Battle Regimen, it was going to make a comeback, no?

I was hunting through my old videos and found the one I made on how to battle regimen;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R2c...r_eaw&index=59

I REALLY liked the system, it added a wonderful extra level to combat, making it more fun. Didn't the devs say it would make a comeback at some point?

Also, incapacitation on monsters, (taking off horns, breaking shells, breaking legs, disarming weapons) Was awesome. Will that be coming back? I loved those two systems, they made combat more than "spam actions till things die."

Here's to hoping they make a comeback.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...tleRegimen.png
Look at the effects you could do when used properly.



Edit: Battle Regimen has become the limit break system, confirmed by dev post.

Supposedly Limit breaks, at least from what i've gathered, no hard evidence, are what Battle Regimens became.

Battle Regimen, even if it was an original idea, was awful. You couldn't do anything during it, only wait for other people. I'd like it if it was more dynamic (Skillchain FFXI), where people can coordinate to increase damage or putting a debuff on the mob, without been stopped on the ground for minutes. I hope this is what "Fine Play" means. (It fills LB Gauge)

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Originally Posted by Enma

Battle Regimen, even if it was an original idea, was awful. You couldn't do anything during it, only wait for other people. I'd like it if it was more dynamic (Skillchain FFXI), where people can coordinate to increase damage or putting a debuff on the mob, without been stopped on the ground for minutes. I hope this is what "Fine Play" means. (It fills LB Gauge)

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Actually it was very useful once people figured out how it worked.

Yeah, Ispano may be right... could be what has now evolved into the Limit Break system (I hope)... guess we shall find out soon enough. I remember back in 2010 during initial release there was a lot of speculation on their effects and how to trigger them more often.

Speaking of which, it would also be wicked if (in addition to just Meteor?) they added Gigaflare to the list of limit break spells.

damn you make me miss the old battle system, yeh BG was the shit man i rememberd. if use it good, can kill things 2-3 times faster and game rite away. is beast for grinding SP on raptors back then.

hope something gets added, from the vids we have seen there is zero dynamicness as in no need to react to moves by stun, or moving or silencing mage mobs or what have you. quick boring kills where every mob is the same no matter what, do this, this and this and done. rather then all of them having different things you need to do to speed up the fight. though i did notice in the dungeon video mobs doing a move that looked like some kinda shield so maybe we will be able to remove there buffs and stuff ...but every class should have something. ffxi got boring when they made skill chains not as important. landing nukes and chaining stuff was fun. they should keep something like this in the game.

From what I understand, the limit break system and battle regimen system are two separate things, and yes it's supposed to be making a come back in 2.0. If it has indeed evolved into the limit break system, there has been no mention of it replacing battle regimen, therefore it makes me believe they are two separate things.

Only way to know for sure.....is to wait for beta.

That video looks boring as hell >_>

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Could you please explain about the limit break that was shown in the movie
Y: Limit break is a new party battle system that replaces battle regimen. Would like the party members to think and decide at who is going to use at what timing.

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So according to that, Limit Break is replacing Battle regimen.

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Originally Posted by Warlock

That video looks boring as hell >_>

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It was intended to be. People kept asking how to do it, I made it as simple as possible.

Quick battle regimen use, effective BR use, was amazing.

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Originally Posted by Kratos

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So according to that, Limit Break is replacing Battle regimen.

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Aha, ty good sir.

BR was horrible, yes it may have served a purpose but it was far too confusing for the average player.. regardless of what the l33ts think of it I never once ran into anyone in game who knew how to use it or even what it was.. limit breaks/skillchains are much easier to use and remember

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Originally Posted by Angelas

BR was horrible, yes it may have served a purpose but it was far too confusing for the average player.. regardless of what the l33ts think of it I never once ran into anyone in game who knew how to use it or even what it was.. limit breaks/skillchains are much easier to use and remember

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There were only 5 types of BR, and it was 3 clicks...
1) initiate BR,
2) pick the skill to use,
3)begin BR...

How is that "133t", or even remotely difficult?

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

It was intended to be. People kept asking how to do it, I made it as simple as possible.

Quick battle regimen use, effective BR use, was amazing.

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Ahh i see i remember watching videos about it before i started playing....and when i finally got to play i wondered where that event went lol

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Originally Posted by Kratos

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So according to that, Limit Break is replacing Battle regimen.

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Originally Posted by Angelas

BR was horrible, yes it may have served a purpose but it was far too confusing for the average player.. regardless of what the l33ts think of it I never once ran into anyone in game who knew how to use it or even what it was.. limit breaks/skillchains are much easier to use and remember

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if battle regimen was too complicated for the average player then my thinking of how intelligent the average player was just took a major hit. i gave them WAYYYYYYYYYYYY too much credit.

The main problem with battle regimen is it tied you up while you are waiting for other people to select their actions. It was mainly designed to be like skillchains except you pick all the actions in advance and have them all fired off in sequence automatically, but the fact that you couldn't actually do anything while you had a BR action queued up prevented it form being as useful and commonplace as it should have been.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

The main problem with battle regimen is it tied you up while you are waiting for other people to select their actions. It was mainly designed to be like skillchains except you pick all the actions in advance and have them all fired off in sequence automatically, but the fact that you couldn't actually do anything while you had a BR action queued up prevented it form being as useful and commonplace as it should have been.

