Alpha Video 6 - Crafting and Gathering~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-v8WeZX4QQ&feature=plcp

Enjoy~

WHY

THERE IS ALREADY A THREAD FOR THIS FROM THE OFFICIAL DEV. WHAT IS WITH THE DUPLICATE POSTS

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Originally Posted by Vilhem

WHY

THERE IS ALREADY A THREAD FOR THIS FROM THE OFFICIAL DEV. WHAT IS WITH THE DUPLICATE POSTS

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some posters usually check general forum first, no need to be a dick for this.

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Originally Posted by Vilhem

WHY

THERE IS ALREADY A THREAD FOR THIS FROM THE OFFICIAL DEV. WHAT IS WITH THE DUPLICATE POSTS

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Lmao I litterally thought the same thing. I saw the original, read and responded, and jumped into general discussion just to see how fast this second one was made. Both its creation and first response is priceless. FFXIV forums and its best people

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Originally Posted by Aion

some posters usually check general forum first, no need to be a dick for this.

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I wouldn't be except it happens..EVERY..SINGLE...TIME...

Usually, that's what the "New Posts" at the top is for...to see..y'know...all the newest posts in every section. *ahem*

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Originally Posted by Aion

some posters usually check general forum first, no need to be a dick for this.

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Yeah... i really need to check that page... Maybe one day ... i'll actually get around to it.
Meanwhile i don't find out about this video without this topic, so thanks.

Thanks for the video. hmmmmm. quite interesting. I'm so used to the old ways that i can feel myself not wanting the change but im sure i could get used to this eventually too. Although a couple of things that came to mind when watching this were:

For Dol,
How would you differentiate between grade spots?. THe ability was to locate nearest gather spot nd locate nearest spot of highest grade. what if ur a lvl 50 and looking for a grade 4.

For Doh,
I;m simply heartbroken at seeing the huge change but i suppose it's for the best. I did notice that it looked like the player had his own recipes to choose from. Wondering if this means we would be able to look up recipes in game and not have to outsource constantly from mooglebox nd the like. Also wondering if all those recipes might just have been the awarded recipes from leves.

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Originally Posted by debola

Thanks for the video. hmmmmm. quite interesting. I'm so used to the old ways that i can feel myself not wanting the change but im sure i could get used to this eventually too. Although a couple of things that came to mind when watching this were:

For Dol,
How would you differentiate between grade spots?. THe ability was to locate nearest gather spot nd locate nearest spot of highest grade. what if ur a lvl 50 and looking for a grade 4.

For Doh,
I;m simply heartbroken at seeing the huge change but i suppose it's for the best. I did notice that it looked like the player had his own recipes to choose from. Wondering if this means we would be able to look up recipes in game and not have to outsource constantly from mooglebox nd the like. Also wondering if all those recipes might just have been the awarded recipes from leves.

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I'm 100% positive that node levels will be broken down by area level. The stuff in the video was level 5~10 in the Black Shroud, which has level 5 monsters running around, as seen in the video. If you want to get, say, level 40 nodes, you'll go to the level 40~ zone. 1.0 had this, I don't see why it would drastically change in A Realm Reborn.

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Originally Posted by debola

For Doh,
I;m simply heartbroken at seeing the huge change but i suppose it's for the best. I did notice that it looked like the player had his own recipes to choose from. Wondering if this means we would be able to look up recipes in game and not have to outsource constantly from mooglebox nd the like. Also wondering if all those recipes might just have been the awarded recipes from leves.

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There is a translation about this in the japanese>english translation thread.
Recipes can be learn through level up, leves and quests.

edit: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post567971

looks like crafting still sucks, atleast theres a recipe book now.

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Originally Posted by indira

looks like crafting still sucks, atleast theres a recipe book now.

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the hell are you talking about crafting looks awesome!

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Originally Posted by Cedri

the hell are you talking about crafting looks awesome!

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For some people it sucks if you need to push more than 1 button to craft.
But I love the new crafting in this video.
Now all what I need is an alpha invite to test it myself.

