Do you guys think that there will be enough quests to go around?
I mean, leveling all of you DoW/M in quest lines, taking you from area to area like in certain other popular MMORPGS?
There's still leves I know, but I don't think you start with your allowance at 99, and if you have already leveled 1 job in Gridania, Ul'dah and Limsa are you then forced to do leves?
Sorry if this has been brought up before - couldn't find it anywhere.
Just worried, that's all.
Leveling with Quests in 2.0?!
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12-16-2012, 06:12 AMAmberleeLeveling with Quests in 2.0?!
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12-16-2012, 06:18 AMElexia
There will be enough quests since judging by other MMOs that uses it for it's primary function, you'll mainly get quests like:
Kill 5 (small animal)
Kill 5 (small animal) 3 (not so small animal) 2 (insert humanoid type) 1 (boss type)
Kill 5 (bigger animal)
Kill 5 (even bigger animal)
Collect 1-5 (insert sparkling item near NPC)
Talk to (NPC) > (NPC) > (NPC)
Investigate (area) > fight (monster)
Kill 1 (insert sub boss) > (Kill 1 insert boss)
Deliver (Item) to NPC.
Those will loop infinitely, so they can make a large quantity of quests to last you for a very long time. So yeah it will take you from area to area and rinse and repeat the same style quests over and over while sprinkling in a dungeon here and there, that's what they're going for. They say you can do "a mix of things to level" but the primary, a.k.a main and efficient way to level is doing that.
Throw in the one time main storyline, and that's pretty much the level progression. The only true fear would be if they make the game "start" at end-game like MMOs nowadays which means the quality of progression from start to then may be very low. -
12-16-2012, 06:21 AMDannythm
I'm pretty sure there will be enough quests for:
Start 3 jobs and rise them up to lvl ~30 just with the quests and instances around each of the 3 cities.
Get at least 1 job to 50 if not more.
Get to know the world and maps by wandering looking for more quests.
And by the time you are done with quests you will have 99 levequests for sure, and all the Gathering and Crafting quests at your disposal.
Also I've proposed a scaling quest system in this thread you my find interesting. -
12-16-2012, 06:25 AMInaaca
Yoshi addressed this question a while back, saying that there will be enough quests at launch to level a class from 1-50 and still have a lot of quests leftover. He also pointed out though that levelling will occur not just through quests, but also through dungeons, leves, story missions, real time events (FATE), etc.
So there will will be plenty of quests, but there are also more ways to level than just quests. -
12-16-2012, 06:27 AMFiron
You will be able to level from a lot of things and i bet grinding mobs will still be good someone will find a way.
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12-16-2012, 06:29 AMFelisAdd escort quests, loot quests and emote quests and you described all quests we have in 1.x already (from the first story quest to the last gc quest).Quote:
Originally Posted by Elexia
Why do everyone forget dungeons and FATE? And I'm sure normal monsters give still exp. Sure, normal grind party wouldn't be fast like Natalan anymore, but it was too fast anyway. -
12-16-2012, 06:38 AMWarlockIs convenient for them to forget ...people obsessed with endless killing the same mob for hours at one spot.. i think they mad because you wont be able to multi-task with 2.0's exping systems ....spiritbonds in 1.0 let you be almost full afk ..lol..i really can't wait to try out leveling in 2.0 i left 1 job at lvl1 on purpose to experience it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Felis
for those wanting grinding ,dungeons will be packed with mobs and they will be level synced and be x3 bigger than the largest dungeon in 1.0 ...that's a lot of stuff to kill through :D -
12-16-2012, 06:57 AMElexiaNo one forgets about dungeons and 'FATE':Quote:
Originally Posted by Felis
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...sts-and-Combat
Straight from SE themselves. This is the primary means of level progression which means when you talk about the direction they're taking, it's quest based unless they decide to change their minds between beta and launch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Triairy
Other stuff exists, but they're designing quest chaining as the meat. -
12-16-2012, 07:00 AMFironYou sure he is not just referring to alpha because being able to lvl in raids, quest, fate, leves, and choco escorts just does not sound only quest based.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elexia
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12-16-2012, 07:00 AMDannythmFor the first 1 or 2 jobs, or else everyone will get bored fast leveling the 3+ jobs on a completely different manner, I hope Yoshi has been smart enough to take this into account in the overall design.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elexia
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12-16-2012, 07:03 AMElexiaPretty sure yoshida said in ARR (not just alpha) the main level progression is quest based. Primary doesn't mean only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firon
Hopefully, because that is the main problem with quest based level progression lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dannythm
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12-16-2012, 07:06 AMFironSo grinding mobs in the same area's over and over again is not boring as well? Anyway OP in 2.0 you can choose to lvl in raids all day if you wish or doing leves and other things. If you had no prob lvling in 1.0 with leves, you accepting quest for xp wont be any different except this time they will have some stories to go with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elexia
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12-16-2012, 07:13 AMWarlockhttp://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/31950188.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Elexia
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12-16-2012, 07:47 AMZumi
You are forgetting guild leves, mob grinding and dungeon exp are still in the game and still give you exp.
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12-16-2012, 07:59 AMindira
they should turn leves into full blown fields of valor.
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12-16-2012, 09:00 AMSeirra_Lanzce
True, Quest-based leveling is the main leveling, but they are including alternative leveling such as the F.A.T.E, Dungeon runs.
