Fishing in ARR

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Q10: How will fishing work in FFXIV: A Realm Reborn?

A10: It's probably best if you actually experience it in-game, so let me just go over the broad concept. In ARR, you will first need to walk near a water spot, select a fishing pole that matches the type of water, and then select the bait. There will be no actions during the fishing process. Instead, we will be providing a variety of fish-types depending on the area.

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I can't help but be worried by this, I was hoping for some kind of minigame but from the sounds of this it looks like it's going to be a point-and-wait deelio D:

I am hoping that my understanding of this statement was wrong ><, I'm not usually one to grumble but taking the mini-game aspect out of fishing kinda feels odd, like hitting 'fish' and just waiting would get kinda old... it'd be easy, but old D:


Please, if you're reading this dear Reps; bribe Yoshi with red bull and shiny new accessories until he rethinks this course of action. ><

Anything is better than fishing from 1.0. It was so random, I hated it.

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I should mention that I'd much prefer it to function like mining and botany do in A Realm Reborn. I just really disliked how it played in 1.0 in comparison to the other gathering classes.

Feel free to add in here. I'm basically as angry as I've ever been. If he really thinks that "I like to talk" is a good enough reason to completely remove any and all involvement with the process then I can't imagine the rest of the game will ever be any good.

We asked for MORE involvement, not the removal of everything that made fishing fishing. What's the point? Why did he even bother letting us fish in 1.0 in the first place?

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Originally Posted by LlenCoram

Feel free to add in here. I'm basically as angry as I've ever been. If he really thinks that "I like to talk" is a good enough reason to completely remove any and all involvement with the process then I can't imagine the rest of the game will ever be any good.

We asked for MORE involvement, not the removal of everything that made fishing fishing. What's the point? Why did he even bother letting us fish in 1.0 in the first place?

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Thank you Llen! I echo your concerns><

@The good Doctor - I agree that a change was needed, I was hoping for a really enjoyable minigame as opposed to completely shredding everything and making it a clickfest><

Rather sad about this..

Hmmm I found it to be pretty much the same as mining & botany in 1.0 o_o just with a "horizontal" minigame. However, I don't think the bait/lures in 1.0 were working as intended and that's what caused the randomness.

Confused about how it will work even from what he said. . . . Seems even simpler than the already simplified other DoL class >.>;;;;

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Yeah. . . . but I'm sure it can't bee worse than 1.0. I mean, Yoshi said he wants us to have a nice experience while we fish rather than just do it for the purpose of gathering mats, so I believe that he's going to make it enjoyable for us.

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Originally Posted by Nuinn

Hmmm I found it to be pretty much the same as mining & botany in 1.0 o_o just with a "horizontal" minigame. However, I don't think the bait/lures in 1.0 were working as intended and that's what caused the randomness.

Confused about how it will work even from what he said. . . . Seems even simpler than the already simplified other DoL class >.>;;;;

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Yeah. . . . but I'm sure it can't bee worse than 1.0. I mean, Yoshi said he wants us to have a nice experience while we fish rather than just do it for the purpose of gathering mats, so I believe that he's going to make it enjoyable for us.

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I think it can be worse. If the system truly doesn't need any input at all from the players, other than "Ok, pick your rod. Ok, pick your bait. Right, now click here. Ok, wait... wait... wait... yay you got a fish. WASN'T THAT FUN?!", then it's a lot worse than it used to be. At least before you could tell it what to do.

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Originally Posted by LlenCoram

I think it can be worse. If the system truly doesn't need any input at all from the players, other than "Ok, pick your rod. Ok, pick your bait. Right, now click here. Ok, wait... wait... wait... yay you got a fish. WASN'T THAT FUN?!", then it's a lot worse than it used to be. At least before you could tell it what to do.

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I can't imagine it being all that simple, although I gotta admit that Yoshi's info so far about fishing is puzzling. Just don't believe he's make it that simple, but who knows. . . . I guess in 3 more days we can find out(?)

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Originally Posted by Nuinn

I can't imagine it being all that simple, although I gotta admit that Yoshi's info so far about fishing is puzzling. Just don't believe he's make it that simple, but who knows. . . . I guess in 3 more days we can find out(?)

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Fishing won't be included until beta phase 3. That fact actually fuels my depression. If it really is a completely brand new system, then he should want as many people as possible testing it before launch. The fact that he's only going to give it to us in phase 3 tells me that there's no complexity to test.