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Had they allowed auto-attacks to continue while waiting for BR to go off, it would have been decent.

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

Had they allowed auto-attacks to continue while waiting for BR to go off, it would have been decent.

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i agree with you. all that was needed was to lock out whatever action was qued into the regimen while waiting on the rest to go in and it would have been fine for even a novice. the way it was worked great if you were with a group that was good at using it and there was hardly any time spent waiting unless you were using like a shadowseer cap that took a while to cast. there was more strategy in using a battle regimen with the old 15 man parties than it has been in anything else the game has had to offer.

i also completely agree with you about the incap moves and visual effects when you executed it properly. i know a friend of mine rydin along with myself have made multiple posts about how we missed the incap abilities and how we wish they would have made them more useful and common than what they were. the feeling when you knocked off the skele head for the shot at that rare eyepatch or breaking the horn off the buffalo or mosshorns were feelings that i'll hold as some of my favorite moments in the game. it was something that took planning and knowing what to do and they had rewards for doing so.

I liked Incap too. I was sad to see it go. I remember seeing somewhere that it'll be coming back, but not as a method of getting drops. More for things like finding a weak point and activating reaction skills. Or maybe I'm remembering a fun dream...

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

Had they allowed auto-attacks to continue while waiting for BR to go off, it would have been decent.

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Not trying to be a smartass because I genuinely forget the answer to this question:

Did we even have auto-attack before they removed BR?

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Originally Posted by Alerith

Not trying to be a smartass because I genuinely forget the answer to this question:

Did we even have auto-attack before they removed BR?

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Auto-attack was added in 1.18, Battle Regimens were removed in 1.19.

On topic:
As much as I liked Battle Regimens, I would not like to see their return in A Realm Reborn in the same fashion as before. They were incredibly powerful when utilized correctly, but it seemed like such a hassle to set them up. Even playing with good players, there was always something that happened to cause them to take forever to get off.

I'd like to see them added in a way similar to Final Fantasy XI, where it's time based (skillchains, aka waiting a few seconds after one skill is used), as opposed to having to set each skill and wait for everyone to do so on their end.

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Or have it turned into the Limit Break system, as stated below by Felis. I'm all for this!

Limit Break = new Battle Regimen

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Could you please explain about the limit break that was shown in the movie
Y: Limit break is a new party battle system that replaces battle regimen. Would like the party members to think and decide at who is going to use at what timing.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post789751

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Originally Posted by Enma

Battle Regimen, even if it was an original idea, was awful. You couldn't do anything during it, only wait for other people. I'd like it if it was more dynamic (Skillchain FFXI), where people can coordinate to increase damage or putting a debuff on the mob, without been stopped on the ground for minutes. I hope this is what "Fine Play" means. (It fills LB Gauge)

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Assuming everyone knew how to do them, there was almost no down time.

Yes all the people arguing against what I said.. Battle Reg was sooooo good they kept it.. oh wait..

I don't understand how the limit break will be the new battle regimen(skillchain) thing, it's for me, a totally different thing.

The Limit break will certainly cost a lot of MP/TP (if it's not all) Certainly a last resort ability at end of fight, (but not things to care all along the fight). Skillchain(battle regimen) were strategy and timing during the fight.

So if they delete skillchain and combos (yeah no more placement with combo, so the new combos is just a TPmove to click after another, no more a combo system for me). What we'll have to do during fights, just Spam???

devs said it will eventually make a comeback. I am not too eager at the BR since we get Limit Breaker, but breaking monster parts [yes, please]

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Originally Posted by GinTama

devs said it will eventually make a comeback. I am not too eager at the BR since we get Limit Breaker, but breaking monster parts [yes, please]

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I think it was Rukkirii who confirmed big monsters wont have just 1 targeting point but several to attack different parts of it and Incapacitation will be there

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Assuming everyone knew how to do them, there was almost no down time.

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Right, but it required communication to fire them off without losing actions- communication which could have made a skillchain in XI with comparatively less hassle.

Like I said, battle regimen was basically intended as a mechanisim to automate the skillchain concept from XI- it just failed miserably because for the average user, it cost more to use than it provided in benefits.

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Originally Posted by Angelas

Yes all the people arguing against what I said.. Battle Reg was sooooo good they kept it.. oh wait..

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I don't see anyone arguing about what you said. I see people indicating it required timing and decent coordination to be effective.

BR was cool. Yeah it sucked with ppl who didn't know what they were doing but a coordinated LS could own things using BR. Not that BR was around for much except Uraeus, Buffalo, Goblin and Dodore i think? lol. And they turned out to be a joke in the end anyway so who knows if BR would have been worth it at all in CC/AV/etc.

