Creature death animations via Spira (FFX) Death/ more Anima Death

In FFX whenever you killed something, specially bosses they died with a soul releasing effect.

http://gengame.net/wp-content/upload.../01/ffx-hd.jpg

I really liked the effect because it better immersed the monster disapearing (like in FFXIV I'm thinking "wtf 10 seconds you decomposed into dirt?" lol)

Its not a huge immersion breaker but I defintely liked the soul effect in FFX - it also made some good plot tools. And to add more fan service, as you may have seen in the JP translation thread we are known (1.0 players) as hollow's (at least what most think of the translation), so it would be cool for certain plot points or when 1.0 players die that it shows our hollowness (as we are not all the way there). (The hollow wording may not have anything to do with our state, just the fact that we are gone and then back.. like a ghost, but not an actual ghost.. so you can say I'm being too literal lol)


Furthermore as an example of soul death thats already in FFXIV, watch Nael Van Darnus's death - he sports a sort of soul death.

http://youtu.be/aNVm7rxrxoc?t=29m45s


So I'm asking what do people think of adding a "spirited away/release" animation to monsters deaths and a greater effect to bosses deaths.

As a way to keep the change lore friendly and not look like a visual retcon it can be explained that with the summoning of the twelve and Bahamut events that the world energy source (anima right? lol hate to misquote) has become thick enough near the surface that the normally invisible action is visible. (Which could be fan service to "mist" in some games like FF9 and FF12). So double fan service value, more plot devices available, and monsters stop decomposing in 10 seconds flat.

Yes no?


Edit: Aether not anima thanks Coyohma, I knew I wasn't sure on anima for a reason lol

Also as Andrien/Psion point out below the visualization of spirit is not limited to just FFX. Nor is the idea of a lifestream just exhibited in FFVII, so perhaps even more then a double fan service but like a penta fan service.. lol

Zetsumei has an idea for monster spawn effects, I think thats a good idea - specially as he said that it demonstrates a bit of how they are formed (void and what not) just make sure the effect isnt too crazy unless its a like an HNM.


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I like this idea. I've also seen it in FFVII as the Lifestream.

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4...63q1qc658r.jpg

I approve of better death animations. Also perhaps an animation for when monsters spawn. I believe sometimes in FFX there were cutscenes where those same spirit orbs (I think they were called pyreflies) joined together to form a mob.

For FFXIV, a lot of monsters come from the 'void' maybe could have a portal appear briefly and then mob spawns out of the portal.

I feel like this should be reserved onry for bosses.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

...the world energy source (anima right? lol hate to misquote) ...

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It's aether. I don't dislike the idea, I'm sure they could make it fit the lore. I would just hope that it's subtle and the effect would be more impressive if you defeat something special.

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Originally Posted by Coyohma

It's aether. I don't dislike the idea, I'm sure they could make it fit the lore. I would just hope that it's subtle and the effect would be more impressive if you defeat something special.

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Well, naturally. In FFX if you killed a normal mob only several pyreflies would be released normally. But on some of the epic bosses, when you killed them they practically exploded into a pretty pyrefly firework. Which makes sense, as the pyreflies seemed to hold the memories of the living, similar to the lifestream of FFVII. (maybe pyreflies are bubbles? If the lifestreams like a flowing river, it's gotta have bubbles too, right? :D ) When living things died, if they weren't ready for death (probably mainly higher sentient beings, which are actually aware of their own mortality), the memories got corrupted by their emotions and they turned into fiends. It wouldn't surprise me if the fiend's appearance mainly is caused by what they perceived as "monstrous", or perhaps a fiend that was similar in ways to what they were in life. Like a sailer might become a piranha, or a mage might turn into an elemental, as if their skills in life got corrupted as well into a fiend that embraces said skills.

I would definitely love to see such animations in FFXIV though. FFXI had such a cutscene with... Flixblix? The goblin, so it's not exactly out of place either.

I also agree with the idea

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Originally Posted by Shougun

So I'm asking what do people think of adding a "spirited away/release" animation to monsters deaths and a greater effect to bosses deaths.