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Originally Posted by LlenCoram

Fishing won't be included until beta phase 3. That fact actually fuels my depression. If it really is a completely brand new system, then he should want as many people as possible testing it before launch. The fact that he's only going to give it to us in phase 3 tells me that there's no complexity to test.

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:O I need better glasses (or any glasses to begin with) Phase 3??? :( Boo!

There was a mention of fishing in Reinheart's translation not sure what to make of it...
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...sle=true&pli=1

f ok next one, in ARR how is fishing? please explain
y the best way is to try it out but talking about the concept. I used to fish as a child, but for mmo there are times i want to chat and stuff so using the armoury system we wanted people to change to fisher and change gear to that water and fish. It’s made so you don’t need optimal gear but anyways we have it made where it’s not where it requires action.
it’s something where players can enjoy fishing in fresh water, sea water.

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Originally Posted by Alaltus

There was a mention of fishing in Reinheart's translation not sure what to make of it...
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...sle=true&pli=1

f ok next one, in ARR how is fishing? please explain
y the best way is to try it out but talking about the concept. I used to fish as a child, but for mmo there are times i want to chat and stuff so using the armoury system we wanted people to change to fisher and change gear to that water and fish. It’s made so you don’t need optimal gear but anyways we have it made where it’s not where it requires action.
it’s something where players can enjoy fishing in fresh water, sea water.

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It was posted in the Q&A Section as well.

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Q10: How will fishing work in FFXIV: A Realm Reborn?

A10: It's probably best if you actually experience it in-game, so let me just go over the broad concept. In ARR, you will first need to walk near a water spot, select a fishing pole that matches the type of water, and then select the bait. There will be no actions during the fishing process. Instead, we will be providing a variety of fish-types depending on the area.

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isnt that what you do when fishing in real life? put out your pole, put the bait, cast, and wait? lol

anyway, just try it first and rage later

does anyone in this thread have any hard evidence or personal experience with how fishing works in 2.0 upon which to base this outrage? :)

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Originally Posted by LlenCoram

It was posted in the Q&A Section as well.

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I knew i saw that! i was hunting and hunting for it and couldn't find it >.<

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Originally Posted by fusional

does anyone in this thread have any hard evidence or personal experience with how fishing works in 2.0 upon which to base this outrage? :)

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None, which is why I'm still here refreshing every ten seconds, and why I'll be playing Phase 3 to see how badly they ruined fishing.

Until then, the answer about fishing from the Q&A is enough to fuel my rage. If there's any chance at all of it being true, then my rage is well-founded and it's best if the devs hear about it before phase 3 rolls around.

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Originally Posted by fusional

does anyone in this thread have any hard evidence or personal experience with how fishing works in 2.0 upon which to base this outrage? :)

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No, but this is the Lodestone! Hatred of change flows like wine here!

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Originally Posted by LlenCoram

None, which is why I'm still here refreshing every ten seconds, and why I'll be playing Phase 3 to see how badly they ruined fishing.

Until then, the answer about fishing from the Q&A is enough to fuel my rage. If there's any chance at all of it being true, then my rage is well-founded and it's best if the devs hear about it before phase 3 rolls around.

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so,if they heard your rage, they will change it?

/clap

Its not like Fishing in 1.0 took any real skill either.... after catching about 200 fish the "mini-game" was pretty dry for me, so personally I think speeding up the process of catching fish by getting rid of that is a +

Again this is my opinion, not saying any of your opinions are wrong.

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Originally Posted by Aion

so,if they heard your rage, they will change it?

/clap

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You're not even going to read this, but fine.

It's not the rage that might change things, it's a combined outcry by other fishers or anyone who had any hopes that the system might be more involved than simply clicking on a patch of water and waiting. My rage comes from how important fishing was to me, and I know it won't change anything, but others will and are giving their opinions about this proposed change. If it was a bad translation, then hopefully we're making enough of a ruckus to warrant having a dev calm us down like the petulant children we're being. If it wasn't a bad translation, then maybe the devs can look at everyone saying they're unhappy with what they've heard. If we're completely wrong in our assumptions, then a dev can tell us to shut up, wait, and see, and that it won't be so bad. If we're somehow right, then maybe Yoshi and Co. can look at the noise we're making and maybe, just maybe, think twice about the route he's planning to take fishing.

But like I said, you won't read any of that because "lol forum rage." It's easy to mock things when you don't care about them. For the rest of us, we're worried, and any info at all saying we're wrong would be the greatest gift possible.