(escort and hamlet falls under F.A.T.E) -
12-16-2012, 11:36 AMEnmaThere are some critical aspects of Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn different from other games. First of all you can have different classes, this makes surely difficult (maybe impossible) have enough quests for all of them (Disciples of War, Disciples of Magic, Disciples of Hand, Diciples of Land, plus future classes). What I can say for sure is that you will can make experience points as you wish. Maybe with some limitations, but you are free to choose the best way of getting experience as you like, and I'm glad of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amberlee
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12-16-2012, 11:57 AMZakarnRosewood
DOOOOOM GLOOOOM!!! Oh noes!
Player one: We needs moar questz!
Player two: Questz r DUMB and 4 n00bs, only HardcOr grinz for mie!
Player three: Umm, can't we have both? If I want quests i'll do them, if I want to grind in a party i can do that too? Or is something stopping me?
Player one and two: STFU! U R stifling my right of free speech! You cant do both, its IMPOSIBRU!
EDIT: Sorry, i didnt think this was a serious conversation so i thought i would have a little fun :) -
12-16-2012, 12:05 PMKlefth
I just hope they don't make solo questing that much better to the point where exp parties are made pointless. I know this happens in some other games out there which focus on questing and where you only see parties at an "end-game" that is not so much the "end" as it is the beginning of the actual game...
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12-16-2012, 12:14 PMXatsh
Quest are 100% fine. As long as the whole leveling process is not SOLO! that is the #1 issue in all western mmos atm. Outside raids/dungeons everything is solo based. Instance grouping is NOT ENOUGH.
The only problem with quest leveling in most mmos is it is pure solo based, which is stupid. Make them soloable, make them give a bonus for completing with groups.
I think a game with a good group questing option as well as a solo one would be a huge win. -
12-16-2012, 12:16 PMChardrizard
Quest based can be dungeon runs, in GW2 alot of people level through dungeon because finishing a hardmode gains you 80% of current level while gaining shitton of money and tokens for endgame gear. Solo players will be doing quest-chains or FATE, people that prefers teamwork will do dungeons quests.
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12-16-2012, 12:40 PMKlefth
Grouping up shouldn't even be just an option for doing stuff. Remember the MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER part on MMO, anyone? It's kind of ironic really that they keep trying to make this sort of games more and more solo friendly. What's the point of making it a massive online game then? Just so you can show off your gear in a town or something?
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12-16-2012, 01:01 PMWynnAll massive multiplayer means is a large game with lots of players all in the same persistent world. It has absolutely nothing to do with grouping.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klefth
Besides, if grouping up is really what most people want to do then you should have nothing to worry about since everyone will do it in spite of other options, right? Or perhaps you are suggesting SE should force people to do something they may not enjoy... in a game... that is meant to be enjoyed.
Here's a novel idea: play the way you like and worry less about how other people enjoy their free time. -
12-16-2012, 01:42 PMNaraku_Diabolos
I'm also pretty sure that some quests will be repeatable like in FFXI such as some gathering quests (like in San d'Oria where you could turn in rabbit pelts, if I remember correctly) or battle quests besides Leves.
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12-16-2012, 02:46 PMAlexNiculaie
Considering that dungeons are not soloable, I am pretty sure people will still be grouping up.
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12-16-2012, 02:53 PMZumiThe leveling process isn't 100% solo most western MMOs do have dungeons, for all level ranges up to level cap. You can queue up for them and it puts you in a group with people of similar level. The devs said ARR will have leveling dungeons for people to run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xatsh
This essentially is group exp. On top of that its more fun the grindly exp parties where you stay in 1 spot kill the same mobs over and over. Instead you get to navigate through the dungeon killing the mobs along the way for exp. You get some social interaction of playing with other people. -
12-17-2012, 01:29 AMWarlockIdk about you but for the 5/7 i got to 50 before last save i lvled them 90% solo with leves cuz none is up for exp parties..Quote:
Originally Posted by Klefth
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12-17-2012, 03:03 AMInaacaWow, really? 45 levels out of 50 was soloing leves for you? :\ That must have been incredibly tedious.. You should really try playing with other players more, its much less lonely and you can mix it up a bit. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlock
For the classes I got to 50 I would party up with 1 or 2 of my friends to fight mobs or do leves together for approximately levels 1-25. Then for levels 25+ I would start doing exp parties in various areas, which was certainly a lot faster than grinding the same leves over and over and it allowed for changes in scenery. -
12-17-2012, 03:09 AMFironWhat? Everything looks the same in this game <.<Quote:
Originally Posted by Inaaca
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12-17-2012, 03:24 AMInaacaUm, what? lol I know there's a lot of copy/paste and that was one of the big issues with the game, but you can't convince me that Ever Lakes, Emerald Moss, Copperbell Mines, and Brittlebark all looked the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firon
What was nice about exp groups is that it allowed you to stray away from the aetherytes and try other places, while leves always kept you in the same small aetheryte locations. Scenery between two different locations in the same region may have been minor, but it was better than nothing and you were free to wander. :) -
12-17-2012, 03:34 AMFironI walked every inch of this game and only like 2-3 places stood out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inaaca
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12-17-2012, 03:42 AMInaacaWell, you're free to your opinion, but you're missing the point of my original post anyways, which was playing with other people as opposed to grinding solo. This really doesn't need to be an argument, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firon