Alternate repairing option

I've searched through the forums and I think anyone didn't suggest this before.
I'm sorry if these subject has been suggest.

I think it would better if we can repair some gears with another class besides current required class since they use materials from other class to made them.

For example,

Bronze Labyrs crafted by Blacksmith
Repair Material:
(Blacksmith) Bronze Nugget
add (Carpenter) Ash Branch (or Ash Lumber)

Plumed Bronze Hatchet crafted by Leatherworker
Repair Material:
(Leatherworker) Buffalo Leather Spetch
add (Carpenter) Maple Branch

Cotton Doublet crafted by Weaver
Repair Material:
(Weaver) Cotton Fent
add (Leatherworker) Sheep Leather Spetch

What the purpose of these?, I think it will make players more flexible in game lifestyle.
For example, You can be Marauder that can repair your own weapon even though you love to do logging and sawing rather than mining and smithing.

It may require extra material for secondary repairing option.
Plumed Bronze Hatchet crafted by Leatherworker
Repair Material:
(Leatherworker) Buffalo Leather Spetch
(Carpenter) Maple Branch x2

Not a bad idea. In fact, I would love to see more depth to the repair system, and your suggestion certainly beats mine in terms of being fair to casual players. I think the idea of the "secondary" class capable of repairing having to use two mats would maintain a decent balance.

The only argument I can come up with against this idea is that it seems most appropriate for low and mid-level gear. In the current game, high level gear SHOULD remain the purview of and keep exclusivity of high ranking classes. That is, a Rank50 weaver item should only be repaired by a weaver.

BUT, if they do add class-specific and rank-restricted gear, I think that adding two repair classes to every non-specific/non-restricted piece of gear would be totally awesome. One of the advantages of using general gear is that it is generally easier to repair. Use specific gear, go to specific people.

Plus almost every piece of gear takes more than one class to create, no reason to have every piece have only one class to repair it. Like that hatchet up there. I dunno why a piece of leather is the only thing that can repair the wood of the shaft or the metal of the blade. those things go bad too dont they?

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Originally Posted by Reika

Plus almost every piece of gear takes more than one class to create, no reason to have every piece have only one class to repair it. Like that hatchet up there. I dunno why a piece of leather is the only thing that can repair the wood of the shaft or the metal of the blade. those things go bad too dont they?

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This is a completely crazy idea, but what if different parts of the tool/weapon/armor actually DID go bad?

This is not the same system as the OP suggested, but a mutation of it.

Perhaps each time an item had to be repaired, a different material and craft were required to repair the "part going bad". In rare cases this could be an entire part rather than simply the same old material.

"Oh, looks like the hilt on your sword needs to be replaced this time ... "

I admit that this would make it harder to repair than the current system, but would provide more depth to the current repair system, and a little bit more interest for crafters, albeit at the expense of those using the items.

Perhaps as a compromise, using non-preferred materials (allowing for more crafter types) counts as a "patch-job", taking the repair to 90% or 95% instead of 100%?

Just some random thoughts ~~ please don't take them too seriously :D

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Originally Posted by Amineri

This is a completely crazy idea, but what if different parts of the tool/weapon/armor actually DID go bad?

This is not the same system as the OP suggested, but a mutation of it.

Perhaps each time an item had to be repaired, a different material and craft were required to repair the "part going bad". In rare cases this could be an entire part rather than simply the same old material.

"Oh, looks like the hilt on your sword needs to be replaced this time ... "

I admit that this would make it harder to repair than the current system, but would provide more depth to the current repair system, and a little bit more interest for crafters, albeit at the expense of those using the items.

Perhaps as a compromise, using non-preferred materials (allowing for more crafter types) counts as a "patch-job", taking the repair to 90% or 95% instead of 100%?

Just some random thoughts ~~ please don't take them too seriously :D

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I would love any system with a little more depth than the one we currently have, and have suggested a couple options (similar to yours) in the past. The overriding argument against it seems to be that the DoM/DoW's want simplicity. Of course the obvious solution is keep the NPC repairs simple, but for some reason that doesn't seem to fly.

