You complain about FFXIV grass? Skyrim has better! :(

http://kotaku.com/5961994/what-skyri...0-mods-at-once

Honestly, I think that when and if the development team gets around to a DirectX 11 (11.1) patch in the future, ARR will possibly look just as good. I believe so, but jeebus, look at the grass on that Skyrim with 100 mods. Could ARR look like that in the future? O_O

inb4 locked.

The grass in skyrim is edible, and gives buffs. Only the Ultima series matched such quality.

not again...

If that screenshot wasn't enhanced in anyway possible, jesus..

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Originally Posted by Rau

inb4 locked.

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I'm actually pointing out that everyone complains about one aspect of the current games. Plus I want to show off that if ARR wants to be good, the devs have to look at other ways to compete with what's out there, which they are doing. I just wish I could've made version 1.0 look that good on my GeForce 555M GT, I just chose my laptop for affordability at the time (I didn't have enough money; plus I have the lower-end i7 processor). The next laptop I get will be a true gaming one, and I will have enough money by then :)

Btw, good Pokémon reference for your Location :D +1

who cares? skyrim isnt an MMO

other part, they were user made mods to change and enhance the textures. Not developer made vanilla grass or textures. So this is pointless, you are comparing something made post by mods that btw as mentioned kills fps to near unplayable if used all at once. If they wanted to make a game that would kill your gfx card they could, like they did with 1.0 but realizing that it was not economical for most users companies have basic textures. The user's modified it to be high texture with a hit to fps.

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Originally Posted by Xmbei

other part, they were user made mods to change and enhance the textures. Not developer made vanilla grass or textures. So this is pointless, you are comparing something made post by mods that btw as mentioned kills fps to near unplayable if used all at once. If they wanted to make a game that would kill your gfx card they could, like they did with 1.0 but realizing that it was not economical for most users companies have basic textures. The user's modified it to be high texture with a hit to fps.

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Yeah, you are right about that. The good thing is that with the new graphics engine ARR is sporting, we will get good graphics while not having a hit on FPS. The main reason I made this thread is about the artistic quality. I know that this is user-created mods for a game and it's not the game's built-in engine. I get that. I'm just hoping that when and if the DirectX 11 patch comes, will ARR be something like those screenshots without taking a hit on FPS? Or am I expecting too much right now? :(

It might look better texture. I agree the engine will perform fine. Just dont expect that kind of grass because i believe they are almost all individually drawn

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Originally Posted by Naraku_Diabolos

I'm just hoping that when and if the DirectX 11 patch comes, will ARR be something like those screenshots without taking a hit on FPS? Or am I expecting too much right now? :(

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You would be correct.

Fact of the matter is, even a 'supposedly low-spec graphics' game like Minecraft takes a hit in FPS once mods are put in to make grass look better. And like someone mentioned earlier, not everyone owns a killer PC to make such things run smoothly.

If I had to sacrifice minor aesthetics for performance, it's a trade I'll gladly perform.

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

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Its not that bad lol I've got my skyrim running like that. It takes freaking forever to set up and there are some incompatibilities /faults in skyrim programming that cause it to crash every now and then though lol.

And Yes Skyrim grass is awesome - I've only modeled crappy 2d grass so I have no idea how long it would take but I wish SE would make a PC "flora to break your computer" mode for those whose computers where made recently.

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Originally Posted by Stanislaw

You would be correct.

Fact of the matter is, even a 'supposedly low-spec graphics' game like Minecraft takes a hit in FPS once mods are put in to make grass look better. And like someone mentioned earlier, not everyone owns a killer PC to make such things run smoothly.

If I had to sacrifice minor aesthetics for performance, it's a trade I'll gladly perform.

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Minecraft has other reasons why it plays slow - grass is cake processing compared to the cubes lol. Its really not low spec even though it looks low spec.

(Though if your computer is powerful enough it wont matter any which way, it just may feel weird when you have an ok computer and minecraft makes it lag :P)

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

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How's that different from normal?

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Minecraft has other reasons why it plays slow - grass is cake processing compared to the cubes lol.

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You're kinda missing the point, but nevermind.

The only real solution to all this would be to make FFXIV graphics moddable, but being an MMO I highly doubt this would be possible on a greater scale and thus user-created changes will be limited through the use of (officially illegal) .dat editing.

