Are minions (vanity pets) going to cost real money?

A friend brought this up with me

It seems like the minions are probably going to cost real money, has Yoshi-P said anything about this? :confused:

I see you are trying to do.

This thread is now about Tophats & Monocles (crowns are ok )

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Originally Posted by ClausL

A friend brought this up with me

It seems like the minions are probably going to cost real money, has Yoshi-P said anything about this? :confused:

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if your the anti WoW community and your preety much saying the game sucks because its WoW like then you should know pets are not cash shop...well unless you buy the ones in the cash shop like the little flame kitty and the panda which were put up with some of the cash going to charities with each purchase o.o and I wouldnt mind buying a chocobo egg plushie in rl and getting a code to redeem it in game like they did with the windrider and gryphon in WoW that would be awesome... i bought both and i even bought one for my little sisters 1 got a wind rider other got the gryphon... though one is an alliance worgen hunter my youngest 10 year old sister and then my 13 year old sister got the gryphon shes a horde tauren druid :<

seriously If I could buy the plushie in rl and have a redeemable code would be awesome =3

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i really have no idea what WoW does or doesn't do.

I was just asking if minions are going to cost money , it seems like all these minions are something of an indication for free-to-play with cash shop. they look like your typical cash shop pets

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Originally Posted by ClausL

i really have no idea what WoW does or doesn't do.

I was just asking if minions are going to cost money , it seems like all these minions are something of an indication for free-to-play with cash shop. they look like your typical cash shop pets

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Does it matter? We already know you don't want them.

Uhh, you don't know what I want.

I don't necessarily want immersion breaking "silly/random" vanity pets, but I don't disapprove of them in general

I don't really mind if they cost money if the game is gonna be free, I'm just asking.

Not at liberty to say.

You'll find out when information becomes available.

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Originally Posted by ClausL

A friend brought this up with me
It seems like the minions are probably going to cost real money, has Yoshi-P said anything about this? :confused:

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Unless your friend has inside info, I'd say they were playing the troll.

Also:

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiKayla

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crown

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and beard

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Originally Posted by ClausL

i really have no idea what WoW does or doesn't do.

I was just asking if minions are going to cost money , it seems like all these minions are something of an indication for free-to-play with cash shop. they look like your typical cash shop pets

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No, they aren't an indication of anything pf the sort. They are an indication that there are vanity pets in the game, not of any business model. Yoshida already said *very* clearly and multiple times that the game is not going to be free to play. As a matter of fact we already have the official monthly fees nicely listed.

There are plenty games in which vanity pets are acquired through in-game means, so there's no reason whatsoever to believe that vanity pets in this game are an indication of the implementation of a cash shop.

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Originally Posted by ArkhamNative

Unless your friend has inside info, I'd say they were playing the troll.

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Nah, it's not the "friend". Posting history often brings enlightenment on the nature of a thread.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Nah, it's not the "friend". Posting history often brings enlightenment on the nature of a thread.

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I second this; I can't remember a time where ClausL has posted anything positive about the game; it's all doom, gloom and OH NO THIS IS GOING TO SUCK with nothing but pure speculation to back him up.

Claus, if you think the game is going to be so awful, why are you still here?

It'd look really ridiculous if you still had this kind of attitude when the game is released and you're paying a subscription.

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Originally Posted by Nix

I second this; I can't remember a time where ClausL has posted anything positive about the game; it's all doom, gloom and OH NO THIS IS GOING TO SUCK with nothing but pure speculation to back him up.

Claus, if you think the game is going to be so awful, why are you still here?

It'd look really ridiculous if you still had this kind of attitude when the game is released and you're paying a subscription.

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Add on the fact he joined the forum not till 3 months after the initial server shutdown, only really played the actual game for 2 months. It really just obvious the user is a bored individual with nothing fun to do.


If the complaints about the game were made when it was actually in service they would be valid but nope.

Oh gosh Dhalmel, I just got red wine up my nose thanks to that crab pic XD... gonna be smellin' shiraz for a week!