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Originally Posted by Lady

Its not like Fishing in 1.0 took any real skill either.... after catching about 200 fish the "mini-game" was pretty dry for me, so personally I think speeding up the process of catching fish by getting rid of that is a +

Again this is my opinion, not saying any of your opinions are wrong.

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If they wanted to speed it up, they could have given us the same system the new botany seems to use. That one is quick, easy, and requires very little skill. What this new system seems to propose (and I hope I'm wrong) is that we'll go to a patch of water and just receive fish. I'm fearing that it'll basically be the Christmas bells all over again, only for fish this time. Click thing, receive item. Rinse and repeat.

I'm in no way raging... though i can predict that if fishing is simply click and instant fish. Which from what was written seems to be describing i'm not convinced i will be fishing in 2.0

From what was said in the articles i was hoping that fishing might atleast become a fun minigame more for fun sake but it sounds like you won't even be fighting the fish to catch it =( i hope i'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by LlenCoram

You're not even going to read this, but fine.

It's not the rage that might change things, it's a combined outcry by other fishers or anyone who had any hopes that the system might be more involved than simply clicking on a patch of water and waiting. My rage comes from how important fishing was to me, and I know it won't change anything, but others will and are giving their opinions about this proposed change. If it was a bad translation, then hopefully we're making enough of a ruckus to warrant having a dev calm us down like the petulant children we're being. If it wasn't a bad translation, then maybe the devs can look at everyone saying they're unhappy with what they've heard. If we're completely wrong in our assumptions, then a dev can tell us to shut up, wait, and see, and that it won't be so bad. If we're somehow right, then maybe Yoshi and Co. can look at the noise we're making and maybe, just maybe, think twice about the route he's planning to take fishing.

But like I said, you won't read any of that because "lol forum rage." It's easy to mock things when you don't care about them. For the rest of us, we're worried, and any info at all saying we're wrong would be the greatest gift possible.

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Good post. I'm surprised you took the time to explain it to those trolling your thread (I surely wouldn't have..). But yeah, your right.. this will likely (no, almost certainly) whoosh right over their heads..

I really cant wrap my my mind around, how fishing is such an important aspect to the game, for some...

We don't even know how fishing is gonna work, so why should we complain about it now?
There's not gonna be any fishing vids from beta, since there's no fisher guild in Gridania. So unless devs release some video from their version, showing how it works, you'll just have to wait and see.

The more I think about it, the more I feel myself swelling with unfounded optimism.

It's not being implemented until B3 because it's not finished yet, not because there's nothing to test! It's just going to be centred around Limsa, that's all.

Centred around Limsa... Means... THE SEA.

So I'm *sure* a group of 4-8 FSH will sign up for the fishing minigame, wherein they embark upon an ocean-trawler, head out into a 30 minute instance out at Indigo Deep, where they have to work together to keep control of the boat in stormy seas, avoid (or fight!) Sahagin, drop their nets (yes, NETS! none of this fishing-pole crap) and even go diving for treasure (though water-based movement will come in the third patch, not at launch) until the time is up, at which point they haul in their vast catch and head back to the Guild for huge XP and gil rewards, with a chance of extra treasures being caught up in the wash.

HAVE FAITH IN YOSHI-P!!! :D

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Originally Posted by LlenCoram

If they wanted to speed it up, they could have given us the same system the new botany seems to use. That one is quick, easy, and requires very little skill. What this new system seems to propose (and I hope I'm wrong) is that we'll go to a patch of water and just receive fish. I'm fearing that it'll basically be the Christmas bells all over again, only for fish this time. Click thing, receive item. Rinse and repeat.

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TBH, it doesn't sound that much different from the new system.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

I really cant wrap my my mind around, how fishing is such an important aspect to the game, for some...

We don't even know how fishing is gonna work, so why should we complain about it now?
There's not gonna be any fishing vids from beta, since there's no fisher guild in Gridania. So unless devs release some video from their version, showing how it works, you'll just have to wait and see.

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Its a past time, heres an example. SE announces chocobo racing, you have no control in the actual racing you just watch as the chocobo run to the finish line. Edit: We/I want to see something more fun come out of fishing than just have it automated.

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Originally Posted by Alaltus

Its a past time, heres an example. SE announces chocobo racing, you have no control in the actual racing you just watch as the chocobo run to the finish line. Edit: We/I want to see something more fun come out of fishing than just have it automated.

