Idea: Limit Break System

Yoshi-P frequently mentions that he is trying to make FFXIV a more "Final Fantasy-esque" game. On top of that, 2 hour abilities were a really cool feature in FFXI that made jobs much more individualized and fun. So, why not introduce something similar in FFXIV, but rather than 2 hour abilities, call them Limit Breaks, like in Final Fantasies of the past? Limit Breaks are an iconic part of many FF games that I feel would fit perfectly in this game, and you would be killing two birds with one stone: making classes more unique AND making the game more Final Fantasy-esque.

Here's one example of how it would work: each class (of course, including crafting and gathering classes) gets its own unique Limit Break. Possibly, you could learn additional Limit Breaks as your rank increased or certain other conditions were met. Then, in addition to your HP, MP, and TP gauges, you would have a Limit gauge that slowly filled up as you defeated monsters, caused damage, crafted items, etc. When the gauge fills up, you are able to use a powerful skill that can turn the tides of battle...or crafting, I guess.

I agree with you. Special attack that you could do only after meeting certain requirement(limit break, desperation attack, trance, overdrive, two hours, quickening) would help to increase the FF-like feeling of the game.

I dunno if I'd say Limit Break's are iconic of the series.. FFVII is the only game that comes to mind that used it. Well, I guess FFIX's "Trance" system was pretty similar too.. But yeah, I'm not sure iconic is the right word there.

I really like this idea. I hope the charge rate is such that you can use it in the course of a regular day. in FFXI the 2hour abiltiies were awesome, but the cooldown was prohibitively high. A one hour or even 30 minute cooldown probably wouldn't have changed the balance all that much, but would have allowed people to actually use their abilities more as opposed to always keeping it in reserve for when things got worse.

FFIX and FFXII had unique ways of doing this. I would like to see something similiar to this in FFXIV for sure :)

This is a WAAAAAYYY better idea than Jumping...

Give me Olmna Slash? Okay!

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Originally Posted by OJtheLIONKing

prohibitively high.

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Well, that was kind of the point. They were extremely powerful abilities (well, most of them at least), and they wanted you to use them wisely. I think two hours is really a perfect time-frame for such immensely powerful skills.

I'd like to see some sort of limit break for each class. Something that screams Final Fantasy, too. Put those special effects skills to work, SE!

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Originally Posted by Krisan

I dunno if I'd say Limit Break's are iconic of the series.. FFVII is the only game that comes to mind that used it. Well, I guess FFIX's "Trance" system was pretty similar too.. But yeah, I'm not sure iconic is the right word there.

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Every mainstream Final Fantasy game starting with VII has had some sort of Limit Break feature. VII = Limit Breaks, VIII = Limit Breaks, IX = Trance, X = Overdrive, XI = 2hr, XII = Quickening, XIII = Eidolons (yeah they were more like limit breaks than summons). Even VI sort of had them.

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Originally Posted by Gath

Give me Olmna Slash? Okay!

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Omnislash? You have it. R50 Pugilist - Simian Thrash.

I'm in support of this fun idea! I'd prefer to have the system resembles FFVII/FFIX.. limit break meter fills up as you receive damage for DOW, as you deal damage for DOM, and probably failed crafts or gatherings, for DOL/DOH.. then you pick up one from a list of limit break abilities, and unleash hell!! more limit break moves should open up as you rank up, cool!

Actually, Many final fantasy have their own version of 'limit break', though not ALl of it have it.

FFVI was kind of not obvious, you would only notice it if your characters were in critical health, then they would make really strong attacks instead of regular attacks. their attacks would also have names. It's something you would notice if you pay attention.

FFVII: Obviously.

FFVIII: Definitely has it. And I like this FFVIII system too. Basically you get the limit break based on your health, and the lower it is, the more likely you'll be able ot use the limit break. Also, there is a buff called aura that allows you to do so.

FFIX: Trance system. It is based on how much damage you received and deal, it's kind of like TP, but I haven't played FFIX ina LONG time so I can't really say.

FFX: Overdrive system, similar to TRance, kind of.

FFXI: 2hr abilities would be the best way to compare.

FFXII and FFXIII don't SEEM to have something like this.

That said, I feel that FFXIv should definitely have something like this.

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Originally Posted by Rjain

Omnislash? You have it. R50 Pugilist - Simian Thrash.