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Originally Posted by Amineri

This is a completely crazy idea, but what if different parts of the tool/weapon/armor actually DID go bad?

This is not the same system as the OP suggested, but a mutation of it.

Perhaps each time an item had to be repaired, a different material and craft were required to repair the "part going bad". In rare cases this could be an entire part rather than simply the same old material.

"Oh, looks like the hilt on your sword needs to be replaced this time ... "

I admit that this would make it harder to repair than the current system, but would provide more depth to the current repair system, and a little bit more interest for crafters, albeit at the expense of those using the items.

Perhaps as a compromise, using non-preferred materials (allowing for more crafter types) counts as a "patch-job", taking the repair to 90% or 95% instead of 100%?

Just some random thoughts ~~ please don't take them too seriously :D

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The main problem I see with this is that we already have inventory problems carrying our repair mats around with us if we like to repair our own gear. Having a system like this means that instead of one repair mat to carry around, we'd need three or possibly more. Until there's a solution to our inventory problems, I honestly don't see how this could work.

And random thoughts are sometimes the best kind, and certainly the most fun. :)

I would be behind this change.

I'm glad that there's people interest in this suggestion.
Thanks for all opinions.:D

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Originally Posted by origamikitsune

The only argument I can come up with against this idea is that it seems most appropriate for low and mid-level gear. In the current game, high level gear SHOULD remain the purview of and keep exclusivity of high ranking classes. That is, a Rank50 weaver item should only be repaired by a weaver.

BUT, if they do add class-specific and rank-restricted gear, I think that adding two repair classes to every non-specific/non-restricted piece of gear would be totally awesome. One of the advantages of using general gear is that it is generally easier to repair. Use specific gear, go to specific people.

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I agree with that, specific or epic gear should be exclusive. But in that case, they should stand by their basic class for the top rank gears.(ex. Axe should be Blacksmith. Hatchet should be Carpenter, not Leatherwoker) so players won't complain something like this in future > "Rank60 Axe is Goldsmith's craft?, what is the meaning of my Blacksmith grinding? but it still acceptable if there's both of basic and non-basic.(That's for another subject about lacking of various gears in same rank)

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Originally Posted by Amineri

Perhaps each time an item had to be repaired, a different material and craft were required to repair the "part going bad". In rare cases this could be an entire part rather than simply the same old material.

Perhaps as a compromise, using non-preferred materials (allowing for more crafter types) counts as a "patch-job", taking the repair to 90% or 95% instead of 100%?

Just some random thoughts ~~ please don't take them too seriously :D

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Yes, that would really provide more depth to the current repair system but at least I'm the player who don't like something incomplete. If I'm going to repairs, it should repair with 100% durability, like that or I'll have inventory slot problem for carrying various repair materials. But that's just my individual opinion.

btw, I also think about using secondary repairing in my idea will repair only about 75-95% durability too(with the firstly idea that use only one material to repair). But as I said, I prefer to pay more cost (using extra material) for fully return rather than receive something flaw.

I like this idea, to an extent.

There are some items that a certain class can MAKE that they cannot repair which just seems ridiculous to me. This is usually in the case when a certain class can "upgrade" a piece of gear made by a different class. For example, a plumed bronze pickaxe is made by a weaver with a buckle, cloth, feather, and a bronze pickaxe which is made by a carpenter. But only a carpenter can repair a plumed bronze pickaxe. Why not let a weaver repair it too using a feather or cloth?

Items that require a secondary craft to make or that require materials from another craft (for example, a weaver can make a tabard but you need a leatherworker sub to make the actual tabard pieces) might make things a little complicated and muddle the matter of rank required to repair some items, not to mention the issue of more repair mats to carry around. But, I'd be open to the idea if it was implemented well. ^^

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Originally Posted by Shaily

The main problem I see with this is that we already have inventory problems carrying our repair mats around with us if we like to repair our own gear. Having a system like this means that instead of one repair mat to carry around, we'd need three or possibly more. Until there's a solution to our inventory problems, I honestly don't see how this could work.