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Originally Posted by Nix

Oh gosh Dhalmel, I just got red wine up my nose thanks to that crab pic XD... gonna be smellin' shiraz for a week!

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No... but they can, want to buy mine? :D

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Originally Posted by Denmo

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That pic always makes me giggle like a schoolgirl! D:
Ruins my tough-gal image.... not that I ever had a tough-gal image... lol

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Originally Posted by Nix

I can't remember a time where ClausL has posted anything positive about the game; it's all doom, gloom and OH NO THIS IS GOING TO SUCK

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how is this a negative post? what's so bad about cash shop pets/free to play? :l

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Originally Posted by Dhalmel

Add on the fact he joined the forum not till 3 months after the initial server shutdown, only really played the actual game for 2 months. It really just obvious the user is a bored individual with nothing fun to do.

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I'm an original beta tester and a preorderer/ collector's edition owner you mongoloid, go back to your super epic happy funny time le random kitties thread

you can't even sign up anymore, I just started using the forums in 2013.

to be clear... you guys don't think there's ANY chance that they're making the vanity pets with microtransactions in mind?

It seems clear as day to me

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Originally Posted by ClausL

to be clear... you guys don't think there's ANY chance that they're making the vanity pets with microtransactions

seems clear as day to me

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There is no chance. Having pets does not nessesarily mean cash shop. It can meain game currency, or achievements, or even GC rewards. In your logic, Theorectically anything you could buy with gil in a game that hasn't released yet could look like a microtransaction, because they are all purchases. Now stop making something out of nothing.

NO chance? Seriously?

but anyway, usually these types of cosmetic items are bought with microtransactions which is why I asked. it looks like they're planning for a cash shop.

I'm ok with it though, probably won't buy them anyway unless they do a wyvern

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Originally Posted by ClausL

NO chance? Seriously?

but anyway, usually these types of cosmetic items are bought with microtransactions which is why I asked. it looks like they're planning for a cash shop.

I'm ok with it though, probably won't buy them anyway unless they do a wyvern

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OK, if you are just going to close your ears and keep throwing assumptions about a theoretical cash shop until some fool believes you. This thread is no discussion. You are clearly accusing SE of something it hasn't advertised it will do with ARR.

I haven't advertised anything as fact or made any accusations, this thread was posed as a question.

Stop getting all mad over something so harmless, jeez lady. I'm just saying it seems like a POSSIBILITY. that much is true! I never said the minions are for sure going to cost cash.

I think most realistically there will be some ingame minions and some cash shop ones.

If you don't think at some point they have microtransaction for pets,mounts, Change your char name, Change your char race, Change worlds your out of your mind this is a company they want to make the most money.

Sure at first we wont see microtransaction but i'm sure at somepoint they add mount that is the same as any normal mount you can get in game just in a new skin same with pets.

True.

I'm probably going to get flamed for this but when I saw the Magitek the first thing I thought was 'cash shop mount'

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Originally Posted by ClausL

I haven't advertised anything as fact or made any accusations, this thread was posed as a question.

Stop getting all mad over something so harmless, jeez lady. I'm just saying it seems like a POSSIBILITY. that much is true! I never said the minions are for sure going to cost cash.

I think most realistically there will be some ingame minions and some cash shop ones.

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Translation of the above: I'm not a troll! Really! believe me! I'm just concerned!

Posting history is always enlightening.

The only information we've recieved so far [to my knowledge]

•Pets will be collectable in-game through a variety of means;
-Ingame Purchase/Events/Achievements/Rewards
•Pets will have no 'advantages'
-No EXP Buff, No Stat Buff, No Bigger Boobs Buff


These completely cosmetic pets will almost certainly be a completely in-game.

Square-Enix as far as I can see has never for FFXI or XIV offered a 'Cash for items' service, and I don't see it happening any time soon.



(Unless ARR hits financial difficulties, then this would be a great idea among many others)

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Originally Posted by Shioban

Square-Enix as far as I can see has never for FFXI or XIV offered a 'Cash for items' service, and I don't see it happening any time soon.

