Additional Jobs for the future, a graphic, need help.

I was bored today and came up with what I feel makes about 85% sense in my mind as to where additional jobs would go if added on to existing classes. I also added 2 new base classes. Ninja and Freelancer (not to be confused with Lancer)

Anyone else have any ideas where new classes and jobs would go?

I'm interested in making a master image of what makes sense, for my own boredom, and to perhaps help express our ideas to the devs as to which classes/job the community would like to see, and the progression of those classes/jobs.

This image currently has 2 tiers, but making a third made my brain hurt, so if you are like me, and would love a third tier, what/where would you add?

#1:
http://www.daevaofwar.net/uploads/ga...1_8_249720.jpg

#2 Revision:
Muskateer moved to class - Ranger takes its place.
Corsair job added to Muskateer class.
Rogue made class, Ninja moved to Job. Samurai removed for now.
http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/2...essionrev1.jpg

#3 Revision:
Added Gunner job to Muskateer:
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/385...essionrev3.jpg

#4 Revision:
Templar Job added to Lancer Class (Lance and Shield)
Dark Knight job moved to Gladitaor class (Switched with Berserker from Marauder)
Freelancer Class changed to Fencer Class
Parivir added as class.
Samurai added as job from Parivir.
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2...ressionrev.jpg

#5 Revision:
Shepherd class (DoL) added
Beastmaster Job moved to Shepherd
Scholar job moved to Arcanist Class
Necromancer takes its place as a Job from Thaum
Samurai Job moved to Lancer Class.
Removed Parivir for now.
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3...essionrev5.jpg


Feedback appreciated,

I will update the image as well.

Unfinished business:

Thoughts on SAM from LNC? (SAM has used Lances in past FF titles was my thinking)

What do you think of the Green mage, Scholar, Red mage and Blue mage placement?

I will be making a few more graphics after this one.

• 1 class to 1 job image.
• 3 tier (perhaps having to combine multiple jobs to get there) graphic.

I can't wait for the new job ideas, my RL friend with 3 dynamis relics refuses to jump ship until they add Ninja or Samurai :(

For the missing Lancer job, it could be "(Pole) Dancer".

I think musketeer going to be a class and then link with the job Corsair. Seeing how the Class have a guild and jobs just be unlock within that guild. It save to say that Musketter is a class and the job would be Corsair.

I think Archer would have Bard and Ranger jobs i know that ranger is pretty much the same thing as Bard in a way. But Ranger would focus only on AOE DMG and strong one single target dps while bard is all about buffs and support.

I would like to see ninja as a job instead of a class. Also i can't see a beastmaster coming from an arcanist if arc got carbuncle :p.

Also Muskeeter can be a class and Ranger and corsair the job.

So,

Rogue

Ninja - Thief


Samaurai elsewhere?

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Originally Posted by vax

I would like to see ninja as a job instead of a class. Also i can't see a beastmaster coming from an arcanist if arc got carbuncle :p.

Also Muskeeter can be a class and Ranger and corsair the job.

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If Muskateer is a class, ranger could come from Archer, Corsair can come from Muskateer?

Muskateer would need a second job.

what if it takes 2 sub classes to unlock a job.

I think musketeer is a class, and not a job too. who knows.

I would switch some things up.

Pilferer (Class) ---> Thief (Job)
---> Ninja (Job)

Ronin (Class) ---> Samurai (Job)
---> Parivir (Job)

Lancer (Class) ---> Dragoon (Job)
---> Yojimbo (Job)

Purple Mage (Class) ---> Red Mage (Job)
---> Blue Mage (Job)

Musketeer should be a class, but I agree with everything else. Looks fun.

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Originally Posted by vax

I would like to see ninja as a job instead of a class. Also i can't see a beastmaster coming from an arcanist if arc got carbuncle :p.

Also Muskeeter can be a class and Ranger and corsair the job.

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I think all the known FFXI jobs would be Jobs in FFXIV and have more modern or differnt outside from FF history names like how class have in FFXIV.

Muskeeter is a class seeing how there a guild for it and i don't see ranger being link with Muskeeter it make more sense that is link with Archer.

SE does not need to release a 2# Job to every class at the sametime they can do that little by little. I think yoshi-p said that himself about having ninja and samurai as a job instead of a class they just need to find a class to fit with them.

That got a lot of replies quickly...

Revision 1 is up.