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I like Safer-Sephiroth's death.

http://youtu.be/9IArVdiWdi0?t=9m35s

I know it's PS1 but still cool. :)

Doesn't Ifrit shatter upon defeat? Like, he slumps down then shatters?

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Originally Posted by Alerith

Doesn't Ifrit shatter upon defeat? Like, he slumps down then shatters?

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http://youtu.be/jXnjLSQCDPM?t=17m26s

Sort of, its a bit of a sparkle poof warp effect. Imo its not very seamless but yeah definitely - something - is happening lol. Nice catch :D !

Wanted to add to the Aether / Anima lore. First question to the lore buffs what is Anima.. exactly? All I know is its in your character and replenishes itself. Sounds like "self" aether.

The Aetherytes are made from crystallized aetheric mist (http://www.eorzeapedia.com/wiki/Category:Aetheryte), so apparently there is already mist in the game and I didn't pay attention lol. And the work by turning your body into a stream of aether guided by your spirit.

So.. lets have more mist, more plot around what it is and how to use it and to let the recent events aether mist become visible :D (pyreflies/soul death stuff). Mist in FF9 was exciting, even more so once learning the darker secrets it holds..

So really spirit death effect fits in lore wise - already -.

Also there is Miasma in Mor Dhona :P


http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Mist_(Term)
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Miasma_(Term)

Edit:... double post -_- sorry...

I got to thinking... when Puddings/Flans/Sludges die they have an animation where they sort of melt, why not make it so players get a movement speed debuff when they stand in the puddle of what was formerly a Flan.

It's simple, and if you made it so in a boss waves of Flans spawn players would have to better crowd control them so that the entire party isn't running at like 75% of natural move speed - which would make the boss more difficult to dodge if they have some serious AoE attacks. Would be pretty good to add a bit of difficulty to a low/mid level dungeon.

Also I think that Voidsent should all have some sort of special death effect/animation; Bombs explode, Flans melt, Plasmoids and Wisps spark, Fire Elementals turn to ash, Water Elementals turn into water vapor,etc.

I think they should work on tying things in like the way monsters are slain and how it affects your character/the environment more, rather than just an exp loss thing.

For instance, if the creatures are composed of the same aether as everything else, you kill an X amount of them (not necassarily one type, just x amount of normal grade creatures) after say, 50 kills, your personal anima gets an restorative click as the anima released from them is breathed back into the world and as you're a part of the world's aether chain, into you as well.

HNMs and Raid level bosses releasing more anima than normal mob counterparts, restoring a bigger chunk of anima this way. Need some anima, tapped out, dont want to sit idle or run all over the place? Great. Help out some players to run a dungeon a few times to get your pool back up so you can go back on your way, get some loot while you're at it!

Or, and this is one that I've actually wanted to see for awhile, an Overkill type of effect. Only triggered within a party situation, but if you and your party happen to kill a monster in an extreme way, I mean just totally obliterate a poor funguar with more damage than it possibly needs to die. Immediatly in its place a similiar type of creature, with much more hp and stats spawns in its place seeking your throats.

The last idea that I have, though I dont see it really working in XIV, whereas it could possibly work in a Guildeve method is environmental population control. Say for instance you and your party kill too many squirrels, suddenely their population dwindles to the point of near non existance, in their place, dogs and such start to spawn. A stronger type of monster, not granting more exp than the squirrels themselves, but a challange still (to eliminate the possiblity of the chain just continuing endlessly in a single space). And after awhile, if the mutts are killed off, the squirrels start to repopulate the area as their numbers are able to raise again.

Of course, in certain areas, such as lvl50+ places where experience progression is currently halted, the idea of monster types gradually being depleted and replaced by a stronger more fierce creature in its place would likely work better, making the game challanging based on performance. After awhile of being idle it gradually resets itself automatically, bringing the monster level back to whatever the base type is for that area.

Pretty much all FF's have some form of "disappearing" effect, even in the early days.

FF6 boss shake/shatter - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG5ELlPZFGI#t=22m11s
FF7 mobs turn transparent red - bosses shake/turn red - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCBpr2utiPY#t=1m40s
etcetc

It's a pretty common signature for them to disolve into nothing. I am all for this, as long as it doesn't help push the release date back :P

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Originally Posted by Rau

I feel like this should be reserved onry for bosses.

