular MMO's have the same issues, yet I could at least play those, even if it was laggy. Not Final fantasy though.. oh no..they limit everything. From forums to the amount of people logging in -.-

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Originally Posted by Jotunhammer

JP servers 26
NA servers 20 or so
EU servers 6

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NA and EU share servers dude, they may have a couple labeled as Eu or Na, but they're all shared between us. the issues you're having, all of NA is having them too. Please, check things before playing the victim.

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Originally Posted by Icebane

I like how people still claim that when you preorder something you actually pay for the game early, or hey I could be wrong but last time I checked my account the money still hadn't been taken out

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Hmm, so this mice big chunk of my money that is gone, means I didn't pay yet?

I preordered, and square has every last cent of that cost i paid, not to mention, they've had it since i preordered. if they didn't, I'd still have at least 30-35 bucks to go dick around with.

What kind of servers are they using? Windows 2003? This is silly... I mean the forums are loading like I have a 14.4k modem. You shouldn't have to LIMIT anything at the level SE is at... What ever they thought was sufficient they should have multiplied by 3.

My money has been taken out for my pre-order. $79.99 (ps3) and $24 (PC)

Well just screw it all,lets go take over a few of the jp servers.
So we can play a bit

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Originally Posted by Onikiri

MMO launches have to be one of the hardest things to predict for a company. How do you know how many people will be loading your servers on launch day? Betas only give you a good "feel", because launch day will always be different. They have to make a reasonable estimate without over estimating and wasting resources.

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Hahaha you had me cracking up!!
Wanna know how to keep track of how many people will be accessing the servers?!?! You give them a code for early access OMG you know how many people you gave the code to...
Stop making excuses for them they need to get their s*** together period.

Well I just can't help stating that when I logged first on durandal at the start of the pre-order after 15 minutes I logged out because all the shouts were in Japanese, and went on the only NA/EU server I could register in: Phoenix. BUt yet can't play muche on it.

So, after the 4rth maintenance I went back on Durandal, and like miracle, there were English shouts!!! Yes my friends, we are flooding the japanese servers! hahahahahahahahaha!

One day I'll go back on Phoenix, but not now. I want to avoid useless frustration. ;)