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/2...essionrev1.jpg

Keep 'em comin'

Hmm... I know it's more Monk's thing, but could a Lancer move on to using something like a bowstaff? I wonder if that would be too big a change.

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Originally Posted by LlenCoram

Hmm... I know it's more Monk's thing, but could a Lancer move on to using something like a bowstaff? I wonder if that would be too big a change.

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"Stavesman" was actually in the dat files for FFXIV 1.0...

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...os/ffxiv_1.jpg

Ahh, this is true. I liked that sheet. Seemed ambitious.

Still, I'll be happy with just Musketeer once we get it.

Added Gunner (Job) to Muskateer class.

That makes sense I hope.

Samurai could be the second job out of Lancer, since it was a TP-gaining class.

I do feel that the job system would need a few tweaks if you were going with this new method, simply because not every job you've added would benefit from the class. In 1.0, it made sense, because THM was basically a BLM...they just got 5 additional skills.

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Originally Posted by LlenCoram

Hmm... I know it's more Monk's thing, but could a Lancer move on to using something like a bowstaff? I wonder if that would be too big a change.

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A monk-like melee staff user would be amazing. I always wished they would have separated melee oriented poles from mage oriented staves in XI as different weapon types, but yeah... Still, I think it'd be awesome.

I really, REALLY hope they do make a class based on that weapon later on. *-*

Hey dunno if you remember but I posted kinda an extensive document on this a while back. I've had to gut most of the information in preparation for ARR info but you'll be able to see my thoughts on classes per job.

Here is the document.

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

I was bored today and came up with what I feel makes about 85% sense in my mind as to where additional jobs would go if added on to existing classes. I also added 2 new base classes. Ninja and Freelancer (not to be confused with Lancer)

Anyone else have any ideas where new classes and jobs would go?

I'm interested in making a master image of what makes sense, for my own boredom, and to perhaps help express our ideas to the devs as to which classes/job the community would like to see, and the progression of those classes/jobs.

This image currently has 2 tiers, but making a third made my brain hurt, so if you are like me, and would love a third tier, what/where would you add?

#1:
http://www.daevaofwar.net/uploads/ga...1_8_249720.jpg

#2 Revision:
Muskateer moved to class - Ranger takes its place.
Corsair job added to Muskateer class.
http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/2...essionrev1.jpg

Feedback appreciated,

I will update the image as well.

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It is a bunch of neat ideas. It looks like however that SE is going to try to get a traditional as it gets when it comes to the system.

Some are neat ideas, but I don't see practicality in some unless done right. They all seem good in theory, and would have to see 2.0's new abilities to get a good idea. I would agree to most of this if they were altered or done right.

The Rogue > Thief = Ninja idea can be done with ease. It also relates to traditional job elements of the FF series. It could be that Thief focuses on DPS, and Ninja could be an evasion based tank that uses Ninpo to keep hate on enemies. Thief could utilize damage with applied affects to their weapons like poison and focus on abilities that require being behind an enemy or stealth.

I will go ahead and put both Gladiator and Marauder into the paragraph here. And I can't say if any of this could work till we see the abilities of both GLA and MRD in 2.0 (developers did say that each job would be reworked, if that means their concept or overall abilities is unknown). However, I think it would make sense to have Dark Knight over with Gladiator assuming that GLA gets more DPS oriented abilities, would give them a 2-handed sword that would work well in being opposite sword and shield. As for WAR, not only can it be a tank, but also a fully capable DPS. I can't say what could be MRD's second job, but if DRK was put in there and made it differ greatly from WAR, it could fit.

Green Mage would be very hard to implement (not impossible), but difficult. Green Mage would have to bring something to the table that WHM and BRD don't, because they are known as a buffing class also.

Your Bard = Ranger idea feels inevitable that it is going to happen. While BRD does pretty okay damage, it can fall behind on DPS when it needs to go focus on buffing or possibly back up healing. Ranger full DPS would be a force to reckon with.

For Musketeer, having an Engineer job would be neat. Perhaps make something similar to Edgar from FFVI where you utilize tools for the right situation against enemies.

I think Arcanist should be the class for Summoner and Necromancer job.

Beastmaster is not a DoM I think. SE might give them one hand axe weapons again.

edit: Whip would be nice.

Beastmaster should be a whip class.

In my opinion making comparison charts like this makes the class systems flaws shine even more.