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It doesn't have to be reserved for only bosses. Amount of aether release would naturally depend on the strength of the monster that gets defeated. Similar to defeating enemies in Ninja Gaeden, cept you dont collect the orbs.

To add to this, players should have it for their deaths too, except the aether should hover over the body and not disapear. It would make it easier to identify a random dead player in the field too.

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Originally Posted by Reika

It doesn't have to be reserved for only bosses. Amount of aether release would naturally depend on the strength of the monster that gets defeated. Similar to defeating enemies in Ninja Gaeden, cept you dont collect the orbs.

To add to this, players should have it for their deaths too, except the aether should hover over the body and not disapear. It would make it easier to identify a random dead player in the field too.

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i think it just would be annoying if this would be for regular monsters... seriously.

and i think the death animations that of Ifrit etc. are way enough of animation.


The mog king also has a nice death animation (dont know if you noticed that)...
i think its nice that every boss has its own death animation instead of a common death animation.

Moogle King Death Animation


what i think what is missing is a victory animation of all group members in the end of an instance or boss fight ^^ that'd be aussum :D

Victory Animation (maybe not as long as this)

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Originally Posted by Reika

It doesn't have to be reserved for only bosses. Amount of aether release would naturally depend on the strength of the monster that gets defeated. Similar to defeating enemies in Ninja Gaeden, cept you dont collect the orbs.

To add to this, players should have it for their deaths too, except the aether should hover over the body and not disapear. It would make it easier to identify a random dead player in the field too.

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That is an awesome idea! Could see a dead player far away as his essence is being held by his spirit. If you choose to warp home your essence is guided by your spirit through the aether streams and the aetheryte reconstructs your essence.

It is all very fitting. Also I agree to the amount of aether depending on strength of the monster - just like in FFX, and a lot of other FF having varying dispersions as others have pointed out.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

i think it just would be annoying if this would be for regular monsters... seriously.

and i think the death animations that of Ifrit etc. are way enough of animation.


The mog king also has a nice death animation (dont know if you noticed that)...
i think its nice that every boss has its own death animation instead of a common death animation.

Moogle King Death Animation


what i think what is missing is a victory animation of all group members in the end of an instance or boss fight ^^ that'd be aussum :D

Victory Animation (maybe not as long as this)

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I didnt say bosses dont have a death animation I just said that you can include this aether death animation to bosses. I also think Ifrit's death animation is pretty -meh-. Moogle king's is a bit cooler though I'll be honest and say I dont remember ever seeing it lol

Seriously, disagree it would be annoying on smaller monsters. I dont remember anyone complaining in FFX that monsters died into a few pyreflies.

I agree that victory animations would be cool :P - victory music and battle pose ~!
+1 for victory pose, but not to aether death being excluded to monsters.. :P lol

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Was thinking in Miasma weather zones like Mor Dhona (the evil mist / aetherish stuff) that when monsters die their aether effect is changed so their aether is trying to haunt you, and at a point will reform.. (or slowly burden your character with a stacking aether curse) could be cool when a whole zone has a Misama storm and then you have to be careful killing too many monsters as they wont disperse back into the aether. Can also make a boss mechanic where you want to be careful what you kill as it burdens your spirit with extra, corrupted aether.

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@Akujin:

There is no anima in 2.0.


However you could I guess show the monsters aether being collected into the player instead of dispersing. Though that will make players look kind of like monsters (eating the essence of monsters for power.. lol)

Could connect it to materia crafting, collecting monster aether from certain types, levels, and such. Would mean you can build materia faster from stronger monsters, though maybe the type options would be different.

But yeah, anima points are gone in 2.0, still you could do something with the aether death in terms of gameplay (besides lore and plot points).. Just have to becareful how evil we look lol

- SPOILER FF9 -

In 9 there was mist which was used as a power source, you find out that mist is from peoples souls unable to return to the planet because of the Lifa tree. So basically everyones engines are powered on their friends and families, their enemies and monsters being formed from this mist... Pretty dark, pretty awesome lol

Monsters dissipating into Aether? I suppose it's up to the lore people, but I like this idea. It's a very beautiful effect in FFX.

I agree, I loved the Pyreflies in X