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completely untrue, FFXI has had tons of microtransactions over the years

and Square Enix is no stranger to DLC and microtransactions, look at any of their other recent FF games which are all loaded down with paid bonus content

look I'm just saying it seems like a given , but yeah I know there's no official info. probably because you guys begin to panic whenever it's mentioned lol.

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Originally Posted by ClausL

completely untrue, FFXI has had tons of microtransactions over the years

and Square Enix is no stranger to DLC and microtransactions, look at any of their other recent FF games which are all loaded down with paid bonus content

look I'm just saying it seems like a given , but yeah I know there's no official info. probably because you guys begin to panic whenever it's mentioned lol.

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Micro-transactions for in-game items?
When?

E.G £4.99 for a Berret to give you +20% EXP for 72 Hours.
or
£10.00 for a mini-Leaping Lizzy

Actual in-game items what I'm talking about, such as gear and pets.
Not services such as server transfers.


I've seen other Square-Enix mobile games doing this yes, but not XI and XIV as far as I recall.

I could be wrong though, I am genuinely curious.

As a developer myself, i'd like to see if they did introduce it how many people would actually pay for items. Team Fortress 2 is a case-study of its own for people paying extortionate amounts of money for in-game items.

As a developer I think = More Money
As someone who plays games I feel its kind of a 'scummy' business model.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

this is a company they want to make the most money.

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Like they did for 11 years with FFXI? It's their most profitable Final Fantasy game, and it has no cash shop.

Wanna know a great way to make the "most money"?

Putting all your development resources into content that can instantly be enjoyed by all your subscribers (helping retain them) without limitations, instead of diluting your resources and shifting your development model to try and make your users buy as much stuff as possible.

Which i what they did with XI, very successfully.

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Originally Posted by ClausL

completely untrue, FFXI has had tons of microtransactions over the years

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Paid services and microtransactions are two very different things. Next thing you'll say in your endless grasping at straws is that the monthly fee is a microtransaction.

Try harder.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Paid services and microtransactions are two very different things. Next thing you'll say in your endless grasping at straws is that the monthly fee is a microtransaction.

Try harder.

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They actually aren't different things first of all, if you look up the definition of a microtransaction, but anyway;

besides paid server transfers, $25 in-game marriages, etc. etc. "services", FFXI also offered functional, paid bonus items

such as : $10 Mog Satchel (huge inventory expansion, which every player HAD to buy if you were serious about XI)
$40 Tidal Talisman (very useful equipment which could teleport your entire party)

these are certainly microtransactions and arguably pay to win items, this is just what I remember off the top of my head, I'm positive that SE offered more official RMT items for FFXI

and I think you can be sure they will do it for XIV on a larger scale

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Originally Posted by ClausL

They actually aren't different things

besides paid server transfers, $25 in-game marriages, etc. etc. "services"

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Not microtransactions.

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FFXI also offered functional, paid bonus items

such as : $10 Mog Satchel (huge inventory expansion, which every player HAD to buy if you were serious about XI)
$40 Tidal Talisman (very useful equipment which could teleport your entire party)

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And the bridge-dweller rears his head again in trying so hard to warp reality to try and intentionally mislead and fit a false theorem.

both of those items have nothing to do with microtransactions. They are in-game items granted as bonuses for the purchase of out-of-game goods (the mog satchel for the security token and the tidal talisman for a physical necklace).

No more no less than the commemorative items granted for going to a distant world concert or collectibles for a collector's edition. Nothing to do with microtransactions and cash shops whatsoever.

Try harder, you're amusing in how you try to spin reality to prove complete falsehoods.

In the meanwhile reality stands: FFXI is the most profitable Final Fantasy game and has no microtransactions or cash shops whatsoever.

The bottom line is that they were entirely functional in-game items (which gave players a huge advantage) and costed real money.

They were pay to win items, and there's no way to dispute that.