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Except chocobo racing is a bit more exciting. it's a competition where you can win good stuff; Well it depends on what game you're referring to; In FF7 you could control the chocobo to some extent. In other games it was mostly really boring gamble.
Even in 1.0 fishing was just a matter of going to a specific spot, and gather specific fish; with a tedious mini-game involved.

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Originally Posted by Mjollnir

The more I think about it, the more I feel myself swelling with unfounded optimism.

It's not being implemented until B3 because it's not finished yet, not because there's nothing to test! It's just going to be centred around Limsa, that's all.

Centred around Limsa... Means... THE SEA.

So I'm *sure* a group of 4-8 FSH will sign up for the fishing minigame, wherein they embark upon an ocean-trawler, head out into a 30 minute instance out at Indigo Deep, where they have to work together to keep control of the boat in stormy seas, avoid (or fight!) Sahagin, drop their nets (yes, NETS! none of this fishing-pole crap) and even go diving for treasure (though water-based movement will come in the third patch, not at launch) until the time is up, at which point they haul in their vast catch and head back to the Guild for huge XP and gil rewards, with a chance of extra treasures being caught up in the wash.

HAVE FAITH IN YOSHI-P!!! :D

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:P Maybe you should be leading the charge. I've been wanting my own little sailboat for fishing in XIV for ages now.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

Except chocobo racing is a bit more exciting. it's a competition where you can win good stuff; Well it depends on what game you're referring to; In FF7 you could control the chocobo to some extent. In other games it was mostly really boring gamble.
Even in 1.0 fishing was just a matter of going to a specific spot, and gather specific fish; with a tedious mini-game involved.

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Fishing can be exciting!, fishing can be a competition!
What we're asking for is something more than the boring tedious mechanics of 1.0. If your not convinced there are many games out there that have fishing in them that are far and away better than either of these systems.

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Originally Posted by Mjollnir

The more I think about it, the more I feel myself swelling with unfounded optimism.

It's not being implemented until B3 because it's not finished yet, not because there's nothing to test! It's just going to be centred around Limsa, that's all.

Centred around Limsa... Means... THE SEA.

So I'm *sure* a group of 4-8 FSH will sign up for the fishing minigame, wherein they embark upon an ocean-trawler, head out into a 30 minute instance out at Indigo Deep, where they have to work together to keep control of the boat in stormy seas, avoid (or fight!) Sahagin, drop their nets (yes, NETS! none of this fishing-pole crap) and even go diving for treasure (though water-based movement will come in the third patch, not at launch) until the time is up, at which point they haul in their vast catch and head back to the Guild for huge XP and gil rewards, with a chance of extra treasures being caught up in the wash.

HAVE FAITH IN YOSHI-P!!! :D

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+1 ^^

Battles aren't the only important thing in a game ._____. I swear, if some people knew how many """stupid""" things (triple the emphasis) I found fun and vital in 1.0 they'd have me murdered.

Yes, I am currently disappoint. I will give it a try, but from the sounds of it, it seems.... uninteresting.

I posted in the other thread too but I'll post here as well.

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Q10: How will fishing work in FFXIV: A Realm Reborn?

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A10: It's probably best if you actually experience it in-game, so let me just go over the broad concept. In ARR, you will first need to walk near a water spot, select a fishing pole that matches the type of water, and then select the bait. There will be no actions during the fishing process. Instead, we will be providing a variety of fish-types depending on the area.

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This is not a good answer. Not because we are going to throw an entitled fit, but because we are simply asking for information. And honestly, most of the answers in this letter were very vague. The problem here is that we have been told to expect 'big changes' to fishing for quite a while, and they have 'kept us on the hook' [eh? eh? :) ] for far too long without any real payoff.

What we want *most of all* are details with your plans for the system. Maybe not all people will be satisfied with the answer, and we can then discuss those details. But right now you have all us fishers jumping at shadows because we don't know how to read these vague insinuations.

If you just want to stick with the 'broad concept', then tell us this at least: are fishers still connected with the economy at all? With Massively's info and the info you provided in the letter, are we going to be able to make any money at all for our labor in leveling this job?

I can understand if perhaps you feel that the fast-paced nature of botany and mining don't fit the patience and quiet intensity required of fishing. I actually agree with you--without suggesting that fishing should require no input whatsoever (horrible idea). However, everyone in threads like this is worried that a class that they took the time to level is becoming obsolete in the game and its economy, and instead being turned into a trivial distraction to pass time while chatting. If ANY more light could be shed on this, confirming it one way or another, you would at least end a lot of desperate speculation.