And random thoughts are sometimes the best kind, and certainly the most fun. :)

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I wrote this quickly, so probably wasn't very clear. I had two separate suggestions for repairs:

a) Make the repair material to take the item to 100% change from repair to repair. Occasionally maybe a rivet or some other manufactured part.

b) Allow for multiple materials and crafts to make jury-rigged (maybe called "field repairs"?) that would fix the item to 90%.

Allowing for more options makes it easier to find the right material and craft when you need something repaired when doing leves or on a quest, but changing up the full repair material might add some interest and realism (for those that like such things) to the repair process.

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Originally Posted by Amineri

I wrote this quickly, so probably wasn't very clear. I had two separate suggestions for repairs:

a) Make the repair material to take the item to 100% change from repair to repair. Occasionally maybe a rivet or some other manufactured part.

b) Allow for multiple materials and crafts to make jury-rigged (maybe called "field repairs"?) that would fix the item to 90%.

Allowing for more options makes it easier to find the right material and craft when you need something repaired when doing leves or on a quest, but changing up the full repair material might add some interest and realism (for those that like such things) to the repair process.

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So, when running around doing leves or whatever, I would have to be prepared to repair my gear by carrying several items that might be required to repair? This doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Even if you could use alternate items to do a patch-job, that still leaves the dilemma of carrying multiple items, simply because you don't know what you're going to need. I would be quite annoyed if I had a rivet, a nugget, and a nail to repair something, only to discover that this time I actually need that bronze square I left in my retainer. This issue only becomes worse when you consider your gear may all be made up of different things (bronze, iron, canvas, cotton, hemp, bone, silver, leathers, etc.) and all require different repair item "sets".

Maybe I'm still not understanding exactly what you mean, but I'm still not convinced. To me it seems the only way the field repair idea would work is if the vast majority of items could be patched up with the same, small set of items, which doesn't make sense either in this instance, and isn't very realistic anyway.

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Originally Posted by Shaily

So, when running around doing leves or whatever, I would have to be prepared to repair my gear by carrying several items that might be required to repair? This doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Even if you could use alternate items to do a patch-job, that still leaves the dilemma of carrying multiple items, simply because you don't know what you're going to need. I would be quite annoyed if I had a rivet, a nugget, and a nail to repair something, only to discover that this time I actually need that bronze square I left in my retainer. This issue only becomes worse when you consider your gear may all be made up of different things (bronze, iron, canvas, cotton, hemp, bone, silver, leathers, etc.) and all require different repair item "sets".

Maybe I'm still not understanding exactly what you mean, but I'm still not convinced. To me it seems the only way the field repair idea would work is if the vast majority of items could be patched up with the same, small set of items, which doesn't make sense either in this instance, and isn't very realistic anyway.

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Let me try again, this time with a more specific example, say a MRD axe.

Let's say that, by default, it can ALWAYS be repaired to a certain degree using CRP skill and a maple branch, or BSM skill and a bronze nugget. This would represent touching up the haft, or repairing nicks in the head. However, these 'quick' repairs may not take it to full 100%.

Occasionally, a more complete repair job may be required to repair the axe to a full 100%. In this case, perhaps CRP and a new axe handle is required, or BSM and a new bronze axehead, or even a TNR and a red buffalo leather strap. In these case any of the previous 'quick' options would still repair the item, just not to the full 100%.

The repair interface was already set up to handle this kind of system, since you can drop most any material(s)/item(s) into the craft window when the repair is brought up. I'm not sure how the myriad repair options would be displayed to the user, since the current display system has space for just one repair item / class.

This is adding complexity to a system which needs to be simplified if you ask em.

Although I do agree that it makes sense to have more than one class able to repair an item I would sooner see them get rid of the repair system completely and just have NPC repairs at a lower cost.

Most people try to get their repairs done for the least amount possible (which is understandable) but other games have repair NPC's in an effort to remove currency from the game, something which FF14 is failing at miserably.