That skyrim with 100 mods looks fantastic :D If ARR could have that in the future, i will quit, as i don't have enough money to purchase a very out of this world high end pc :P

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Originally Posted by Stanislaw

You're kinda missing the point, but nevermind.

The only real solution to all this would be to make FFXIV graphics moddable, being an MMO I highly doubt this would be possible on a greater scale and user-changes will be limited through the use of (officially illegal) .dat editing,

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I'm not sure I agree with the point :P

SE claims to have the best looking MMO. Dont half ass the best looking lol

Make a sucky grass model for eh computers but there are a lot of computers out there that can handle much more then what even SE handed out in FFXIV 1.0.

Things like flora decals and density are often sliders in games - I see no reason why they cant do that now

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I'm not sure I agree with the point :P

SE claims to have the best looking MMO. Dont half ass the best looking lol

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Best looking does not necessarily mean it has to have the best graphics in all categories. We already all know that the renders are of lower quality in ARR compared to legacy, but the lighting/shadows more than makes up for it to make it a much better looking game graphically speaking.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Make a sucky grass model for eh computers but there are a lot of computers out there that can handle much more then what even SE handed out in FFXIV 1.0.

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So what you're essentially saying is that SE should create different quality versions of the same graphics so players with the appropriate specs can enjoy greater graphics quality in the game. I'll see you in 2015, then.

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Originally Posted by Naraku_Diabolos

http://kotaku.com/5961994/what-skyri...0-mods-at-once

Honestly, I think that when and if the development team gets around to a DirectX 11 (11.1) patch in the future, ARR will possibly look just as good. I believe so, but jeebus, look at the grass on that Skyrim with 100 mods. Could ARR look like that in the future? O_O

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http://i.imgur.com/XjThP.jpg

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Originally Posted by Stanislaw

Best looking does not necessarily mean it has to have the best graphics in all categories. We already all know that the renders are of lower quality in ARR compared to legacy, but the lighting/shadows more than makes up for it to make it a much better looking game graphically speaking.

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No, but when you are going for a high fantasy realism and a lot of your flora looks like paper origami.. it might be good to make another model. (WoW does it too - and I get why of course, more players that can play).

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Originally Posted by Stanislaw

So what you're essentially saying is that SE should create different quality versions of the same graphics so players with the appropriate specs can enjoy greater graphics quality in the game. I'll see you in 2015, then.

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For pieces of content that you cant really scale (because its 2d) then at some later make another one. Skyrim's grass isnt just in Skyrim there many games that have that kind of grass - its not some technical rare piece of model work.

Even Dark Souls that ran on the ps3 has a similar type of grass (though their tree leaves are super 2d lol).

Anyway like I said previously when they get time they should consider it.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I'm not sure I agree with the point :P

SE claims to have the best looking MMO. Dont half ass the best looking lol

Make a sucky grass model for eh computers but there are a lot of computers out there that can handle much more then what even SE handed out in FFXIV 1.0.

Things like flora decals and density are often sliders in games - I see no reason why they cant do that now

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I will mention that when I had my old laptop with the GeForce 9600M GT, the foliage really caused my game to lag like crazy. Especially outside of Limsa Lominsa; my game ran incredibly slow, even though the foliage was very low-resolution. My God it was like utter hell there. Even my desktop at the time could not process the game, and it had a GeForce 260 GTX along with a good 1st gen I7 that is high-spec and 8GB of RAM. Though everyone knows that the graphics engine for 1.0 wasn't utilized the right way, so we can all agree on that :)

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Originally Posted by Shougun

No, but when you are going for a high fantasy realism and a lot of your flora looks like paper origami.. it might be good to make another model.

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Sorry, couldn't help but point out that oxymoron because I thought it was just too funny.

The grass looks like paper origami because it's fantasy, man! /sarcasm

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Anyway like I said previously when they get time they should consider it.

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In the end this is what it boils down to. Given the amount of time they had to work on the game, though, I'm content with what they have.

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Originally Posted by Stanislaw

Sorry, couldn't help but point out that oxymoron because I thought it was just too funny.

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You can laugh all you want but there is such a thing.

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Originally Posted by Stanislaw

In the end this is what it boils down to. Given the amount of time they had to work on the game, though, I'm content with what they have.