I don't see why you white knight Square Enix so much, they're not as good as you think they are.

if Square offers nothing but cosmetic pets and mounts in XIV, consider yourself lucky... keep in mind we're talking about the company that charged people extra for the ending to XIII-2

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Originally Posted by ClausL

The bottom line is that they were entirely functional in-game items (which gave players a huge advantage) and costed real money.

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Nope. They costed nothing as they were just a free bonus for the purchase of an out-of-game item.

Absolutely no different from the bonus items granted for a collector's edition or attending an event, and nothing to do with microtransactions and cash shops whatsoever.

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I don't see why you white knight Square Enix so much, they're not as good as you think they are.

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Unfortunately for you taking your intentionally false and misleading arguments and tearing them to pieces has nothing to do with "white knighting" whatsoever, as much as you'd love to paint it so.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Not microtransactions.



And the bridge-dweller rears his head again in trying so hard to warp reality to try and intentionally mislead and fit a false theorem.

both of those items have nothing to do with microtransactions. They are in-game items granted as bonuses for the purchase of out-of-game goods (the mog satchel for the security token and the tidal talisman for a physical necklace).

No more no less than the commemorative items granted for going to a distant world concert or collectibles for a collector's edition. Nothing to do with microtransactions and cash shops whatsoever.

Try harder, you're amusing in how you try to spin reality to prove complete falsehoods.

In the meanwhile reality stands: FFXI is the most profitable Final Fantasy game and has no microtransactions or cash shops whatsoever.

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Ah, bonus items for purchasing something else are common with FFXI, thats what some people may have been saying then.

When I bought FFXI Abyssea Edition recetenly to tide me over again until FFXIV:ARR I received a Berret for a new character if I wanted.

You're right, those are more rewards.


Still yet to see explicit micro-transactions.

"Give us $40 for this pig that oinks and follows you"

OK, let me put it this way...

There were bonus items in FFXI.
They gave you a huge advantage, such as bonus abilities and doubling your storage.
The only way to get these items was to pay real money on top of your subscription

Yes or no?

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Originally Posted by ClausL

OK, let me put it this way...

There were bonus items in FFXI.
They gave you a huge advantage, such as bonus abilities and doubling your storage.
The only way to get these items was to pay real money on top of your subscription

Yes or no?

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Doesn't matter. They're not microtransactions or cash shop items and the "huge advantage" is a gross hyperbole.

They didn't cost "real money", because they costed factually nothing, and their existence proves nothing. Your argument has been debunked, may want to move on to the next attempt to spread F.U.D.

How did they cost factually nothing?

The only way for me to get those items was to pay between $10~$100+, even though I was already a subscriber... pay-to-win items, because I basically had to buy them as a competitive/serious player.

yes they came with physical items too, but if you ask any player if they paid $10 for the satchel or the token... or if they really wanted that cheap necklace-- I think you know what the response will be. They paid real money for virtual items which gave them an advantage. (RMT)

point is, FFXI has always had microtransactions, and XIV will more than likely follow that trend.

by your logic, it's totally OK if the vanity pets cost cash if they send you a physical plushy in the mail? Maybe you should suggest it to Yoshi-P.

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Originally Posted by ClausL

How did they cost factually nothing?

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They cost factually nothing because the money you paid was for the real world item. The in-game item is nothing else than a completely free bonus and has no factual or legal value in the transaction between you and square enix.

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The only way for me to get those items was to pay between $10~$100+, even though I was already a subscriber... FFXI has always had microtransactions, and XIV will more than likely follow that trend.

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False. Mindlessly repeating an already demolished argument won't really help you.

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by your logic, it's totally OK if the vanity pets are free if they send you a physical plushy in the mail?

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Can't even follow the logic. May want to try harder. by my logic they could grant an in-game bonus for purchasing a plushie. You're purchasing the plushie, not the in-game item.
Which is entirely ok, and a widely accepted and harmless practice in the industry since WAY before microtransactions were even a thing.

And i'm laughing so hard at you randomly dropping the definition of "RMT" associating it to something that has absolutely nothing to do with it.