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wootness awesomesauce!

FFXII had the Quickening and FFXIII had the "Full ATB skill"(It don't have an official name but it's a powerful move that you can only do with a full bar).

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Originally Posted by CSLionheart

Every mainstream Final Fantasy game starting with VII has had some sort of Limit Break feature. VII = Limit Breaks, VIII = Limit Breaks, IX = Trance, X = Overdrive, XI = 2hr, XII = Quickening, XIII = Eidolons (yeah they were more like limit breaks than summons). Even VI sort of had them.

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Oh that's right, VIII did have them. I should have remembered that.
I wouldn't call Eidolons or Two Hours or even Quickening perhaps limit breaks though.

Sounds great, id want the xii system :) (long since last i played vii sadly, so dont remember that one)

I agree with some users that pointed out to you that Limit Breaks aren't really as iconic as you're making them out to be.

Still I think the Battle Regimen system can already do something like this with some fine tweaking. It's pretty clear that the devs meant for BRs to be the endgame strategy... It's just that at the moment they're slightly broken! :p

I should add, although I don't consider Limit Breaks iconic.. I am not opposed to the idea of their addition. Likewise while I wouldn't compare Two Hours from XI to a limit break, I would be all for something like that being added to XIV.

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Originally Posted by Rjain

Omnislash? You have it. R50 Pugilist - Simian Thrash.

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I'm certain he said Omnislash not Simian Thrash :D **LOL**

Those two skills are not even spelled the same way :D *hugs*

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Originally Posted by Colino

I agree with some users that pointed out to you that Limit Breaks aren't really as iconic as you're making them out to be.

Still I think the Battle Regimen system can already do something like this with some fine tweaking. It's pretty clear that the devs meant for BRs to be the endgame strategy... It's just that at the moment they're slightly broken! :p

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If you just take the "limit break" then yeah they have been in only 2 games. However if you take all the special attacks that could save you in critical situation then they have appear in different forms in all the game from 6 to 13(the list have been post a few time but you can check it there). I'd say that 8 game out of 14 is enough to be iconic.

I rather likes the 2-hour abilities of FFXI.
In my opinion, I've always considered - in both XI and XIV - TP abilities to be the replacement of 'Limit Breaks' in the games, because they act in the way limit breaks worked in the rest of the series (and for people saying they're not iconic, they are; they're simply named differently in the various games).
But the 2-hour abilities were awesome, and I would definately support a revival of these in FFXIV.

I'm in agreement with this idea. I think there should be a "special move" that will further individualize the classes. It's always good to see someone come out and do a major show of force or action during battle.

Well, we have "Limit Breaks" already - the TP attacks are nothing else.

Problem is that they are
a) too frequently used and
b) too weak

to leave any impression. It's just pew-pew TP moves back to back, and
not the big "BOOOOOMMMM" you expect from a real Limit Break. How
long does it take you to teach 1000TP? For me, it's around 3 seconds.
That's a rather puny limit, if you can break it in 3 seconds ^.^/

2-hour abilities, while cool, have a problem: They are too powerful,
almost game-breaking. So either you tune Boss fights to be so hard
as to compensate for everyone using his 2-hour-ability (frustration
guaranteed) or tune them too easy so that you can zerg the bosses
by using everyone's 2-hour-ability. Both are not satisfactory solutions.

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Originally Posted by Rinsui

Well, we have "Limit Breaks" already - the TP attacks are nothing else.
Problem is that they are

a) too frequently used and
b) too weak

to leave any impression. It's just pew-pew TP moves back to back, and not the big "BOOOOOMMMM"
you expect from a real Limit Break. How long does it take you to teach 1000TP? For me, it's around
3 seconds. That's a rather tiny limit, if you can break it in 3 seconds ^.^/

2-hour abilities, while cool, have a problem: They are too powerful, almost game-breaking. So either
you tune Boss fights to be so hard as to compensate for everyone using his 2-hour-ability (frustration
guaranteed) or tune them too easy so that you can zerg the bosses by using everyone's 2-hour-ability.
Both are not satisfactory solutions.

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Personally, I see these TP attacks as job abilities, that actually consumes TPs, as opposed to how they worked in FFXI.

Some MIGHT argue that Weapon skills in FFXI can be considered as limit break since you tend to dish out even more damage than regular attacks (and job abilities for some jobs). Hell in that sense, I don't think I can disagree with this. However, this isn't the same idea in FFXIV, since most abilities depend on TP than just special attacks.