Please don't tell us we all wasted our time leveling Fisher.

i wouldn't mind an XI like fishing mini game. you could mix it up a bit with line tension(based on Rod, Giving it more purpose). best part of any fishing minigame is having the fish struggle to get away.

im not down with the "you caught me, bro" fishing style minigame.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/35249337.jpg

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Originally Posted by Fatestorm

I posted in the other thread too but I'll post here as well.



This is not a good answer. Not because we are going to throw an entitled fit, but because we are simply asking for information. And honestly, most of the answers in this letter were very vague. The problem here is that we have been told to expect 'big changes' to fishing for quite a while, and they have 'kept us on the hook' [eh? eh? :) ] for far too long without any real payoff.

What we want *most of all* are details with your plans for the system. Maybe not all people will be satisfied with the answer, and we can then discuss those details. But right now you have all us fishers jumping at shadows because we don't know how to read these vague insinuations.

If you just want to stick with the 'broad concept', then tell us this at least: are fishers still connected with the economy at all? With Massively's info and the info you provided in the letter, are we going to be able to make any money at all for our labor in leveling this job?

I can understand if perhaps you feel that the fast-paced nature of botany and mining don't fit the patience and quiet intensity required of fishing. I actually agree with you--without suggesting that fishing should require no input whatsoever (horrible idea). However, everyone in threads like this is worried that a class that they took the time to level is becoming obsolete in the game and its economy, and instead being turned into a trivial distraction to pass time while chatting. If ANY more light could be shed on this, confirming it one way or another, you would at least end a lot of desperate speculation.

Please don't tell us we all wasted our time leveling Fisher.

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This. It's what I wanted to say, but my rage blinded me and made me type... not this. Thanks Fatestorm.

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Originally Posted by Valmonte

im not down with the "you caught me, bro" fishing style minigame.

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Ahahahahaha. This is line of the year right here.

Aww.. I was hoping earlier interviews saying the game got a deeper mini game.

If it really is a sit and watch where even botanist and miner have more skill involved.. I seriously hope the reps convey our disappointment in this decision. Like.. great disappointment.

Still hoping for misinterpretation of what he is saying though.

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Originally Posted by Fatestorm

Ahahahahaha. This is line of the year right here.

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Fishing in ARR:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqCmgbjeRw0

Think the decision to do this was prolly more about how random the results of a mini game approach were/would be in regards to the fishes being yielded. I remember trying to fish up certain fish in 1.0 to level my alchemy or cooking and getting jack even though i was using the "correct" bait etc lol. Guess the "fishing" nerf is namely due to its tie to main crafting jobs, otherwise if it was secondary jobs like it is in games like wow, then maybe they could a left it as a random mini game.
I agree that getting my fishing to level 50 was a monumental pain in my ass, and feel kinda bad about the "time lost" like some of you, but the fact that a wasted time sentiment is even implied shows me how bad fishing as it was in 1/0 really was.
As far as what was said, I namely just read it as its like the other 2 gathering jobs without the "combo" style gathering, but well have to wait and see.

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Originally Posted by Gumbercules

Think the decision to do this was prolly more about how random the results of a mini game approach were/would be in regards to the fishes being yielded. I remember trying to fish up certain fish in 1.0 to level my alchemy or cooking and getting jack even though i was using the "correct" bait etc lol. Guess the "fishing" nerf is namely due to its tie to main crafting jobs, otherwise if it was secondary jobs like it is in games like wow, then maybe they could a left it as a random mini game.
I agree that getting my fishing to level 50 was a monumental pain in my ass, and feel kinda bad about the "time lost" like some of you, but the fact that a wasted time sentiment is even implied shows me how bad fishing as it was in 1/0 really was.
As far as what was said, I namely just read it as its like the other 2 gathering jobs without the "combo" style gathering, but well have to wait and see.

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Baits where broken when they rearranged the nodes, all you needed was worms and the proper level fishing pole and you could catch anything. before that, you needed certain types of bait to catch some fish.

I was not a fan of the random nature of fishing, or any gathering in 1.0 either. But, making it nothing more than point, click and wait makes it more of a chore than anything. If you are going to do that, just make it a skill everyone can use rather than calling it a seperate class.