LORE QUESTION [ How did the snow came to Coerthas? ]

Hello!

Just had a lore question! How did the snow came to Coerthas?
In 1.0 there was so no snow!
Me and a friend of me was exploring Coerthas in latest beta test and we found a NPC in the behemoth place. And i said what the h*** is this NPC doing here? It was a npc without a name just a NPC with a book that he readed from.

And he said maybe studing how the snow came to Coerthas.
And thats where i get this question?
If someone know how the snow came to Coerthas place tell!

hopping for answers.
Btw i love lore!

Stian

This is just a theory, but...

My idea of it was that when the Calamity happened and Bahamut got released, all of Eorzea's aether went pretty much haywire, as aether sometimes does when a primal is summoned. While the aether imbalance fixed itself up pretty quickly with linkpearls being usable again not too long after, I don't think the aether levels went back to normal in a lot of places. (for example, the dead areas of the Black Shroud, or that shiny crystal place in Western Thanalan, etc.) I'm not sure if aether could affect the weather, per se, but there are little signs that show it, like there being a little more rain in Thanalan than there was in 1.0. So then the snow in Coerthas would be an extreme effect of this; maybe the aether just went crazy up there and it drastically changed the weather patterns.

Maybe those big bad giants summoned Shiva.

I agree with the idea that the Giants Summoned her and she spread across the area. Seeing as Cor was pretty barren in 1.0 and the Aether was amassed there the Giants may have then had the ability to summon their once dormant Primal.
But more importantly the open question of WHERE IN THE NAME OF THE TWELVE IS BAHAMUT!?!?!?!?!?!

Hmm might be thx for good answers :)

i had assumed it was akin to a nuclear winter, since the final battle took place in Coerthas, and Bahamut pretty much tore the aether asunder with his release.

Thought the shiva summoning theory is also pretty good.

The final battle took place in Mor Dhona....

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Originally Posted by TessaJalloh

i had assumed it was akin to a nuclear winter, since the final battle took place in Coerthas, and Bahamut pretty much tore the aether asunder with his release.

Thought the shiva summoning theory is also pretty good.

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Originally Posted by StianGold

The final battle took place in Mor Dhona....

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Could have sworn we ended up in Coerthas before the end. I know the Garlean base was in Mor Dhona, but i was almost certain we were called to fall back in Coerthas for the final bout.

Edit: No, you're quite right, Carteneau plains are still in Mor Dhona. Not sure why i thought it was in Coerthas.

Lol no problem :P i take wrong my self somentimes to xD

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Originally Posted by TessaJalloh

Could have sworn we ended up in Coerthas before the end. I know the Garlean base was in Mor Dhona, but i was almost certain we were called to fall back in Coerthas for the final bout.

Edit: No, you're quite right, Carteneau plains are still in Mor Dhona. Not sure why i thought it was in Coerthas.

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It's not snow. It's ash. From all the folks burned by megaflare.

It's winter in Eorzea.

Also, a giant dragon burst out of a ball that was shot into space than brought back down, and you're questioning why it's snowing...? SRSLY!?

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

It's not snow. It's ash. From all the folks burned by megaflare.

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The horror! I was wishing I could catch snowflakes on my tongue when the Excalibur Lalafell march went through there...

I support the "haywire aether" from Bahamut's release hypothesis.

Even if it is Shiva, how could Shiva have an effect on weather? It has to be through aether itself.

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Originally Posted by WeavingBull

I agree with the idea that the Giants Summoned her and she spread across the area. Seeing as Cor was pretty barren in 1.0 and the Aether was amassed there the Giants may have then had the ability to summon their once dormant Primal.
But more importantly the open question of WHERE IN THE NAME OF THE TWELVE IS BAHAMUT!?!?!?!?!?!

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Bahamut is probably underneath all of us, sleeping quite comfortably.... My guess is those keys from Dalamud are gonna server as dungeon climbs, downward to his Great Labyrinth. Just my theory.