Limit break attacks should generally be very powerful and rare, that they should be generally 'One last hurrah!' usage, or an act of desperate measure. 2hr ability perfectly does fullfil job for most jobs in FFXI. So, I don't think they are 'too powerful' because they all have very short duration on how long these 2hrs last.

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Originally Posted by Rinsui

2-hour abilities, while cool, have a problem: They are too powerful,
almost game-breaking. So either you tune Boss fights to be so hard
as to compensate for everyone using his 2-hour-ability (frustration
guaranteed) or tune them too easy so that you can zerg the bosses
by using everyone's 2-hour-ability. Both are not satisfactory solutions.

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I feel like pandemonium warden was a result of the cross between this and a developer's MASSIVE ego, either way it was not fun for anybody but the hardcore-est of players

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Originally Posted by CSLionheart

Yoshi-P frequently mentions that he is trying to make FFXIV a more "Final Fantasy-esque" game. On top of that, 2 hour abilities were a really cool feature in FFXI that made jobs much more individualized and fun. So, why not introduce something similar in FFXIV, but rather than 2 hour abilities, call them Limit Breaks, like in Final Fantasies of the past? Limit Breaks are an iconic part of many FF games that I feel would fit perfectly in this game, and you would be killing two birds with one stone: making classes more unique AND making the game more Final Fantasy-esque.

Here's one example of how it would work: each class (of course, including crafting and gathering classes) gets its own unique Limit Break. Possibly, you could learn additional Limit Breaks as your rank increased or certain other conditions were met. Then, in addition to your HP, MP, and TP gauges, you would have a Limit gauge that slowly filled up as you defeated monsters, caused damage, crafted items, etc. When the gauge fills up, you are able to use a powerful skill that can turn the tides of battle...or crafting, I guess.

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bumping this b/c this guy called it when forums launched pretty much...

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Originally Posted by Krisan

FFVII is the only game that comes to mind that used it.

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This is wrong many times over >.<

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Originally Posted by CSLionheart

Yoshi-P frequently mentions that he is trying to make FFXIV a more "Final Fantasy-esque" game. On top of that, 2 hour abilities were a really cool feature in FFXI that made jobs much more individualized and fun. So, why not introduce something similar in FFXIV, but rather than 2 hour abilities, call them Limit Breaks, like in Final Fantasies of the past? Limit Breaks are an iconic part of many FF games that I feel would fit perfectly in this game, and you would be killing two birds with one stone: making classes more unique AND making the game more Final Fantasy-esque.

Here's one example of how it would work: each class (of course, including crafting and gathering classes) gets its own unique Limit Break. Possibly, you could learn additional Limit Breaks as your rank increased or certain other conditions were met. Then, in addition to your HP, MP, and TP gauges, you would have a Limit gauge that slowly filled up as you defeated monsters, caused damage, crafted items, etc. When the gauge fills up, you are able to use a powerful skill that can turn the tides of battle...or crafting, I guess.

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I would prefer they call Overdrive over Limitbreaks ^-^

I could have sworn limit breaks were making an appearance in XIV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxJt3UOBhU8
Is this meteor/comet at the end not a limit break?

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Originally Posted by Flowsick

I could have sworn limit breaks were making an appearance in XIV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxJt3UOBhU8
Is this meteor/comet at the end not a limit break?

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Pay attention to the dates on the posts. This is a necro thread.

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Originally Posted by Crevox

Pay attention to the dates on the posts. This is a necro thread.

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Lol I was like . . . "This thread is wrong.. what is going on, nobody remembers this system is already coming!?!?!" Then I slowly noticed 2011 wooshing by in each unhappy scroll XD

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Originally Posted by OJtheLIONKing

as opposed to always keeping it in reserve for when things got worse.

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But that was the point.
Don't use it because you never know when you'll need it.
Monks 2hr on a 30 minute timer would have been too much.

In b4 Necrobump lock.

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Originally Posted by Mudd

But that was the point.
Don't use it because you never know when you'll need it.
Monks 2hr on a 30 minute timer would have been too much.

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I disagree. What endgame content took more than 30 minutes of constant fighting? PW? AV?

I don't see the problem with being able to go all out every 30 minutes.