In fact thinking about it some more SE should not only be trying to remove gil from the market but also find a fair way to remove armour from the market as well (de-synthesis of armour perhaps) , markets are becoming so saturated and the only things worth buying and selling now are HQ items.

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Originally Posted by Amineri

Let me try again, this time with a more specific example, say a MRD axe.

Let's say that, by default, it can ALWAYS be repaired to a certain degree using CRP skill and a maple branch, or BSM skill and a bronze nugget. This would represent touching up the haft, or repairing nicks in the head. However, these 'quick' repairs may not take it to full 100%.

Occasionally, a more complete repair job may be required to repair the axe to a full 100%. In this case, perhaps CRP and a new axe handle is required, or BSM and a new bronze axehead, or even a TNR and a red buffalo leather strap. In these case any of the previous 'quick' options would still repair the item, just not to the full 100%.

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Okay. I understand better the "field repair" idea, that I think would actually be nice to have, especially if a lot of gear could use the same item for a touch-up job in the field.

But, I keep going back to having the (full) repair material change every time. Using your example of the MRD axe, say I'm using that axe, and I rank up BSM so that I can repair it with a new axehead. Unfortunately, bad luck says this time it wants CRP, which I may not want to rank up, and some CRP material that I may not have. I then am stuck with the trouble of trying to find somebody who has the repair material and will repair it, or finding the material itself and having somebody repair it. The cycle starts over if I have bad luck again on the next repair round, and it demands TAN with some particular piece of leather.

For people who just want it repaired enough that they can go straight back out and keep fighting, fine, that's fair enough. But what if I want to sell a piece of gear that I used? Or give it to another character? A field repair will only take it to 90%ish. You can't trade or sell anything that isn't in mint condition. So, once again, you're stuck with finding somebody who can/will repair the item to 100% if you can't do it yourself. This seems to overcomplicate things that are hard enough as it is.

Here's another question. If an item demands a particular item to go back to 100%, and you do a patch-up to take it to 90%, does that count as far as changing the full repair option? Or would the full repair material only change after making a full repair?

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Originally Posted by Shaily

Here's another question. If an item demands a particular item to go back to 100%, and you do a patch-up to take it to 90%, does that count as far as changing the full repair option? Or would the full repair material only change after making a full repair?

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I can't really say, I'm just making stuff up off the top of my head -- treating this more as an open brain-storming session that a well-thought out idea that I'm posting up.

I wouldn't think that the "full repair" material would be something exotic or unusual, or even change every time. Something along the lines of "usually the quick repairs are all it needs", so the basic branch or nugget repair is sufficient to take it to 100%, but maybe 1 time out of 10, when the repair is reset to 100%, something more serious has gone wrong, requiring more significant repairs to get back to 100%. In this case you could still patch it up with a branch of nugget to 90% (or whatever), but the full repair will involve more work. Since you'd know what the new repair item / class was right off, there would be a bit more time to get it worked out (plus it can be extended via patch jobs).

Also, I know this adds a bit of extra complication to the repair system, but in some sense depth = complication. [/sarcasm=on]I can understand that some players might want a drastically simplified (even from the current) repair system, but that would trod on someone's play experience. One could argue that the current combat system is too complicated, and that it should be simplified to one class and one attack button, so you don't have to bother with all that other stuff like selecting weapon skills or building TP. I mean ... I only want to go out and kill stuff so I can get materials to craft with - why is combat so complicated? [/sarcasm=off]

In all seriousness, finding some balance that adds some interest while not placing awkward obstacles for players seems in everyone's interest.

edit: Looking back at the original post, I very much like the idea of adding flexibility to craft/material for items. My suggestion for the occasional more difficult repair is to provide some balance to the "make it easy" as well as making for a little change of pace from the day-to-day.

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Originally Posted by Amineri

Allowing for more options makes it easier to find the right material and craft when you need something repaired when doing leves or on a quest...

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Great idea because of this generally. It's easier to fix something with more than one option on the table.