Let's look at the Arcanist -> Beastmaster.

Why would a Beastmaster be summoning carbuncle? (Standard abillity of Arcanist) or any job for that matter that isn't related to summoner.

Making the super unique jobs such as beastmaster and Blue-mage are hamstringed by requiring a class to draw skills from that will generally be unrelated to the job itself.

The current Classes and jobs mix slightly better because all of the current classes are just wattered down versions of their job specialties, but Jobs like Bard are a shining example of how easy it is to make the job feel out of place to it's related class.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

In my opinion making comparison charts like this makes the class systems flaws shine even more.

Let's look at the Arcanist -> Beastmaster.

Why would a Beastmaster be summoning carbuncle? (Standard abillity of Arcanist) or any job for that matter that isn't related to summoner.

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That's the problem with the class>job system. Every single job we're gonna see is basically going to just be a class plus a few skills. I like the idea of one class branching off to multiple jobs, but realistically, we're probably going to get a 1:1 ratio on them.

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

What would be a class for the job Samurai?
What second Job would come from that class?
Lancer needs another Job.. Not sure what makes sense...

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1-2-3) Lancer could be the class for Samurai and so we take two birds with one stone

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Parivir

Parivir could work as Samurai's Class.

Edit:
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Templar_%28Job%29

Lancer is a hard one pretty much the only other job besides Dragoon known to use spears (swords as well in this case) is Templar from Tactic's advance and A2. Besides that like the user above me said Samurai could work as a spear user though i would be surprised if it ever happened.

I always thought a stavesman would be an ideal secondary job for lancer.

Like the Bo or Quarterstaff, and even those with blades on either end. Lightweight and used more in hasty close range blunt melee using martial arts, over the dragoon's distant stabbing.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

I always thought a stavesman would be an ideal secondary job for lancer.

Like the Bo or Quarterstaff, and even those with blades on either end. Lightweight and used more in hasty close range blunt melee using martial arts, over the dragoon's distant stabbing.

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If stavesman is a common ff job then yes if not then no it seem jobs would be taking the role of common Jobs in final fantasy history while Class would take more of normal job names like shaman and such.

Not if the 2 job link to a class take other role in name calling then that would make sense.

I don't really mind the system as it is, but would it be a good idea to changed it so it works like this?:

Each class has it's main job. Each class then gets a secondary job, in which it can be unlocked by having a certain class levelled up to a certain level.

Conjurer -> White Mage (Main job)

Archer -> Ranger (Main job)

(Primary) + (Secondary) = Secondary job
Archer + Conjurer -> Bard (Secondary job)

The aim of the secondary job would be to open up the role of the class. For example, the secondary job allows Archers to deviate from a damage dealing job to a support job.

Thus, main jobs would further extrapolate on the class intended for parties with more than 4 people, and the secondary job allowing for more freedom in terms of what role you can be in a party.

I guess an idea of how this could work with the classes and jobs given:

(Main jobs)

Gladiator -> Paladin - Tank
Marauder -> Warrior - DD/Tank
Lancer -> Dragoon - Melee DD
Pugilist -> Monk - Melee DD
Archer -> Ranger - Ranged DD
Arcanist -> Summoner - Debuffs/Caster DD
Conjurer -> White Mage - Healer
Thaumaturge -> Black Mage - Caster DD
Musketeer -> Corsair - Ranged DD/Support
___(1)___ -> Blue Mage - ??
___(2)___ -> Thief - Melee DD/Support?
___(3)___ -> Geomancer Support Caster?

(Secondary Jobs)

Gladiator + ___(2)___ -> Dark Knight - Melee DD/Tank?
Marauder + ___(1)___ -> Samurai - Melee DD
Lancer + Pugilist -> Puppet Master - ??
Pugilist + Musketeer -> Ninja - Melee Support/Tank
Archer + Conjurer -> Bard - Support/DD
Arcanist + ___(3)___ -> Time Mage - Support/Buffs/Minimal Caster DD
Conjurer + Thaumaturge -> Red Mage - Caster DD/Support
Thaumaturge + Arcanist -> Scholar - Buffs/Support/Caster DD
Musketeer + Gladiator -> ??? Tank Job?
___(1)___ + Lancer -> Beast Master - Off Tank
___(2)___ + Marauder -> ??? Support/Tank job?
___(3)___ + Archer -> Cannoneer - Ranged DD/Buffs/Debuffs


This is just an example :) I don't hold any particular beliefs as to what should be mixed with what.