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Originally Posted by WeavingBull

I agree with the idea that the Giants Summoned her and she spread across the area. Seeing as Cor was pretty barren in 1.0 and the Aether was amassed there the Giants may have then had the ability to summon their once dormant Primal.
But more importantly the open question of WHERE IN THE NAME OF THE TWELVE IS BAHAMUT!?!?!?!?!?!

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I personally believe that when the warriors of light (us 1.0 players) were warped 5 years into the future, so to was Bahamut. I think he was just sent a little farther into the future than we were. That is my theory anyway. Think about it, we were engulfed in the same white light that Bahamut was. We will just have to wait and see how the new storyline pans out to know for sure.

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Originally Posted by Toranja

I support the "haywire aether" from Bahamut's release hypothesis.

Even if it is Shiva, how could Shiva have an effect on weather? It has to be through aether itself.

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Consider these two points;
I think they said in 1.0 something about Garuda making stronger winds in Coerthas as part of it, though I'm probably wrong.
The fact that Primals are aetherial beings probably means they can manipulate the aether around them. If you consider that this is also what magic is (manipulation of aether), then they are much more powerful than any of man's magic. More power, maybe they can change the weather. Maybe we'll just have to wait until Geomancer lore is released lol

Planetary re-aliment to the sun due to a massive impact from outer space

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Originally Posted by Drivont

Bahamut is probably underneath all of us, sleeping quite comfortably.... My guess is those keys from Dalamud are gonna server as dungeon climbs, downward to his Great Labyrinth. Just my theory.

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Just to note. The Great Labyrinth of Bahamut appears to be officially named "The Binding Coils of Bahamut" >_>
At least accoding to the in-game achievements.
So hey

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Originally Posted by Skies

Just to note. The Great Labyrinth of Bahamut appears to be officially named "The Binding Coils of Bahamut" >_>
At least accoding to the in-game achievements.
So hey

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I think the Binding Coils is just one part of the Labyrinth.

When the Battle of Silvertear Skies ended with the Agrias and Midgarsormr plummeting into the Lake, the Ceruleum explosion did more than just disrupt the aether flow (Mor Dhona being the heart of Eorzea and the flow being the strongest here). It released the Primals which would later be summoned into the land by the Beastmen with the Paragon's teachings. The aether flow was chaotic, its why Mor Dhona lost it's lushness. Coerthas still had snow but it was mostly isolated in the peaks of the mountains to the north, the aether flow probably has a similar effect on weather that the ocean currents do, so the trees and grass were able to grow. Now with the flow stabilized, the weather in all areas can return to normal. Such as rain in Thanalan and snow in Coerthas.

I've got a question related to yours, in the new video:

Primals Unleashed

Garuda is fighting the adventurers, once again, in a field with green grass and pines and rock ledges, just like in Sixth Astral Era Coerthas. Where did the snow go? She has always resided in the Central Highlands, what's with that?

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Originally Posted by WeavingBull

I agree with the idea that the Giants Summoned her and she spread across the area. Seeing as Cor was pretty barren in 1.0 and the Aether was amassed there the Giants may have then had the ability to summon their once dormant Primal.
But more importantly the open question of WHERE IN THE NAME OF THE TWELVE IS BAHAMUT!?!?!?!?!?!

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you guys didn't get the fmv while travelling on your first airship? you didn't notice that thing coiled up being transported by air when geuess looked in the sky at the end? come on, didn't that look like a coiled up bahamut?

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Originally Posted by explodingbullet

you guys didn't get the fmv while travelling on your first airship? you didn't notice that thing coiled up being transported by air when geuess looked in the sky at the end? come on, didn't that look like a coiled up bahamut?

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Most people think it was this chap:

http://rss.finalfantasyxiv.com/jp/blog/jp/sqex-002.jpg

Weapon

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Originally Posted by explodingbullet

you guys didn't get the fmv while travelling on your first airship? you didn't notice that thing coiled up being transported by air when geuess looked in the sky at the end? come on, didn't that look like a coiled up bahamut?