Crafting rocked in that video! And the gathering looked even better! Awesome sauce!

Neat, looks like they made crafting less of a pain!

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Originally Posted by Vilhem

WHY

THERE IS ALREADY A THREAD FOR THIS FROM THE OFFICIAL DEV. WHAT IS WITH THE DUPLICATE POSTS

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Some people just have to be "the one" to post something.... even if it's already been posted.

why do people always make other topic about it when they know the dev team make one for us.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...g-and-Crafting

Most people don't check the other forums, and would never know the post was made. Seriously childish to get bent out of shape over someone posting about it in this forum, especially when no-one bitches about people doing the same with patch notes, or letters from the producers.

It's like some people in this forum aren't content unless they are complaining about something.

well i never going to love crafting.. so.. its the same for me.

what a pitty that we havent seen a video of a dungeon instance or even Fate or what so ever.

Well at least it seems worthwhile being a gatherer now, I'll leave the crafting to those who enjoy it and have lots of time on their hands.
Any changes to fishing?

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Originally Posted by Thebard

Well at least it seems worthwhile being a gatherer now, I'll leave the crafting to those who enjoy it and have lots of time on their hands.
Any changes to fishing?

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Yeah, the last Live Letter said Fishing is changing quite a bit. I'd like for them to show it, because I enjoyed fishing...sorta...

Of course it's changed. Now i mine for fish

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

Yeah, the last Live Letter said Fishing is changing quite a bit. I'd like for them to show it, because I enjoyed fishing...sorta...

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I heard this is fishing in ARR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg5capd2fmQ

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Originally Posted by AlexNiculaie

Most people don't check the other forums, and would never know the post was made. Seriously childish to get bent out of shape over someone posting about it in this forum, especially when no-one bitches about people doing the same with patch notes, or letters from the producers.

It's like some people in this forum aren't content unless they are complaining about something.

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not really bitching it just getting to the point that it's dumb we see over 2-5+ topic about the same thing everyone should know by now that the dev make there own topic about the stuff they post.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

I heard this is fishing in ARR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg5capd2fmQ

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But with a carbuncle I guess?

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Originally Posted by Delsus

I heard this is fishing in ARR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg5capd2fmQ

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Man, ARR has AWFUL GRAPHICS!

It looks as both crafting and gathering are both easier/more reliable now.

DoL having the option to target what they want is a big change. This benefits those who are gathering for crafting (get exactly what you need), it benefits those who are gathering for the purpose of selling in the markets (they can target the most profitable item) -- AND it benefits those who purchase the goods (if something becomes popular, then it will be directly harvested more and the price will drop - stronger supply and demand forces)

DoH changes are also quite nice. The 'Quality' value looks as though it is currently tied to the level of the recipe vs your own level. This makes obtaining HQ results on lower recipes a bit easier, and it looks as though you can get a slight HQ chance even with no quality at all. The addition of a 'quality' value also allows the devs to create special recipes that have steeper HQ requirements, or none at all. There is a lot of future flexibility in this system.

Something else:

Anyone notice that all the Carpenter abilities have 'Requires: CRP' in their description? At first, I was concerned that cross-class DoH abilities might be going away, but then I noticed that recipes, skills, etc.. all seem to be written just for the limited amount of classes available in the Alpha. I expect it will be back in the beta.

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Originally Posted by debola

Thanks for the video. hmmmmm. quite interesting. I'm so used to the old ways that i can feel myself not wanting the change but im sure i could get used to this eventually too. Although a couple of things that came to mind when watching this were:

For Dol,
How would you differentiate between grade spots?. THe ability was to locate nearest gather spot nd locate nearest spot of highest grade. what if ur a lvl 50 and looking for a grade 4.

For Doh,
I;m simply heartbroken at seeing the huge change but i suppose it's for the best. I did notice that it looked like the player had his own recipes to choose from. Wondering if this means we would be able to look up recipes in game and not have to outsource constantly from mooglebox nd the like. Also wondering if all those recipes might just have been the awarded recipes from leves.

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I dont think the gathering points are going to be broken up by grade anymore, but by level instead.