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Given the total time I think its silly, but I understand 2.0 has started in an extremely short amount of time. Hence why I said if it must add it later, but it will be good for graphic longevity.

Either SE gets grass to look like that on low settings or I won't play XIV ever again.

Show me an MMO that doesn't run slow as hell AND has grass like that, and I'll care about how the grass looks in ARR.

omg can we get off the grass thread plz. graphics of that caliber in 2.0 will lag u so bad it wil be 1.0 all over again. imo i would not like to have that much of grass enhancement now or later. i want more content more than anything as long as the graphics can be handled without me lagging then i can live with 2.0 grass graphics.

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Originally Posted by Naraku_Diabolos

http://kotaku.com/5961994/what-skyri...0-mods-at-once

Honestly, I think that when and if the development team gets around to a DirectX 11 (11.1) patch in the future, ARR will possibly look just as good. I believe so, but jeebus, look at the grass on that Skyrim with 100 mods. Could ARR look like that in the future? O_O

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It's just GRASS! Honestly, how dull is your life if you are looking for the best simulated grass?!? No one really cares about how things like grass look. Move on. Please.

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Originally Posted by Laraul

It's just GRASS! Honestly, how dull is your life if you are looking for the best simulated grass?!? No one really cares about how things like grass look. Move on. Please.

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The whole screenshot looked great, albeit a shit ton of grass was in the screen and it looked awesome as well lol.

Also, I care how my environments look - dont want to delay the game but I would like to see the quicker modifications taken care of in a graphic update. The extreme patch or something lol w/ relase of dx updates, could try and see if Microsoft would pay for some of the dev. if SE made a DX9 vs DX11 video.. Microsoft loves crazy changes .. lol

I would be one of the first to hate on the crappy ass grass in ARR (just like the crappy ass animation) but PC screenshots always depend on specs and in this case a billion mods made by people who aren't even involved in development.

If you're gonna compare, in this case we should compare console versions. And Skyrim looks like greased vomit on consoles.

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Originally Posted by Naraku_Diabolos

http://kotaku.com/5961994/what-skyri...0-mods-at-once

Honestly, I think that when and if the development team gets around to a DirectX 11 (11.1) patch in the future, ARR will possibly look just as good. I believe so, but jeebus, look at the grass on that Skyrim with 100 mods. Could ARR look like that in the future? O_O

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I'm sure we have DX11 but we wont have DX11.1 seeing how that really just for 3D and does not add much to games. But i don't think you every get to see FFXIV looking like that for one reason and one reason only this is a MMO and a hell of a beast computer something maybe 2-3 top of the line video card and liquid nitrogen cooling to make sure that bad boy does not overheat lol a mmo is way diff then a one player game sadly :(

http://images.wikia.com/masseffect/i...et-anymore.jpg

This would be impressive if you didn't need mods to make Skyrim look like...anything pleasant to the eyes.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

This would be impressive if you didn't need mods to make Skyrim look like...anything pleasant to the eyes.

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Quarter of them are Lydia mods I bet. She is sworn to carry our burdens.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Quarter of them are Lydia mods I bet. She is sworn to carry our burdens.

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That was my first thought too lol.

Skyrim is also not an MMO that needs to serve several hundred to several thousand connections per world simultaneously.

guess im the only one that found skyrim totaly boring :D

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Skyrim is also not an MMO that needs to serve several hundred to several thousand connections per world simultaneously.

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World detail isn't the servers job. Thankfully. Which is one of the main argument elements of "why did SE removed immersive animations" - rather just make them an option lol.

Though for your PC it is something extra your computer needs to think about (talking to the server). The distance and or the density of the grass screenshots is a bit insane but you could get similar on moderate pcs (cut the grass range by half I'd say).

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Originally Posted by myerg

guess im the only one that found skyrim totaly boring :D

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There are mods for everything.. :P. Though setting up the mods can take a few hours lest you turn up with a shit ton of collisions and bugs.

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

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You mean per minute :D

Well if you watch the luminous tech demo of future ff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmaotBON9NM
they say it has the power of ps5, but only the best of the best computers will be able to handle anything close to what it could be.
So I believe we got a long time before we see something like those graphics in an mmorpg.
Also Yoshi P said there will be future upgrades in the graphics that direct x is their next big milestone.