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It was Ultima Weapon. Bahamut is bigger. Ultima/Omega Weapon are clearly the Garlean answer to Primals. When they first encountered the Primals in Othard (Garleans) you have to think they didn't just toss troops at it, they created the Weapons to combat these beasts. Adventurers are perfect when it comes to fighting Primals, we cannot be tempered...which brings up the question about the Company Heroes, the group who defeated both Leviathan and Titan from Limsa Lominsa. Anyways they're hulking Magitek weaponry, if you watch the Dungeon Crawl pt2 video, you will see a leg/arm break out of one of the containers. This is probably the process for creating a Weapon, they may use Magitek to enhance an animal and go from there with enhancements (major speculation but I had proposed the theory before this Magitek Arm/Leg appeared).

Gaius cannot afford to lose the battle in Eorzea with the trouble brewing in Garlemald. He's bringing in the big guns to try and make Eorzea submit to their rule. Let's not forget we've seen them arresting Minfilia...they will be acting soon.

I truly hope that the thing breaking out of that container was not one of the weapons.. It looked so pathetic and weak..

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Originally Posted by Ninimo_Babamo

I truly hope that the thing breaking out of that container was not one of the weapons.. It looked so pathetic and weak..

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Well considering how big it is and has all kinds of unnecessary wiring in it for a weapon of war, it's probably a proto-type or currently being "grown." After all Nero is in charge of Gaius' Magitek Division, it'd stand to reason for him to be creating new toys for Gaius.

This is merely 100% speculation what I’m about to suggest to how Coerthas turned into its current state.

I’ll start with the short version. A Garuda vs Shiva confrontation. Not necessarily a direct conflict between the primals but at least between both beast tribes with their primals backing them up.

I just find it weird to suddenly see Gigas wander around Coerthas and Mordhona. Coerthas being the zone that was mostly owned by the Ixali. We’ve also seen the rise of other beastmen and their tribe. Now that we’re 5 years later.

So my guess is that due to the entire battle at Cartenau, that the Gigas made their move to expand their territory. Perhaps they gained enough aether to summon Shiva. While knowing that Garuda had been weakened after our battle(and due to dalamud). Which resulted in a bit of a war among both beast tribes that perhaps ended more in the favor of the Gigas expanding their territory. Without fully taking it. But leaving in its aftermath a zone that still shows the conflict.

The reason for this way of thinking is that Coerthas is now a snowy and windy zone. And let’s admit, how awesome would it be for the two female primals to have this rivalry between them. The ice cold queen vs The turbulent gale mistress. Their personality could be like complete opposites.

Perhaps it's crystallized aether?

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Originally Posted by Toranja

I support the "haywire aether" from Bahamut's release hypothesis.

Even if it is Shiva, how could Shiva have an effect on weather? It has to be through aether itself.

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Though I'm not 100% sure I'm behind the theory that summoning Shiva (or at least summoning her alone) could cause the weather change in the entire region, there is reason to believe that a summoning effects weather. When they were first telling us about summoning primals as players (back when they talked about there only being one primal per server and it requiring a massive undertaking by pretty much an entire FC) they told us that anyone in the zone would know that the players had summoned the primal they bested because the weather would change. It hasn't made it to the game yet, or even been confirmed that it's still coming, but it's still a sort-of precedent for what was being described.

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Originally Posted by RolandDebreton

Most people think it was this chap:

http://rss.finalfantasyxiv.com/jp/blog/jp/sqex-002.jpg

Weapon

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on that note! I CANNOT WAIT to have my helmet caved in by that chap! <3

That's the tricky thing with this kind of Lore, lots of speculation until Ferne or a NPC tell us it's so in game. Right now the only REAL thing we know is how the aether flow affects vegetation, the climate, and weather -- the major example being Mor Dhona. Currently we don't even know if the Paragons have met with the Gigas race and taught them to summon Shiva, as for Shiva making the weather change she would have to perpetually be summoned in Coerthas for it to again effect the aether in such a way that it causes this weather to form (snow). Let's not confuse the FC summoning of a Primal and Beastmen summoning a Primal, yes they will be similar and make the zone change (Yoshi's word) such as Ifrit causing the sky to become red, but these are temporary things that will disappear. Snow in Coerthas is the new norm as it should be with the majority of Coerthas existing in the hills and mountains in the shadow of Agalatia's Spire.