And with DoH, I think you will just gain the recipes automatically as you level, so yea, no more need to go to mooglebox for recipes. :o

Mooglebox would still be good to compare the stats of different gears

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

Of course it's changed. Now i mine for fish

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http://kcbastards.com/site/wp-conten...1/10/bison.jpg

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

Of course it's changed. Now i mine for fish

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<--Gives Yukikaze a ball of yarn and a high-five :D

This made me lmao XD

button mashing is button mashing. 1 button or 10 dont matter you still sit there pushing buttons watching a bar grow.

gathering looks the same too, just everything is visual you see what your aiming for now not watching text only.

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Originally Posted by Antanias

<--Gives Yukikaze a ball of yarn and a high-five :D

This made me lmao XD

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Careful with that yarn man. There's going to be a shortage in ARR...

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Originally Posted by indira

button mashing is button mashing. 1 button or 10 dont matter you still sit there pushing buttons watching a bar grow.

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Are you sure you like games, Indira?
I mean, sans the very latest of gaming technology, games have always been about button mashing like that

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Originally Posted by Skies

Are you sure you like games, Indira?
I mean, sans the very latest of gaming technology, games have always been about button mashing like that

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How dare you there was no button mashing in pong......

This actually makes me want to craft and gather.

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Originally Posted by indira

button mashing is button mashing. 1 button or 10 dont matter you still sit there pushing buttons watching a bar grow.

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Umh no. Button mashing describes the repeated and *random* pressing of buttons to achieve a result.

From the videos it's rather obvious that there's no randomness involved.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

It looks as both crafting and gathering are both easier/more reliable now.

DoL having the option to target what they want is a big change. This benefits those who are gathering for crafting (get exactly what you need), it benefits those who are gathering for the purpose of selling in the markets (they can target the most profitable item) -- AND it benefits those who purchase the goods (if something becomes popular, then it will be directly harvested more and the price will drop - stronger supply and demand forces)

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There seems to be a whole lot of people who benefit from 'looting' these trees that SE has laid to waste for our convenience. Are there any drawbacks to such a "system"?

DoL having the option to target what they want is not a big change. You had the option to do so in 1.0. The big change is making it as easy and simple as possible, just click what you want and you're done. What does this mean? It means that more people will gather effectively, lessening any profit from it. Even people who have almost no interest in it can jump in and go at maximum efficiency as there is no system in place. This is bad for people looking to profit from gathering, not good.

If you're gathering to craft, are you crafting to gain EXP or gil? If it's gil, the fact that a higher % of people are gathering more effectively is going to hurt your gains. If it's EXP.. Leves had often become a faster way to do it, and we know quests will be a significant way to level in ARR.

So what are we in favor of exactly? Perhaps speeding up a fragment of DoH EXP, something that is already designed to be very fast.. At the expense of a more complex and robust gathering system and overall economy? I say more complex - that doesn't mean complex, just moreso than the most simple way imaginable to keep gathering in the game at all.

And nevermind the obvious that this kind of loot-gathering requires less sophisticated botting - that'd just be piling on.

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Originally Posted by Coyohma

Even people who have almost no interest in it can jump in and go at maximum efficiency as there is no system in place. This is bad for people looking to profit from gathering, not good..

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Not necessarily. it just means that profit won't be based on luck, but on a time-based constant. It's the same. It just removes the element of randomness.

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Originally Posted by Lirion

This actually makes me want to craft and gather.

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Same here!

I think SE is on the right track as far as crafting. The monotony of the mini game is replaced with a system that allows you to choose your own reward, the crafting system itself seems a bit more fast paced, and I love the look of the UI system! It's a well-crafted system.

Haha, "well-crafted". I made a funny!

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Screw you guys, I'm funny.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Not necessarily. it just means that profit won't be based on luck, but on a time-based constant. It's the same. It just removes the element of randomness.

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Gathering in 1.0 wasn't luck, it was probability -just as this video shows its percentages.

What do you think changed in 1.0 when you changed the level (bar) at which you were gathering?