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Originally Posted by VitoScaletta

I can't wait for the new job ideas, my RL friend with 3 dynamis relics refuses to jump ship until they add Ninja or Samurai :(

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i feel your pain as i'm in the same boat. good irl friend of mine refuses to play xiv until samurai hits. that being said, it's not like he's still playing xi anyway, but he's a bit of a sam-geek.

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

Feedback appreciated

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I'll start by saying I appreciate your efforts.

Not sure why Red Mage and Blue Mage are stemming from the same class. Seeing that Gladiators already have Scimitars, I'd base blue mage off of Strago from FFVI. Then you can have RDM stemming from Fencer without the need of Freelancer.

I'd switch Dark Knight and Berserker, so that DRK stems from GLA (who would get GSword access to accommodate that class), with Berserker being based off MRD (who would get to dual wield one-handed axes to accommodate that class)

Kudos on using the Musketeer image from Granado Espada. =P

Beastmaster I would base if off its own class. I've been cooking up an idea for BST, but its not quite there yet. I wanted to base it around a survivalist motif, with a little more emphasis on survivalist and overt reliance on pets for abilities (in other words, the pet dies = you can't use several of your abilities because they require your pet being alive).

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What would be a class for the job Samurai?
What second Job would come from that class?

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This is where it gets tricky. The concept of a samurai is so strict in terms of what can be done that it's really limited. I would make the class name Bushi (middle of the road katana-wielder), Samurai being a tank-oriented job stemming from it, and Ronin being a DPS-oriented job stemming from the same. Samurai would be strictly using two-hands in all of their skills while Ronin would use a katana with a wakizashi that is only drawn during certain skills/abilities/weaponskills.

I thought it would be pretty cool if the jobs could be developed and accessed using a job tree, much like this:

http://i451.photobucket.com/albums/q...s_wotl_job.png

HOW to arrange/design it is a bit beyond me, however. I was thinking of stuff like 5 mages (disincluding scholar or summoner), could be 5 points of a pentagram to unlock Sage in the center. Stuff like that.

For me:
Berzerker should be Dark Knight's class
Fencer should be Red Mage's class
Tamer should be Beast Master's class
Magus should be Blue Mage's class
Hunter should be Ranger's class
Mugger should be Thief's class
Assassin should be Ninja's class

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Originally Posted by Warlock

Mugler should be Thief's class

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A mugler?

Sounds like something J.K. Rowling would write about, lol.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

A mugler?

Sounds like something J.K. Rowling would write about, lol.

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I meant Mugger lol

To the Op i cant say i agree with all of your suggestions but i really enjoyed how well the presentation was handled. As for another lancer job i for one would really enjoy if the Templar of FFTA was implemented. The idea of a plate wearing pole-arm class able to debuff with weapon skills rather than magic would be a refreshing change.

As for Samurai with out adding another class my only suggestion would be to have it come from Gladiator, as Any Gladiatorial event would surely bring many different classes of fighters together. Mind you this leaves me in conflict with my personal feelings in regard to Dark Knight. As my favored FF class i have often felt many seem to play up the physical aspects of the job and seem to leave it's magic skills lacking. Truly when represented in FFIV, FFX-2, FFXI, and FFT the job was able to prove not only its strengths but also it's utility in many situations.

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

Lancer needs another Job.. Not sure what makes sense...

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Chocobo Knight?

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...nd8tl-IkJK7D9g

they gotta drop the one weapon a job or this will suck.

Personally I think a class should never turn into two job, but one job how it is now, main reason for this is lets say a rogue turns into a ninja and a thief job, basically once you get your rogue class to 50, your thief and ninja will automatically be 50 once you unlock them and do the 5 quests for abilities on a job.

It's a lot to process for SE doing the class into job method, personally I would scrap it on ARR and just have straight up jobs, but Yoshi did say he will be keeping class's and jobs for ARR.

Have not looked at all the class/jobs yet but for thief and ninja I would use.

Rogue class turns to Thief job.
Assassin class turns to Ninja job.

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Originally Posted by indira

they gotta drop the one weapon a job or this will suck.

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The alternative is to limit 1 job to 1 class, and they become prerequisites to more niched classes.

Pugilist (MNK) + Lancer (DRG) > Thief (NIN)