Chhyeaaaaaahhhhhhhhh~

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ps955386eb.jpg

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Originally Posted by Riv

BR was cool. Yeah it sucked with ppl who didn't know what they were doing but a coordinated LS could own things using BR. Not that BR was around for much except Uraeus, Buffalo, Goblin and Dodore i think? lol. And they turned out to be a joke in the end anyway so who knows if BR would have been worth it at all in CC/AV/etc.

Chhyeaaaaaahhhhhhhhh~

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ps955386eb.jpg

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Wow old school photo Riv, I remember that event ;)

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Originally Posted by Riv

BR was cool. Yeah it sucked with ppl who didn't know what they were doing but a coordinated LS could own things using BR. Not that BR was around for much except Uraeus, Buffalo, Goblin and Dodore i think? lol. And they turned out to be a joke in the end anyway so who knows if BR would have been worth it at all in CC/AV/etc.

Chhyeaaaaaahhhhhhhhh~

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ps955386eb.jpg

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aaaah, the good ol' days, i do hope limit break has a "variety" and not just everyone call a meteor animation lol

I...actually never even touched it when it was around.

Didn't even know it was a thing.

Finally, a worthy post about improving upon the battle system! And yes Gramul, it can be a BIG thing if exploited (I hate you missed out). This is something I hope the Devs really consider improving upon past just adding Limit Breaks. Skill chain with magic burst from FFXI and battle regimen from 1.0 spiced up parties while increasing interest/skill/rewards/damage/drops/experience/speed/FUN to improve the game and group interaction. I personally feel like this is a missing element in the foundations of FFXIV. Improving the battle system in any way should be top priority since everything in the game for all adventuring classes has do with rinse and repeat philosophy of battle constantly a thousand times over to progress further within in any way. Yes, new mobs and strategies to conquer the mob/environment are great but adding more range than using personal job combos and these strategies would make it top notch! Anyone who has played FFXI & FFXIV has to be aware of grinding mobs or leve's to level... It was/is very mundane and boring after 100k kills! We need more of a parting gift than a butchers crown darn it...**Insert witty remark from Warlock** Enrich the battle system above all please and loose the skill/button spam concept. When players are doing the same thing for especially experience over and over from level 1 to ... it is very noticeable.

Reinheart brought the climbing topic from the Japanese forums with his own ideas and gathered collective thoughts of others which was a great concept. I hope this topic makes it back to other forums in the same way to catch some more attention. I know the french forums are littered with language barrier complaints and could use advocates that are multilingual. Maybe, ... just maybe we might be able to drum up inspiration for an improved battle system that no MMO has ever come close to mastering. Imagine solo and group battles that are not like they ever have been before to improve upon the building blocks of a maybe not so repetitive way to play. I do have to say the Final Fantasy MMORPG's do make a valiant effort to create intricate scenarios and we all do take notice. Thank you SE for all the past effort to enrich these aspects!

Example: Mobs recognize repetition to react a certain way. Drops are effected by certain party combinations/skills. Battle strategy not limited to hack slash/magic but maybe more elements. Weapons are tailored for specific mobs or skill combos. A certain damage percent must be reached by all party members to obtain a certain result. Maybe make use of jump or mounts within the battle system. An out of the box/hamlet type idea would be to create craft combos/skill chain/regimen playing off cross class elements to create master devices within an environment that can be built into adventuring class parties; such as adventure class uses a distract maneuver while restraints are gathered & crafted. There are also many Manga scenarios, or Keisuna illustrations lol, I would like to see weaved into ARR to make it more unique and not like any other MMO. **Off topic, Maybe some sort of HipposLab developed 2.0 ARR game application for our smartphones.** Anyone else have ideas and not afraid to give up free intellectual property!?!

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Originally Posted by Mitty_Tsuyoi

aaaah, the good ol' days, i do hope limit break has a "variety" and not just everyone call a meteor animation lol

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Only in a BLM burn party ^^

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Originally Posted by Felis

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Originally Posted by Mitty_Tsuyoi

aaaah, the good ol' days, i do hope limit break has a "variety" and not just everyone call a meteor animation lol

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Only in a BLM burn party ^^

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I'm excited and intrigued by the variety of limit breaks we will hopefully and their effects on the battle. A high damage attack is all well and good, but I'd like to see LBs that can turn the battle tides in interesting ways.

I always liked the idea behind the Battle Regimens but it wasn't implemented well enough for most to use it effectively. If this system is replacing it, it should carry a similar weight and feel, but be easier to execute without cutting into normal DPS/game play too much. Otherwise, unless it has super effects, it will probably end up going the same way as SCs/MBs in XI.

agree or disagree on me on this, but what if mobs has "stagger" like in final fantasy 13, where after a certain amount of combo the damage output during the stagger state is doubled/trippled. of course, knowledge of the enemy is also required in order to fill up the stagger bar.

but, like dr. mog said in the post, i do enjoyed the idea of incaps myself, but since combo as been implemented, i would like to see a more advance debuffs like what we see in "blood letter" comboed and un comboed when Limit Break ( Battle Regimen ) is implemented.

I miss Light and Dark chains in FFXI especially solo on my SAM.